I meanā¦
To fix it we need free and available mental healthcare, a population with something they donāt want to lose, or reasonable gun laws.
None of those things have a chance of happening right now with the current government.
Even if trump passes gun control of some sort itās not going to be reasonable. And thatās the only one of the three that are plausible.
But right now no one wants trump to pass any gun laws. Even if Dems get House/Senate in midterms, trump will veto anything reasonable.
Iām skeptical of the idea that this can mostly be boiled down to mental health (or at least that mental health reform alone is a valid fix) and not social issues. Mental health is certainly a component, but if we actually listen to psychologists theyāve been saying that the massive amount of news around shootings makes further shootings more likely. Thereās also no diagnosis or mental illness attributable to the majority of mass shooters to treat to begin with.
Using the Kirk shooter as an example, according to his friends he was incredibly deep into channer-style irony poisoning. What is therapy supposed to do to fix that? You canāt therapy someone into better mental health if they donāt want it.
Not trying to jump down your throat or anything, this is just one of my regular soap boxes.
You can give the people in Gitmo 24/7 access to a psychiatrist, but theyāre still gonna be depressed because that is the logical result of their conditionā¦
I wasnāt saying:
Do any of these things and it will 100% solve it, ignore everything else
I could have specifically said that, but I figured people would be able to understand that on their own. I didnāt say today was Monday either, some things you just have to have faith in the reader
Sorry for trying to use your comment as a jumping off point and specifically saying I wasnāt trying to jump down your throat, I guess. š¤·āāļø
Imo itās part of a larger project along with criminalizing homelessness to attack people with mental illness.
If you go on reddit or other social media itās not in common to see people calling for a return to whatever to their mind imagines as old school mental institutions with forced institutionalization for anything they donāt like
The APA has repeatedly claimed that mental health is not a major factor in mass shootings.
I actually almost completely forgot that APA is an actual psychology association, not just people who decide how papers should be formatted.
I donāt think āmental healthcareā is a silver bullet (pun intended) to fix the problems. Thatās not going to fix the consolidation of power and wealth. Thatās not going to get people shorter work weeks, and more quality time with friends and family. Thatās not going to break up the media megaliths that profit from anger inducing feeds.
Health care will help, but the problem is conservatism and itās shitty brother capitalism.
The only gun control which could pass is making it impossible for LGBTQ people and Democrat voters from accessing them.
Letting the Trump administration be in charge of disarming Americans seems like a poor move for everything and everyone except the regime.
Like anyone will rise up against the fascists. Most of the gun enthusiasts are siding with them.
most of the liberal or leftist gun enthusiasts i know take great pains to not advertise anywhere that they own and use firearms.
I would bet thereās more ready to do that than you are assuming there are. Either way, if youāre an American you should be figuring out how to join that team now.
Iām not an American, luckily.
Sometimes they just announce the identity before they even know
Thatās going to be the norm for this administration. The only thing that āmattersā is the very first thing to be said. All the media blindly run with it and the Reich wing media wonāt do a correction later on if itās proven to be otherwise.
90% of the time itās maga
Closer to 97 iirc
More specifically Christian Nationalists.
Itās the same picture.
Well yeah but that one time it was a trans person, so they have to fix that problem first before they tackle the real issues.
The fuck you want me to do about it, go door to door rounding up all the guns by gunpoint? Weāre living under a dictatorship and 150 million of us are completely insane
I mean, tbh, we have over 600,000,000 guns and trillions of rounds of ammo in ~45% of the popās hands, no registry to know who/where those are, and at those numbers weāre a larger āforceā (no organization) with more guns and ammo than most of the worldās militaries combined (and larger/more than ours āalone,ā well, combined with our police actually). Sure they have the fancy toys, butā¦
Youād have to go door by door and search literally every house AND somehow make sure the people to be searched donāt stash shit before you get there with someone who has been searched, and youād have to get them all (not miss one hidden in floorboards), AND youād have to restrict home depot purchases going forward, AND somehow not get smoked by a ācold dead fingersā ass motherfucker, all so we can make sure our totally not fascist government is the only one possessing arms.
Good fucking luck. Even if someone could which is a big if, idk if they should considering that last bit.
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Thatās a big if too lol. But even then AUSā buyback only got about 700,000 firearms handed to the government, at the cost of over $700 million to taxpayers. At 600,000,000 guns, thatād be $6.E11 if ours cost the same as theirs did in '96. Something tells me we donāt have scientific notation money just laying about.
And historically in the US buyback programs only do get those shitty revolvers and Jimenez arms, at best someone prints a bunch of chairmanwons or DIAS and exploits the system.
Then weād need to define what the sensible laws are, and somehow make it so theyāre not abused, which is easier said than done.
And tbh they have good reason to be afraid of their government. Less so neighbors, but them too sometimes, shit gets violent over here, and sometimes you do need to protect yourself.
Letās not pretend it was anything different Under any other president. Yāall are just blood thirsty maniacs. Not all of you but too damn many.
The fuck you want me to do about it
Not get all mad in a meme community for one. I do agree though that it aināt your problem, so maybe you didnāt need to reply to this meme.
Heck you think Iām out here calling people out for calling British food bland. Nope just move along.
Actually, this wasnāt such a thing until the Kirk shooting and the entire right wing decided in 20 seconds flat that every Democrat murdered Charlie Kirk. So theyāll be getting a more fact based version of that for the foreseeable future. Weāre sick of taking the high road.
Nah, every school shooter have been defaulting as Muslim since forever and more recently trans, until it was found that, once again, itās a cis white boy.
Right, I definitely get that the right has always been doing this. It wasnāt so much a thing coming from the left though. We already knew the likely politics of the perpetrator. It wasnāt a big thing for us. Now though, theyāre going to get it shoved in their face every time.
The left pursues stricter gun control. Safety nets. Mental health services.
Conservatives fight to prevent those things.
You literally have two parties, one of them known for being neutral and looking for solutions, and the other known for deflecting and scapegoatingā¦ and you still have people not seeing the difference. And people think coalitional governments are good. We canāt even handle 2.
Iād argue the US does not have a leftist party. When I was young, we had a centrist party and a right party. Iāve watched in my lifetime the right decide to go further right, and the centrist party go right to chase some purported ābalanceā. (This was all Bush/Obama era, before Trump/MAGA entered the game)
We do not have a leftist party. We have the right and extreme right parties. And we only have two because of a mathematical flaw in the iterated first past the post electoral system.
And we might not even have two parties. The DNC and RNC have so many overlapping funding sources and so many behind the scenes organization that they could be seen as two divisions of the same team. Even if no explicit link can be found, despite the theater the two organizations have a healthy symbiotic relationship - each preferring the devil they know over any third party upset.
With all of the above, many intelligent people have checked out - the marginal benefit of supporting the Dās over the Rās just doesnāt justify propping up a system that is fundamentally broken at itās core.
(P. S. I personally donāt agree with that conclusion and will swallow my pride to vote for the best available candidate, but I think painting the people that donāt agree as wholesale fools is a very unhelpful way of framing things.)
The left pursues stricter gun control.
Iām not opposed to gun control but take a look at Canada at the moment, one mass shooting from an individual who did not have a license to posses or acquire firearms to begin with and the government goes and targets sport shooters and hunters who do have the appropriate licenses? Itās been 5 years and itās clear theyāre removing all semi-automatic rifles from licensed individuals private possession, calling them āassault riflesā.
If I had a conversation with the Public Safety Minister it would go a little like this; If these are Assault Rifles that belong in the military, why arenāt we suppling our troops with these rifles then, why did NATO reject sending these firearms to Ukraine, why did Bill C-17 not prevent these firearms from entering the market for the last 30 years?
The Center pursues stricter gun control. The Left isnāt opposed to gun control in theory but they encourage people to buy assault rifles and share 'Under No Pretext" memes.
(āUnder no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessaryā ā Karl Marx)
Most people in the US already know the government isnāt going to do shit about the shootings. In fact, any attempt to do so is met with hostility and constant pushback.
The culprit is American culture, and most people feed the beast that creates it. Maybe itās time to detach from Americas values and lifestyle.
As an Americanā¦
I would love to. Please get me the fuck out of here!
Honestly, with the church shooting, most of what I saw outside of here was people most doing the old arguing about less guns vs more guns and the usual pro-gun people complaining that making it āpoliticalā by talking about preventing such things is rude along. But also there is a political movement that is responsible for like 80% of such non-state violence (and also at least the one that publicly celebrates things like police and ICE violence). And I was immediately primarily interested in how the narrative about identity/motives would goā¦
Oh look, another āboth sidesā useful idiot.
Fun fact: one āsideā has no desire at all to curb gun violence in the USA. They just get upset when their stochastic terrorism backfires.
vomits guns
If the issue really is the radical left, why arenāt there also issues in leftist countries?
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donāt stop your enemy when theyāre making mistakes.
if the far right wants to cannibalize itself, they can go for it.
What about the Epstein Files though
Listen. Nobody is releasing those files ever. Either because the Republicans over played their hands and realised actually there is nothing really here.
Or itās bi-partisan and the party not in power will shout about it until they get in power and then go quiet.
I lean towards number 1, based on Occamās Razor.
Oh, we all know weāll never see any files.
Asking for the files is how people say āDonald Trump Rapes Childrenā without inviting a defamation suit, or actively promoting vigilante justice.
Then I think itās a waste of energy for so many people to be this obsessed. We should be focusing on wealth inequality in my opinion and anything not in service of that is a distraction.
Donāt get me wrong Iām not telling people what they can and cannot be mad about, more in the grand scheme of things is trivial and we donāt even know if there was anything particularly crazy in there.
For what itās worth āTrump fucks kidsā he can try sue me, but if he does Iāll hunt him down and shoot him in his face. I wonder if MI5 are reading this and will turn me in to Trump.
Edit: I love that you just get downvoted here but nobody will directly challenge your thoughts. Just downvote and move along. Really not constructive at all.
We should be focusing on wealth inequality
The guillotines will get us there.