“Did u even say thank you, pope?” -Vance
On the matter VP Vance had this to say “I think it’s always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated, so I’m not going to do that.”
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
You must be to type of person who beleives B. HUSSEIN Obama was born in the US. /s
let’s not forget Vance already killed the last pope by extreme cringe
Someone in the meeting then reportedly mentioned the Avignon Papacy to Pierre. This refers to a 14th century attack on the Vatican by the French king, in which Pope Boniface VIII was murdered by assassins and the Vatican was forced to relocate to Avignon where it could be controlled by the French crown for the next 67 years.
Sounds like they’re threatening to do to the pope what they did to Maduro.
Kinda funny considering this pope is an American.
I’m almost surprised he’s no an expat at this point.
He literally is, what do you mean?
To add:
An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.
Pope: US Born -> Lives in Popelandia -> Expat
If I was the pope and meeting JD the couch fucker was in the agenda, I’d also decline. Considering what happened to the previous pope who met that turd with makeup.
Also, unless the meeting is on your own turf, how do you diplomatically refuse to sit on a couch that was there with JD before you got there? I don’t think pope training covers this.
Especially in the Oval Office: chances are non-zero that any seat you might take in the room has had either diaper breach, Crown Prince Couchfucker after hours, or both.
A guy who has to dress in white for the job has to think about these things, because if he sits on the wrong couch in the white robe, when he stands up again now it’s HIS story. So in the end it’s gotta be either “I’ll just stand, thanks,” or like you said, not go at all.
Couchfucker is doubly going to hell now
Nazis also had a problem with the Vatican during War World Two, What could possibly be the common reason now?
Missed opportunity for the Pope to rid us of the Antichrist
Proof that religion is a hoax. If it were real, the Pope wouldn’t be able to resist splashing Trump with Holy Water.
Same vibe as Stalins
How many divisions does the pope command?
We need some Templars.
Hegseth’s tattoos suggest he thinks of himself as a crusader.
We’re gonna get a schism and the Church of America because Trump is basically Henry VIII but somehow even more disgusting
Hate to break it to you, but we already have this. It’s known as Evangelicalism.
(And yes, I know that there are decent folks in the Evangelical world; I’ve met them. But, overall, the movement has become a cesspit of fascist-aligned nationalistic heresy that doesn’t even really seem to believe in the person at the center of Christianity. Also, the great irony of your example is that the American branch of Henry VIII’s church–the Episcopal Church–is now considered too woke to be Christian by these people.)
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Episcopals
Still, I think every schism probably had people saying “But we already have [religion]” before they went down
Whether or not there are decent evangelicals was kinda beside my point (I was just imagining historical parallels), but I agree and it’s definitely worth repeating
Every day a new low.
We won’t fully recover from this in the lifetime of anyone reading this comment. Just putting that out there. If we ever recover. The class divide is becoming so extreme the ultra wealthy are going to have power it’ll be extremely hard to claw back from them.
This is a huge story and I’m trying to find another source that also claims threats were made.
As things got heated, Colby reportedly lectured Cardinal Pierre on the military power of the U.S. and told him that the Catholic Church must pick a side, according to Hale, and mentioned the “Avignon papacy.”
All information about the meeting was obtained by Ferraresi from Vatican and U.S. officials briefed on the Pentagon meeting. What Could Such a Reference Indicate?
There is no doubt that a reference to the “Avignon papacy” by a Pentagon official was meant to make the Vatican feel uneasy about crossing the Trump administration.
Some have suggested that the reference of this chapter of medieval history might signal the Trump administration’s intention to trigger a new schism, while others think it would suggest its willingness to use military force against the Holy See. Ferraresi, however, said that interpreting it as a military threat is “just absurd.”
According to Mike Young, author of a newsletter on civic accountability, the mention of the “Avignon papacy” was a reference to “an implicit model for what happens to religious institutions that oppose state power.”
In a post on X, he wrote: “That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s a studied historical reference deployed deliberately in a room with the Pope’s senior diplomat. The message was not subtle.”
I’ve seen other references elsewhere. Any quotes on what was said seem to reference the Free Press article. But the other sources are still reporting that there was a meeting, and the Vatican didn’t like what they heard,whatever it was.
According to Vatican and U.S. officials who were briefed on the meeting and spoke to the publication, the Pentagon criticized the Pope’s statements in January, interpreting them as hostile attacks on Trump’s policies.
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A Vatican official speaking to The Free Press said the Pope has no plans to visit the U.S. while Trump is in office.
Threatening the POPE is EXACTLY what Jesus would Do!
-Republicans who want the Bible to be Law!
Unironically this. Jesus was not big on religious authorities.
He’d take one look at the Vatican and burn the whole thing down.
So I am an atheist, but the last 2 popes have been pretty nice people, right? The Vatican doesn’t seem obviously corrupt. Nothing at all like the insane blatantly abusive megachurches in the US.
Unfortunately for us, they’ve been even nicer to the pedophiles in their ranks.
Have you seen how gaudy the Vatican is? Jesus was killed right after flipping his shit because there were money changers operating in the temple.
He’d be livid to find out how the church used his sacrifice for humanity to get wealthy.
But I kinda like pretty and big churches. E.g. Sagrada Família is amazing - that was built for all of us to enjoy, not just the church narrowly.
They feel different to me than a megachurch pastor buying his second personal jet.
Most of those Republicans are some flavor of Protestant, so it tracks
When the Constitution is out of the way, Prosperity Gospel will be the official religion of the United States.
Also they think the Pope is woke
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
Jesus (as written) would likely be very upset about a church that builds enormous cathedrals, hoards gold, has a corrupt “priest class” and has at times waged war.
Another thing to know about is that most of the Supreme Court justices are Catholics
6 of the 9 justices, 5 of them chosen by Republicans. Pretty wild for a country that’s 1/5th Catholic.
Looks like seven of them grew up Catholic, and all of those but Neil Gorsuch still are. Absolutely nuts.
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
The vice president is (or claims to be) catholic.
Neat
There’s still a lot of Catholics in the movement.
The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope, they hated the last Pope as well. They would kill him themself if they could. There are exceptions but by and large the American Catholic Church leadership are Nazis.
My grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic her whole life, even getting awarded for her service to the church, said that the Pope needed to mind his own business when he was criticizing Trump wanting to build the wall in his first term.
I’m glad she died before his second term.
The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope,
Even though the current pope is literally one of them. An American Catholic.
Sure, but he’s somewhat progressive shudders
He is one of the exceptions yes. The Catholic faithful I do not think are that split for republicans, they might have a majority but it is not overwhelmingly for Republicans as I understand It.
Bullshit. You can’t compare Catholic leadership to MAGAts. They may be pretty conservative but by and large are horrified by this administration.
This is not “both conservatives are the same”
The majority of the Catholic leadership are members of the maga coalition.
Read this is Bill Donahue’s voice from the South Park Easter episode.
Ackshually, what Jesus did to the first pope was take his eyesight:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9&version=EHVThis is about Saint Paul. According to tradition, Saint Peter was the first bishop of Rome (and, thus, the first pope). Different guys. Paul was basically the first Christian theologian.