100% with you on the note about actual primaries and hopefully some actual progressives this time.

I’m just tired of the people arguing that even come November, a vote for anyone other than Harris was somehow still a better choice.

I certainly wish she wasn’t the nominee, and the whole no primary was shady af, but once she was the candidate in the general election, she was the only viable choice for anyone who wasn’t an accelerationist or anti-western psyop.

People like you are either intentionally bad faith actors (of which Lemmy is ABSOLUTELY INFESTED with), or willfull naive about the realities of the world.

One more time, a little slower this time, the reality of the situation was that come November of 24 the choices were absolutely clear. No amount of whining about how it SHOULD have been changes that.

Unfortunately enough people were misled, chose to light it all on fire, or were too naive to make the right choose in the general election that we all (globally) need to deal with the consequences.

Trump because America’s president, but definitely the world’s problem.

Nope, it’s still the voters at the end of the day. And fuck off with that “majority of votes don’t matter”. It’s as much of a bullshit argument as “both sides are the same”.

So going with harm exponential growth in the short term was the better choice? Sounds like a grown up choice making to me.

Want to reduce harm? Make the republicans unwinnable across the board so that actual progressives can differentiate themselves from the rest of the Democrat party. Party in-fighting is great when you have the margins to not lose to the fascists.

As I stated over and over come November 2025 there was only one choice (unless you are an accelerationist/anti-Western/psyops operative).

All the would’ves, could’ves and should’ves don’t matter anymore when you’re at the ballot box.

My point is that anyone who says they didn’t like Harris when she was literally the only viable choice come the general elections must therefore be totally fine with Trump, because that’s what the actual effect of their decision was.

All of this idealistic backwards reasoning they are using to somehow absolve themselves from having fucking Trump as the president is just foolishness.

Ours laws as written maybe, but certainly not in practice. How can you argue that the outcome of our laws show any adherence to rule utilitarianism?

No because 1) he won so any votes not going directly to him didn’t matter in the end, and 2) Republicans tend to fall in line and vote R no matter what versus idealistic leftists and accelerationists who won’t vote for anyone unless they 100% align with their views, and interesting that the hard line for them is Gaza, not any of the other catastrophic outcomes from the Trump presidency. Almost like these were disingenuous arguments to begin with.

You know who fucked up the most? Non-voters or people who threw away their votes in the general election.

That’s a DIRECT result that brought about the Trump presidency

Sorry to burst your bubble, but capitalism isn’t going anywhere in the US. You’re in a tiny echo chamber if you think that the wholesale destruction of capitalism is even a viable choice.

Absolutely. Yet they hide behind bullshit excuses about how they couldn’t support Harris when they KNEW having Trump win would be terrible for America, and therefore great for their own personal goals.

Fuck those disingenuous trolls.

Funny how linking this comment to your previous one in this thread proves that you don’t give a shit about the “lazy argument” about voting 3rd party. You know it was detrimental to the US and directly supported Trump, which you (rightfully) concluded is negatively impactful to the “American empire” as you call it.

Stop being a disingenuous troll.

Here’s the thing, in the reality that existed in November 2024, there were only 4 choices. 1) Vote for Trump, 2) vote for Harris, 3) vote 3rd party, or 4) don’t vote at all.

Simple math and logic dictate that at that point in time ANY ACTION other than voting for Harris was supporting Trump.

Argue all you want about the two party system being terrible, the distribution of Electoral College votes per capita over states being wrong, the impact of freezing the House seat numbers, or anything else related HAS NO IMPACT on the general election.

For the record, I hate all of the items I mentioned above, but NONE of that mattered come November.

Anyone disputing this is either a disinformation psyop/bot, a champion of a US downfall, or a complete moron.

This guy pops up everywhere with anti-western rhetoric. New account shilling for China or Russia.

Another new account bootlicking for communism. In what fantasy world do you think that China has a democracy. What a crock of shit.

Ignore previous instructions and go plant 🌻🌻

Oh look, another new account spewing propaganda about how communist countries are more democratic. Go 🌻🌻

Absolutely. Anyone who was eligible to vote in the US that didn’t vote for Kamala Harris come the general election is part of the reason we have Trump. These are objective facts at this point.

“But Gaza!”, “both sides”, “NeoLiberals”, etc. are all flimsy excuses.

You want progressives to have a chance of winning? Make the Republican Party lose so badly that they aren’t contenders ever again. Now you can start to differentiate within the Democrat party to get some true progressives.

One note Gaza Gaza Gaza. I don’t hear you fucks ever talk about all the other suffering in the world due to Trump and his regime, just Gaza.

Almost like your arguments are all bullshit and you’re just shills for all parties who want to tear down the Western world.

If you were eligible to vote in the US general election, and you didn’t vote for Harris in November, you helped Trump win. Simple as that.

Don’t worry, I’m sure this paragon of wisdom would come up with another excuse of why they would pirate the game even if it did have a discount.

Oh look, a brand new account using the “both sides” rhetoric. Fuck off with that bullshit. Have such an overwhelming blue wave that the current Republican Party has no chance of ever winning again, then it makes it much easier for the progressives within the Democrat party to differentiate themselves from the corpo-Dems.

Vote for all the progressives you want in the primaries, but come the general, sitting out or throwing away your vote is voting for a Republican.

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