DE102008006223A1 - Voltage detecting device for use in high volt system of e.g. hybrid vehicle, has matrix-shaped electrical display unit provided for two-dimensional representation of voltages and reference voltage - Google Patents
Voltage detecting device for use in high volt system of e.g. hybrid vehicle, has matrix-shaped electrical display unit provided for two-dimensional representation of voltages and reference voltage Download PDFInfo
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Die Erfindung betrifft eine Vorrichtung und ein Verfahren zur Erfassung einer Spannung zwischen zwei Messpunkten in einem elektrischen System.The The invention relates to an apparatus and a method for detection a voltage between two measuring points in an electrical system.
Insbesondere bei elektrischen Systemen, deren Komponenten mit lebensgefährlichen Spannungen betrieben werden, ist es zu gewissen Zeitpunkten notwendig, zweifelsfrei die Spannungslage festzustellen. Ein Beispiel für solche elektrische Systeme sind Kraftfahrzeuge mit alternativen Antriebssträngen wie beispielsweise Hybridfahrzeuge, Elektrofahrzeuge oder Brennstofffahrzeuge. Diese weisen häufig Komponenten auf, die mit über 60 V Gleichspannung betrieben werden. Soll nun beispielsweise nach einem Unfall das Kraftfahrzeug bewegt werden oder Komponenten des Hochvoltsystems (> 60 V) in einer Werkstatt ausgetauscht werden, so muss die Spannungslage einfach und sicher ermittelt werden können. Bekannte Methoden zum Ermitteln des Spannungswertes sind das Nachmessen oder die Anzeige eines verbauten, einfachen Messgerätes (z. B. Voltmeter, Drehspulmesswerk), welches die Spannung selbstständig misst. Der erste Fall erfordert geschultes Personal in den Werkstätten. Im zweiten Fall ist nicht sichergestellt, dass die Anzeige sicher funktioniert.Especially in electrical systems whose components are life-threatening Voltages are required, it is necessary at certain times, unambiguously determine the voltage level. An example of such Electrical systems are motor vehicles with alternative powertrains such as For example, hybrid vehicles, electric vehicles or fuel vehicles. These are common Components on with over 60 V DC can be operated. Now, for example, after an accident the motor vehicle be moved or components of High-voltage system (> 60 V) are exchanged in a workshop, so must the voltage can be determined easily and safely. Known methods for determining the voltage value is the remeasurement or the display of a built-in, simple measuring device (eg voltmeter, moving coil meter), which measures the voltage independently. The first case requires trained personnel in the workshops. in the second case is not sure that the ad is working safely.
Prinzipiell könnte mit denen im Fahrzeug verbauten Steuergeräten über eine Diagnosesession eine Plausibilisierung der jeweils getrennt gemessenen Spannungen erfolgen. Allerdings funktioniert der Diagnosetester nur bei Zündung-Ein. Der Kraftfahrzeug-Mechaniker nimmt jedoch Arbeiten am Fahrzeug nur bei ausgeschalteter Zündung vor, so dass nicht sichergestellt ist, dass bei Zündung-Aus nicht doch Schütze angesteuert wurden oder sich im ausgeschalteten Zustand die Spannung verändert hat.in principle could with those installed in the vehicle control units via a diagnostic session a Plausibilisierung carried out separately measured voltages. However, the diagnostic tester only works with ignition-on. The motor vehicle mechanic however, only works on the vehicle when the ignition is switched off, so that it is not certain that when ignition-off but not activated contactors or the voltage has changed when switched off.
Der Erfindung liegt das technische Problem zugrunde, eine Vorrichtung und ein Verfahren zur Erfassung einer Spannung zwischen zwei Messpunkten in einem elektrischen System zu schaffen, mittels derer die Spannungslage einfach und eigensicher dargestellt werden kann.Of the Invention is the technical problem underlying a device and a method for detecting a voltage between two measuring points in an electrical system, by means of which the voltage level can be displayed easily and intrinsically safe.
Die Lösung des technischen Problems ergibt sich durch die Gegenstände mit den Merkmalen der Ansprüche 1 und 10. Weiter vorteilhafte Ausgestaltungen der Erfindung ergeben sich aus den Unteransprüchen.The solution the technical problem arises from the objects with the features of the claims 1 and 10. Further advantageous embodiments of the invention result from the dependent claims.
Hierzu umfasst die Vorrichtung zur Erfassung einer Spannung zwischen zwei Messpunkten in einem elektrischen System eine Referenzspannung und eine Einrichtung zur zweidimensionalen Darstellung der Spannung und der Referenzspannung. Hierdurch wird erreicht, dass bei Vorhandensein einer Spannung Rückschlüsse auf die Funktionsfähigkeit der Vorrichtung möglich sind. Des Weiteren kann über die Relation der Spannung zur bekannten Referenzspannung die angezeigte Spannung plausibilisiert werden.For this includes the device for detecting a voltage between two Measuring points in an electrical system, a reference voltage and a device for two-dimensional representation of the voltage and the reference voltage. This ensures that in the presence a voltage conclusions the functioning of the Device possible are. Furthermore, over the relation of the voltage to the known reference voltage the indicated Voltage be made plausible.
In einer bevorzugten Ausführungsform wird die Referenzspannung aus der zu messenden Spannung abgeleitet, was weiter vorzugsweise durch Spannungsteiler, insbesondere ohmsche Spannungsteiler erfolgt. In diesem Fall ist zwar die Absolutgröße der Referenzspannung nicht bekannt, aber deren Relation zur Spannung. Geht diese Relation bei der Darstellung verloren, so liegt ein Fehler vor.In a preferred embodiment the reference voltage is derived from the voltage to be measured, which further preferably by voltage divider, in particular ohmic Voltage divider is done. In this case, although the absolute size of the reference voltage not known, but their relation to tension. If this relation is included lost presentation, so there is a mistake.
In einer alternativen Ausführungsform wird als Referenzspannung eine unabhängige Spannung gewählt, beispielsweise die 12 V-Bordnetzspannung in einem Kraftfahrzeug. Weisen dann die zu messende Spannung und die Referenzspannung unterschiedliche Bezugspotentiale auf, so werden diese vorzugsweise durch einen ohmschen Widerstand miteinander verbunden. Dieser ohmsche Widerstand ist sehr hochohmig, beispielsweise im MΩ-Bereich, um die Ströme gering zu halten.In an alternative embodiment is selected as a reference voltage, an independent voltage, for example the 12 V vehicle electrical system voltage in a motor vehicle. Then assign the to be measured voltage and the reference voltage different reference potentials These are preferably joined together by an ohmic resistor connected. This ohmic resistance is very high, for example in the MΩ range, um the streams to keep low.
In einer weiteren bevorzugten Ausführungsform ist die Einrichtung zur zweidimensionalen Darstellung als matrixförmige elektrische Anzeigeeinrichtung ausgebildet, wobei dabei unterschiedlichste Technologien zur Anwendung kommen können, beispielsweise LED-, LCD-, OLED-, FED-, SED-, oder TFT-Displays. Hierzu werden die Spannung und die Referenzspannung durch weitere Spannungsteiler in den zulässigen Spannungsbereich des Displays heruntergeteilt und angezeigt.In a further preferred embodiment is the device for two-dimensional representation as a matrix-shaped electrical Display device formed, while a variety of technologies can be used For example, LED, LCD, OLED, FED, SED, or TFT displays. For this purpose, the voltage and the reference voltage by more Voltage divider in the allowed Voltage range of the display divided down and displayed.
Alternativ zu den digitalen matrixförmigen elektrischen Anzeigeeinrichtungen sind auch analoge Darstellungen möglich. Beispielsweise kann die Ablenkung eines Öltropfens zwischen elektrischen Feldern oder die Ablenkung eines Stromes in elektrischen Röhren zur kontinuierlichen Darstellung der Spannung bzw. Referenzspannung genutzt werden.alternative to the digital matrix-shaped electrical Display devices are also analog representations possible. For example may be the distraction of an oil drop between electric fields or the deflection of a current in electric tubes for continuous display of the voltage or reference voltage be used.
In einer weiteren bevorzugten Ausführungsform ist ein Schaltelement vorgesehen, mittels derer die Einrichtung bedarfsweise zu- oder abgeschaltet werden kann. Hierdurch kann insbesondere der Ruhestrombedarf reduziert werden, insbesondere bei Ausführungsformen, wo die Referenzspannung aus der Bordnetzbatterie abgeleitet wird.In a further preferred embodiment a switching element is provided, by means of which the device can be switched on or off as needed. This can in particular the quiescent power requirement can be reduced, in particular in embodiments, where the reference voltage is derived from the onboard power supply battery.
Ein bevorzugtes Anwendungsgebiet der Erfindung ist der Einsatz in dem Hochvoltteil eines Kraftfahrzeuges. Beispielsweise kann das Hochvoltteil eine Batterie, ein Supercap oder eine Brennstoffzelle umfassen, die mit einem Elektromotor oder einem Generator oder einer umschaltbaren Elektromaschine verbunden sind.One preferred field of application of the invention is the use in the High-voltage part of a motor vehicle. For example, the high-voltage part include a battery, a supercap or a fuel cell, that with an electric motor or a generator or a switchable Electric machine are connected.
In einer weiteren bevorzugten Ausführungsform weist das elektrische System mindestens einen Schütz oder einen vergleichbaren Schalter auf, der zwischen einer Last und einer Spannungsquelle angeordnet ist, wobei die Spannung vor und/oder hinter dem Schütz gemessen wird. Vor dem Schütz bedeutet dabei, dass die Spannung an der Spannungsquelle gemessen wird. Die Spannungsquelle ist dabei beispielsweise eine Batterie, ein Supercap oder eine Brennstoffzelle. Die Last ist beispielsweise ein Elektromotor, ein Generator oder eine umschaltbare Elektromaschine.In a further preferred embodiment the electrical system has at least one contactor or a comparable switch between a load and a Voltage source is arranged, wherein the voltage before and / or behind the contactor is measured. In front of the contactor means that the voltage at the voltage source is measured becomes. The voltage source is for example a battery, a supercap or a fuel cell. The load is for example an electric motor, a generator or a switchable electric machine.
Die Erfindung wird nachfolgend anhand eines bevorzugten Ausführungsbeispiels näher erläutert. Die Fig. zeigen:The Invention will be described below with reference to a preferred embodiment explained in more detail. The Fig. Show:
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