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I think piefed’s biggest proponents lie about this because it is one of the more unappealing aspects of piefed, and there isn’t really a way to sugarcoat it. Social credit score based on the votes of others is just a shitty way of running a social platform.

Humans as social creatures already have innate fear of social rejection, and Karma/Social Credit systems on platforms that punish rejection just feed that dark pattern even more aggressively. It’s really not something I would elect to use after going through Reddit’s version of Karma. Especially because Piefed’s is ever more conditional (they can blacklist communities from counting towards your score positively but you still lose score points from those communities).

It’s a score that is controlled by other people, which causes restrictions if it gets too low.

It’s moderation by popularity. I can’t and won’t support that.

Reddit Karma is not good, I don’t want a Karma system on the Fediverse. That was one of the worst things about Reddit. Karma is essentially ass-kissing points, you get them for kissing ass, and you loose them for making people butt-hurt.

I can’t support that, it creates nasty psychological patterns that make people prone to siding with popularity and not with what’s right.

Yup that’s the way to go. Actually my first client I used for Lemmy (Liftoff) made multiple accounts really easy since you could switch feeds and accounts in one click and quickly. But even if you just use multiple accounts on the web switching between tabs or using Tesseract isn’t that difficult.

Basically, when you tolerate the intolerant, tolerance dies. You need social rules to maintain the order, that means some beliefs need to be culled by kicking out or silencing those who are dangerous.

They’ll probably whine when it gets defederated due to hosting libertarian freeze peach trolls. Which often happens with no-defed instances. Either that or they’ll learn why defederation is done when they can’t keep up and they end up closing their instance down.

People on the Fediverse need to learn sooner or later that instances don’t exist for them to access the rest of the fediverse. They exist to be and host their own communities. From the first perspective defederation might seem antithetical to the purpose of an instance, but from the second perspective it isn’t.

It actually makes much more sense.

Ultimately when you criticize censorship you ultimately get a bunch of Freeze peach libertarians who want to do whatever they want and see moderation as something to fear. That’s why it’s important to be precise and not speak in broad or abstract terms when criticizing censorship.

This sucks, I hope someone forks it before it breaks. Either that or hopefully most of its nice features get ported/added to Photon. So mods don’t have to end up living without them.

Just wish that Photon had the same features as Tesseract. I do think Photon looks better but Tesseract is way more functional. It has Fediseer integration, has MBFC integration, and also has better options for user management.

Instagram and threads (and parts of the clusterfuck that is facebook) are written in python and seem to have scaled fine.

How much of them? Parts being made in python isn’t the same as your whole backend being written in 90% or nothing but python. But I guess we’ll see.

If a new python release breaks compatibility, Piefed can keep using the old version of python.

Technically yes, though I wonder how long that would last if the next jump is anything like the last. I can already imagine the people bitching about “SeCUriTy” just like many were when people talked about maintaining backwards compatibility or keeping python2 support in the days of the transition to python3.

I mean, maybe? I don’t know, I don’t live in that mirror universe where python supplanted JS. Though considering how hard the push was to abandon and burn down python2, I have a feeling even if it was a web scripting language the same push would’ve happened and it would’ve just broken a lot more stuff since you know “sECuRiTY”.

That’s nice that he did it but the fact that he gives the option to turn it off without forking isn’t good, the reason why Lemmy’s modlog is so great is because it isn’t optional, and while you could modify your own Lemmy instance to hide and disable it, you’d need to break mod action federation to completely remove it. By not being optional it is more resilient. Piefed though makes it easy for corrupt or non-accountable admins to turn it off and hide who did what and when. Just like it is on Reddit.

As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.

Maybe it seems that way since mods don’t always or often yield to pressure on YPTB, but if there wasn’t a modlog or if they could hide it and not announce actions publicly. We wouldn’t even know. People would still complain about their bans but there would be no public evidence. No one could make a critical assessment based on the public evidence it would be the banned person’s word against the mods. That’s what a life without the modlog is, that’s what it is on Reddit. I do not believe that real people want to go back to that. Server admins and mods maybe but not people.

On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed

I believe the second, third, and possibly the fourth one are coming in later Lemmy versions.

Yes that’s what I’m pointing out, it’s an anti-feature of piefed, not Lemmy.

That’s not what it says in the building healthy communities section. It said that upvotes in “low quality communities” aren’t counted but downvotes are.

I don’t really agree that it’s an attempt to centralize the fediverse but I do think that the push and praise for it feels extremely unnatural, especially how people are bragging about liking and wanting the reputational features of it, and being able to hide the modlog. Like dude those are the biggest reasons people left Reddit, and now suddenly “people” are just going gaga for those same anti-features. That seems more than fishy to me…

I think votes in general should not be private, because this is like a public plaza what you say is public, and attaching a reputation because of down votes is dangerously bullying and a slippery slope, so piefed doesn’t actually feel like my pie at the moment.

I agree with this, both of these things are bad on their own but together they are extremely bad. Like it encourages the same groupthink as there is on Reddit while also allowing easy vote manipulation to help yourself and hurt others. Really bad combination.

Don’t forget that admins can literally turn the modlog off on their instance to hide mod actions from others and who did them. How can anyone think that accountability limiting features is a good thing, especially coming from Reddit.

Yeah this is like the worst feature of Reddit taken to the extreme by the ability to filter out upvotes from communities, but still allowing downvotes from those communities to hurt your score. I can’t support a platform like that.