WO2008059105A1 - Method in connection with a fibre-web machine winder - Google Patents
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- WO2008059105A1 WO2008059105A1 PCT/FI2007/050595 FI2007050595W WO2008059105A1 WO 2008059105 A1 WO2008059105 A1 WO 2008059105A1 FI 2007050595 W FI2007050595 W FI 2007050595W WO 2008059105 A1 WO2008059105 A1 WO 2008059105A1
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- B—PERFORMING OPERATIONS; TRANSPORTING
- B65—CONVEYING; PACKING; STORING; HANDLING THIN OR FILAMENTARY MATERIAL
- B65H—HANDLING THIN OR FILAMENTARY MATERIAL, e.g. SHEETS, WEBS, CABLES
- B65H26/00—Warning or safety devices, e.g. automatic fault detectors, stop-motions, for web-advancing mechanisms
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- B—PERFORMING OPERATIONS; TRANSPORTING
- B65—CONVEYING; PACKING; STORING; HANDLING THIN OR FILAMENTARY MATERIAL
- B65H—HANDLING THIN OR FILAMENTARY MATERIAL, e.g. SHEETS, WEBS, CABLES
- B65H2404/00—Parts for transporting or guiding the handled material
- B65H2404/40—Shafts, cylinders, drums, spindles
- B65H2404/43—Rider roll construction
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- B—PERFORMING OPERATIONS; TRANSPORTING
- B65—CONVEYING; PACKING; STORING; HANDLING THIN OR FILAMENTARY MATERIAL
- B65H—HANDLING THIN OR FILAMENTARY MATERIAL, e.g. SHEETS, WEBS, CABLES
- B65H2557/00—Means for control not provided for in groups B65H2551/00 - B65H2555/00
- B65H2557/50—Use of particular electromagnetic waves, e.g. light, radiowaves or microwaves
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- the invention relates to a method in connection with a winder of a fibre-web machine according to the preamble of claim 1.
- windups used in connection with fibre-web machines, such as paper and board machines, a fibre web being manufactured by which fi- bre-web machines, such as a paper machine/board machine, is wound as a full- width web into machine rolls for further processing.
- the web is wound around a winding shaft e.g. a spool iron/roll either by means of surface draw in a winding nip between a winding drum and a web roll being formed or by utilising a centre drive, whereby also the winding shaft is provided with a drive.
- a winding shaft e.g. a spool iron/roll either by means of surface draw in a winding nip between a winding drum and a web roll being formed or by utilising a centre drive, whereby also the winding shaft is provided with a drive.
- unwinders In connection with fibre-web machines, such as paper and board machines, are also used unwinders by means of which the web roll wound by the windup is unwound in a
- the machine roll of the fibre-web machine is aimed to be structured by means of the winding parameters of the windup so that the roll endures braking, accelerating, short-term storage and so that the roll will unwind in the next process stage easily and accurately.
- the final structure of the roll is not formed until unwinding, because defects can be created in the roll in all preceding process stages.
- forming the structure of the roll as tight enough for further processing has been aided by adjusting winding parameters, such as nip force, peripherical force and web tightness.
- the quality and structure of the roll have been observed e.g. by gauges exploring hardness on the surface of the roll into the roll and/or by manually exploring the surface of the roll for detecting possible winding defects.
- FI patent specification 105803 describes a method in continuous unwinding of a paper web in which the shape of the outer surface of the paper roll being unwound is measured with the aim of detecting defects possibly occurring in the paper roll.
- the object of the invention is to eliminate or at least minimise the disadvantages and problems of the above-described arrangements according to prior art.
- An object of the invention is to create a measuring and control system of winding quality applicable in connection with a fibre-web winder, a wind-up or an unwinder, by means of which the inner quality and structure of the machine roll can be defined and controlled.
- a more particular object of the invention is to eliminate problems related to the possible breaking risk of the machine roll.
- a pulse-like winding defect is a single winding defect which can be observed on the periphery of the roll as a sudden change in the machine direction at most in one cycle i.e. it can be observed pulse-like when the roll rotates a whole cycle.
- the measurement is implemented so that a measuring sensor/sensors or equivalents is/are located onto the surface of a roll or equivalent forming a nip with the roll being wound.
- a roll can be a winding shaft, a carrier roll, a pressure roll or a separate roll arranged in nip contact with the roll being wound.
- the roll profile and advantageously the nip force profile are measured by an advantageously spiral-like sensor formed of pressure- sensitive foil or by more sensors, at least two, advantageously four sensors located on the surface of a roll or equivalent forming a nip with the roll being wound.
- the measuring foil can be positioned straight i.e.
- the above-described advantageous embodiment of the invention is advantageously used in such winding which utilises a pressure-sensitive foil, a so-called EMFi foil, in measuring the nip load, by means of which measuring foil the nip load and the cross profile of nip force can be measured easily and accurately. It is also possible to identify winding defects in the measurement signal of such a foil measuring application by providing, if required, the measuring device with additional sensors or suitable electronics. It is also possible to form a machine roll defect diagram of the measuring results for preventing defects already in the winding-up stage.
- a pressure-sensitive foil sensor is located on the surface of a roll in nip contact with the roll being unwound, whereby the winding defects created in the roll in connection with winding-up and furthermore based on the measurement signal are identified crepe wrinkles and equivalent defects created of internal stresses of the roll during winding-up or unwinding which can be eliminated e.g. by an intermediate winder so that the structure of the roll is changed in the winding-up of the intermediate winder e.g. by winding the bottom of the roll tighter.
- the defect definition based on a pressure-sensitive foil sensor is applicable in connection with wind- ups, partial web winders and unwinders.
- the inven- tion can be applied in the prevention of the burst of the roll and in the identification of a break point caused by a crepe wrinkle in connection with unwinders and windups.
- partial web winders With partial web winders, the above-mentioned factors are detected by means of the invention.
- the invention is also applicable in connection with coating or an unwinder of a calender, whereby into connection with the unwinder in a suitable position e.g.
- a roll provided with a pressure-sensitive foil sensor which can also operate as the tail catcher in break situations.
- a pressure-sensitive foil sensor which can also operate as the tail catcher in break situations.
- the measuring sensors can be located either locally in desired measuring points or scanning measurement can be used in a desired area.
- the processing of measuring data and the identification of possible winding defects take place either directly observing the measurement signal or by forming a spectre of the measurement signal.
- the direct measurement signal observation is based on identifying the signal form given by the winding defect and on the continuous comparison of the measured signal with the known signal. In the examination of the spectre, the measuring data of several winding cycles are processed.
- the possible breaking risk of the roll is aimed to be identified in an as-early-as-possible stage in order to be able to interrupt the process before the breaking of the machine roll surface.
- it is possible to minimise the safety risk and the damages or even eliminate them.
- it is possible e.g. to decrease run speed, to cut the web or to perform an emergency stop.
- a measuring method based on microwave, infrared or equivalent radiation in the winding, in both winding-up and unwinding, for measuring the surface of the machine roll and below the surface.
- the measurement extends from the surface of the machine roll to a depth in which single web layers change into a roll, advantageously to the depth of about 10-50 mm.
- the measuring depth is defined so that, if required, there is time to perform a flying jointing or a diameter change, i.e. from one second to a couple of minutes.
- the measurement signal is integrated into a data proc- essing device so that in winding-up is provided a continuous measurement signal from the structure of the machine roll winding-up, of winding quality from the bottom to the surface of the roll.
- the measurement measures the effect of winding parameters in winding-up and in unwinding is performed a similar measurement in the opposite direction, whereby the measurement also shows the change of the winding structure created by the weight of the web wound inside the machine roll and the deflection of the winding shaft and possible winding defects.
- the measurement data of winding-up and unwinding is combined so that the corresponding point in the roll comes to the same point in the curve, whereby are obtained the roll structure adjusted with the winding parameters of the winding-up into its own curve and the corresponding machine roll structure realised in unwinding and pos- sible winding defects into their own curve.
- the measurement compares the measuring results of winding-up and unwinding and aims to provide a correlation between them, whereby in the adjusting system of winding-up can be predicted the structure of the completed machine roll, e.g. define the winding tightness of the roll bottom so that bottom defects are eliminated and the bottom den- sity is suitable.
- the control system of winding quality can be an expert system, a neural network or fuzzy logic.
- An intelligent system learns the correlation between the quality measurer of winding-up and the changes and possible defects occurring in unwinding, whereby it is possible to optimise the winding parameters of the windup so that the machine roll remains good in unwinding.
- the arrange- ment according to this embodiment of the invention can be applied in both the winding-up and unwinding of machine rolls and in the unwinding and winding-up of slitter-winders.
- Fig. 1 schematically shows an embodiment of the invention in which, in connection with winding-up, winding defects are identified from the measurement signal of a pressure-sensitive foil sensor.
- Fig. 2 schematically shows an embodiment of the invention in connection with an unwinder provided with a nip.
- Fig. 3 schematically shows a measuring arrangement applicable in connection with the invention.
- Fig. 4 schematically shows an example result of a measurement which aims to predict the burst of a machine roll.
- Fig. 5 schematically shows an example result of the integral of the continuous quality measurement of a machine roll.
- Fig. 1 schematically shows a windup 10 by which a fibre web W is wound into a machine roll 1 1 by means of a winding nip N between a winding drum 12 and the machine roll 11 being formed.
- a pressure-sensitive foil sensor 13 e.g. an EMFI sensor, which measures the cross profile of the nip force. From the measurement signal, it is also possible to identify winding defects, e.g. a change of the measurement signal caused by a possible fold V occurring in the web W or an air bag wrinkle IPR caused by an air bag IP in the winding nip formed in the travel of the web W before the winding nip N.
- Fig. 2 schematically shows an unwinder 20 in which a fibre web W is unwound from a machine roll 21 in which the web is wound around a winding shaft 22 or equivalent winding core.
- a nip roll 23 which is in contact with the machine roll 21 during the unwinding.
- the winding shaft transfers as shown by arrow S so that the contact remains.
- the nip roll 23 is transferred so that the contact remains during the unwinding.
- the fibre web W being unwound is guided to a first lead roll 24 and further to further processing e.g. onto slitter-winders 30.
- a measuring sensor 25 based on a pressure-sensitive foil is fastened on the surface of the nip roll 23 and, based on the measurement signal given by the sensor 25, it is possible to define possible winding defects and crepe wrinkles etc. possibly created from the inner stresses of the roll in winding-up and in unwinding.
- a measuring system 40 comprises the measuring sensor/sensors 13; 25 arranged into connection with the machine roll 11; 21, e.g. a pressure-sensitive foil sensor, a microwave sensor, an infrared sensor etc., by means of which the surface of the machine roll 11; 21 is measured during winding, winding-up and/or unwinding, and, if desired, a little below the surface, e.g. from the depth of 10-50 mm below the surface.
- Measuring results are transferred to a computer 41 by means of which the measuring results are analysed, after which, when required, information is conveyed to the winding control system for performing required correction measures, stopping etc.
- the control system of winding quality can be an expert system, a neural network or fuzzy logic.
- An intelligent system learns the correlation between the quality measurer of winding-up and the changes and possible defects occurring in unwinding, whereby it is possible to optimise the winding parameters of the windup so that the machine roll remains good in unwinding.
- the processing of measuring data and the identifi- cation of possible winding defects take place either directly observing the measurement signal or by forming a spectre of the measurement signal.
- the direct measurement signal observation is based on identifying the signal form given by the winding defect and on the continuous comparison of the measured signal with the known signal.
- the measuring data of several winding cycles are processed.
- the possible breaking risk of the roll is aimed to be identified in an as-early-as-possible stage in order to be able to interrupt the proc- ess before the breaking of the machine roll surface.
- Fig. 5 describes an analysing result obtained in the system according to Fig. 3 in which result the measurement signal is integrated into the data processing device so that in winding is provided a continuous measurement signal from the machine roll being wound.
- An upper curve 51 depicts unwinding and a lower curve 52 winding-up.
- On the vertical Y axis is marked a bottom broke limit 53 on the unwinder and a bottom broke limit on the windup 54.
- the horizontal X axis describes the diameter of the roll.
- the measurement measures the effect of winding parameters in winding-up, whereby is obtained a measuring result on the structure of the machine roll, of the winding quality from the bottom to the surface of the roll.
- the measurement compares the measuring results of winding-up and unwinding and aims to provide a correlation between them, whereby in the adjusting system of winding-up can be predicted the structure of the completed machine roll, e.g. define the winding tightness of the roll bottom so that bottom defects are eliminated and the bottom density is suitable.
- the invention was described above only referring to some of its advantageous embodiments, to the details of which the invention is, however, by no means intended to be narrowly confined.
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| DE112007002607T DE112007002607T5 (en) | 2006-11-13 | 2007-11-06 | Method in connection with a fiber web machine winder |
| AT0946007A AT507933B1 (en) | 2006-11-13 | 2007-11-06 | METHOD RELATED TO A FIBERBOX MACHINE WINDLER |
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| FI20065716 | 2006-11-13 | ||
| FI20065716A FI119980B (en) | 2006-11-13 | 2006-11-13 | Procedure in connection with a wheelchair in a fiber web machine |
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| WO (1) | WO2008059105A1 (en) |
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| US12529189B2 (en) | 2019-02-25 | 2026-01-20 | Siemens Energy Global GmbH & Co. KG | Method and device for detecting a web break of a fibrous web, industrial plant and computer program product |
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| US3602448A (en) * | 1970-02-03 | 1971-08-31 | Alcan Res & Dev | Web-winding apparatus |
| US4391417A (en) * | 1980-04-10 | 1983-07-05 | Davy-Loewy Limited | Uncoiler for metallic strip material |
| WO2000061482A1 (en) * | 1999-03-30 | 2000-10-19 | Metso Paper, Inc. | Method and device in continuously operated unwinding of a paper reel |
| WO2005097646A1 (en) * | 2004-04-07 | 2005-10-20 | Metso Paper, Inc. | Method and apparatus for reeling control |
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| US3602448A (en) * | 1970-02-03 | 1971-08-31 | Alcan Res & Dev | Web-winding apparatus |
| US4391417A (en) * | 1980-04-10 | 1983-07-05 | Davy-Loewy Limited | Uncoiler for metallic strip material |
| WO2000061482A1 (en) * | 1999-03-30 | 2000-10-19 | Metso Paper, Inc. | Method and device in continuously operated unwinding of a paper reel |
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| CN113490893A (en) * | 2019-02-25 | 2021-10-08 | 西门子股份公司 | Method and device for determining or predicting the position of a tear in a web, computer program and industrial installation |
| CN113490893B (en) * | 2019-02-25 | 2024-05-14 | 西门子股份公司 | Method and device for determining or predicting the position of a web tear, computer program and industrial installation |
| US12085927B2 (en) | 2019-02-25 | 2024-09-10 | Siemens Aktiengesellschaft | Computer program product, industrial installation, method and apparatus for determining or predicting a position of a web break |
| US12529189B2 (en) | 2019-02-25 | 2026-01-20 | Siemens Energy Global GmbH & Co. KG | Method and device for detecting a web break of a fibrous web, industrial plant and computer program product |
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