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#609 Bug with MOPAC orbital visualization for gold atoms

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2024-03-21
2019-12-03
John
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I think I found a bug in visualizing s and p orbitals for gold atoms that are generated by the MOPAC program (.mgf files). I've attached the file for a single gold atom as an example. As far as I can tell, d orbitals show fine. but p and s orbitals don't show.

The issues seems to be unique to gold. If you change gold to silver (i.e. 79 --> 47), the orbitals display properly.

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  • Bob Hanson

    Bob Hanson - 2019-12-04

    the cutoff needs to be smaller for those very tight S and P orbitals.

    Try

    mo cutoff 0.005

    On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 1:58 PM John jmhimara@users.sourceforge.net wrote:


    Status: open
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    Labels: orbitals mopac gold
    Created: Tue Dec 03, 2019 09:58 PM UTC by John
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    I think I found a bug in visualizing s and p orbitals for gold atoms that
    are generated by the MOPAC program (.mgf files). I've attached the file for
    a single gold atom as an example. As far as I can tell, d orbitals show
    fine. but p and s orbitals don't show.

    The issues seems to be unique to gold. If you change gold to silver (i.e.
    79 --> 47), the orbitals display properly.


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  • John

    John - 2019-12-04

    Hmm, that's interesting. Normally I get an error from MOPAC telling me

    mo 6 invalid! (no atoms selected?)

    But it's fixed ince I decrease the cutoff, as you suggest. Why is that not an issue if I change the gold atom to a silver one (same exact file, just manually changing the gold atoms to silver ones in the file)? The orbitals display fine in that one. Does the orbital plotting of Jmol take into account WdW radii ?

    Unfortunately, decreasing the cuttoff is not ideal, because that messes up the rest of the orbital. I'm looking at gold clusters where the HOMOs are a linear combination of s, p, and d orbitals. If I decrease the cuttoff, the d portion becomes too diffuse and cover up the core portion which are dominated by s and p orbitals. Nevertheless I'll mess with the options to see if I can get an optimal view.

     
    • Bob Hanson

      Bob Hanson - 2019-12-06

      You can't just change the atomic number in a MOPAC calculation result. All
      the numbers you see there are calculated for a specific element. (Remember,
      MOPAC is an empirical calculation.) This is the MOPAC calculation for
      gold, not silver. If you want the calculation for gold, run that in MOPAC.

       
      • Bob Hanson

        Bob Hanson - 2019-12-06

        [this is the MOPAC calculation result for silver not gold, that is]

        On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 4:20 PM Robert Hanson hansonr@stolaf.edu wrote:

        You can't just change the atomic number in a MOPAC calculation result. All
        the numbers you see there are calculated for a specific element. (Remember,
        MOPAC is an empirical calculation.) This is the MOPAC calculation for
        gold, not silver. If you want the calculation for gold, run that in MOPAC.

        --
        Robert M. Hanson
        Professor of Chemistry
        St. Olaf College
        Northfield, MN
        http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr

        If nature does not answer first what we want,
        it is better to take what answer we get.

        -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900

         
        • John

          John - 2019-12-06

          Sorry, you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about changing anything in MOPAC. Rather, I was refering to changing the atoms in the output file (the .mgf file) after the calculation. I can edit the file manually after the calculation is done -- I leave everything else as is and only change the atomic numbers from gold to silver. As far as I can tell, that tricks Jmol into thinking they are silver atoms, whereas the underlying MOPAC calculation is done with gold.

          If I do that, then I have no trouble visualizing the orbitals at the default cutoff value.

           
          • Bob Hanson

            Bob Hanson - 2019-12-06

            It seems to be the other way around. The numbers in the file are for
            silver, not gold.

            On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 7:04 PM John jmhimara@users.sourceforge.net wrote:

            Sorry, you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about changing anything in
            MOPAC. Rather, I was refering to changing the atoms in the output file (the
            .mgf file) after the calculation. I can edit the file manually after the
            calculation is done -- I leave everything else as is and only change the
            atomic numbers from gold to silver. As far as I can tell, that tricks Jmol
            into thinking they are silver atoms, whereas the underlying MOPAC
            calculation is done with gold.

            If I do that, then I have no trouble visualizing the orbitals at the
            default cutoff value.


            Status: open
            Group: v14
            Labels: orbitals mopac gold
            Created: Tue Dec 03, 2019 09:58 PM UTC by John
            Last Updated: Wed Dec 04, 2019 05:27 AM UTC
            Owner: nobody
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            I think I found a bug in visualizing s and p orbitals for gold atoms that
            are generated by the MOPAC program (.mgf files). I've attached the file for
            a single gold atom as an example. As far as I can tell, d orbitals show
            fine. but p and s orbitals don't show.

            The issues seems to be unique to gold. If you change gold to silver (i.e.
            79 --> 47), the orbitals display properly.


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            Robert M. Hanson
            Professor of Chemistry
            St. Olaf College
            Northfield, MN
            http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr

            If nature does not answer first what we want,
            it is better to take what answer we get.

            -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900

             

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            • Bob Hanson

              Bob Hanson - 2019-12-06

              (send me the file for silver, perhaps, if that is not the case)

               
  • John

    John - 2019-12-06

    Oh I see. I think I have uploaded the wrong file (I did single calculation with silver for testing purposes), but otherwise what I said holds true. I'll upload the correct file as an example.

    Sorry about that.

     
  • Bob Hanson

    Bob Hanson - 2024-03-21

    revitalizing this, as the bug in Jmol has been found, and an issue with MOPAC's Slater normalization is being addressed.

     

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