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Re: default network management tools (was: ifupdown maintenance)

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From:  Santiago Ruano Rincón <santiagorr-AT-riseup.net>
To:  debian-devel-AT-lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: default network management tools (was: ifupdown maintenance)
Date:  Thu, 11 Jul 2024 09:16:55 -0300
Message-ID:  <Zo_NN6L_hAcSMDjL@voleno>

El 09/07/24 a las 11:45, Simon McVittie escribió:
> On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 at 10:57:39 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> >     Agreed: either it's drop-in compatible or we may as well switch the
> >     default to NM and/or systemd-networkd.
> > 
> > Well, here's a heretical thought: why don't we do that anyway, at least for new
> > installations?
> 

[snip]

> ... See my recent mail about how we should probably not be inventing
> Debian-specific container frameworks that will end up with one overworked
> maintainer being a single point of failure for the distribution, but
> replace "container framework" with "network management tool" and the
> same ideas are equally valid. Like Podman in the containers space, NM
> and systemd-networkd both have the advantage of being used outside the
> Debian bubble, sharing the responsibility for their continued existence
> among *considerably* more people.

ACK. This is a sound argument. Thanks.

 -- Santiago


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