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I have never said that making English games is wrong. You don't need to deliberately define my statement with this binary view. Language can coexist

Your statement precisely confirms my point of view, there is no need to say more

3. Very good, then at least you understand what I'm saying, and you should also understand what you're saying. You don't need to make up for your comments, as your initial remarks already implied this negative thought

4. I have never said how English games themselves are. You don't need to constantly use this binary approach to discuss the relationship between English and games with me. What I have always said is the behavior of adding a certain type of localized translation to games: some games do not consider Asian languages at all, while others intentionally avoid Chinese translation and only do Korean and Japanese translation when adding Asian languages. I can understand the former. Some people are only willing to include languages within a certain range of regions, but the latter itself is a clear form of discrimination and bias. I believe you should not be unable to see it. What I want to say is this situation of avoiding Chinese translation due to various languages. And your ideas are clearly the same as mine: any language is the same when doing localization translation. So great, the difficulty of adding any language is the same. Some people complain that Chinese translation cannot find people to help, so AI can be used to do basic work. Moreover, if they really want to find someone instead of just complaining, they can easily find real people to help

5. I know that independent development work can be tiring. What I want to say is that some people are unwilling to do it because of the workload, which is understandable, while others are simply biased and deliberately avoid it. There is no need to hide such facts. Since these people cannot eliminate their own biased thoughts, I can only tell others how to do Chinese translation more easily as a help. You can also see that some people here believe that the difficulty of Chinese translation lies not in language but in fonts or other issues. I think this is because they don't know much about Chinese translation, so I went to tell them which font packages are better, and I am also happy to help those who really want to do it but don't know how to do it. But for those who refuse to do it due to discrimination and prejudice, I naturally can't do anything, just like you said asking such questions on professional forums. In fact, I have already asked and tried to ask other similar questions, but my personal experience is that they basically don't discuss substantive difficulties with me, and the final topic always turns to various false discriminatory and biased news. The people on professional forums are just ordinary people, and they themselves contain a lot of biases that make it impossible to have normal discussions. For example, some people on the forum speak with bias, but after I correct it, they believe it is not important at all. This attitude is a contemptuous attitude that is not mentioned

6.Before some months, people who were doing Chinese translation on Steam encountered a big news story. An independent developer who was doing pixel platform jumping insisted on not using Chinese and instead mocked Chinese people who voluntarily came to help him with localization translation on his own media. He deliberately doubled the price of the Chinese section and continued to maintain his discriminatory attitude. This behavior was also supported by his fans and some independent developers like him. So I think people should not pretend that discrimination and prejudice do not exist. If you can find a cockroach in the sunshine, then in fact, cockroaches in the darkness have already piled up like mountains. Of course, the only thing I can do is to provide some translation assistance. I just want to offer some help that I can provide myself to developers who want to do it but don't know how to do it

1. China's network is not operated by just one organization. Some organizations themselves do not have good support for external regions, but people can usually successfully access it during off peak hours

2. I have tried, and I can tell you that I have indeed encountered developers who are unwilling to do translation due to discrimination. In fact, I will not discuss with you specifically what kind of discrimination it is, because I am well aware that you are likely the same type of person. We do not need to tear apart our skin, you can maintain your discriminatory part. I know I cannot convey the truth to your mind

3. I haven't changed my mind. My point of view has always been that Ith.io actively banned Chinese IPs, and Chinese network organizations themselves will regularly maintain and update them. Before 2024, people could browse Ith.io freely. Now, Ith.io has actively banned many Chinese IPs, which makes it impossible for people who can access them normally. Even my two Chinese IPs that can be accessed have been banned by Ith.io. Unfortunately, you would rather believe the website's testing than the real things that happen to real people. What reason do I have to tell you a lie? Don't tell me, I know why you think that way

4. Yes, they do. Once a language wants to be presented to the public, they will do these translations, and almost no foreigners are willing to help. Everyone uses AI to help with translation because foreigners never come here. There is another problem here: if you want to say that there are few localized languages for Chinese games, but people mostly use AI to solve them, why do Ith.io's languages rarely include Chinese? They would rather be empty than use AI to do it? On the other hand, when these types of games want to do localization translation, they basically do not consider Chinese. Whether someone wants to help or uses AI to do it in advance, only those games that have decided to add Chinese from the beginning will continue to update and those who are willing to help will also accept it. This is the difference I mentioned. I also try to help others with localization, but when they hear that the language I want to add is Chinese, they will directly reject me. But if it is Korean or Japanese from the same Asian region, they will agree to add it. You don't need to use big principles to try to cover up such problems. There are already some well-known games that are unwilling to do Chinese translation due to discrimination. I know very well why a certain game doesn't do Chinese translation. You think I want to attack all games, but in fact, I am just talking about games that are biased and deliberately not done. And I did mention the fact that there is no difficulty in doing Chinese. You can easily find real people to help you calibrate, and you can also use AI to complete basic work. Since you think this is the same as other languages, their difficulty should also be the same

you got the point, and also yeah, people dont care but people do love to believe prejudice and lies, in this regard, what you and i mentioned is actually that these people have double standards towards such things

1.Itch.io != indie game, they are not equivalent relationships, but contain relationships. Just because Ith.io is popular in your circle doesn't mean it all equals indie games, indie games are never a standalone website. Due to language limitations, your main activities are on English websites. However, this does not mean that there are only English websites in the world. If language is used as a boundary, there may even be more Chinese speakers than English speakers in the world. But would you say that the most common people in the world are Chinese? No, you only say that the most common people are the ones you have seen the most, and you think they are people from your country or neighboring countries. The standard is subjective, and you think that Ith.io is equivalent to independent games, which directly denies the efforts of all other independent game websites, including those independent developers who maintain the website

2.If you insist that the cultural characteristic of indie games is that they are in English, then what about indie games whose main language is non English? Do they not deserve to be independent games, or do they have to be in English to be independent games? I don't know if you realize that such words are very hurtful to independent developers who come from non English speaking countries, and this idea is implicit in racial discrimination thinking. you think that this culture is based on language, not on a certain spirit, not on a certain dream, not on a goal people wanna achieve

and i already got 2 IP of my self got denied, people including me around here got banned by itch.io for no reason, and if u go find, maybe u can see in 2024 to now, how many times itch.io ban chinese IP in bulk

WOW, that's the most absurd thing Ive ever heard today, you actually think that the culture of this type game development should be based on ENGLISH, wut about other languages? i got no words to talk

as a basic person, if you know wut being banned and wut ban is

1.China only ban the websites with serious potential to affect domestic security, such as overseas mobilization or collective crime, Itch.io didnt in the list cuz it just the people who in it and who manage it hate China and only just scold but not actions

2.You people are always like this. When there are biased or fundamentally incorrect lies, I just expose them, and you add that it's not important at all. But if I don't expose these lies, you will assume that what you're saying is right

3.Yes, Chinese can see Itch.io if people wanna see, Itch.io ban Chinese IP, but people can still access it by vpn, and anyone can just find a vpn to access ezly, so Yes, puting chinese language games are meaningful

4.You can try AI firstly maybe, AI can at least translate some memes, but only recommand AIs trained with many chinese datas, deepseek or kimi or DouBao, and just like wut i said before, u can ezly find a chinese if u want, go to QQ, go to BiliBili, get in a chinese server and promote your games, it is just like how u did it on Itch.io, just diff websites, and there are already some guys made it by this way, if u go to BiliBili, u will find that there are already some people promoting their games even without chinese language yet, but still people play it. you shouldnt think thats 2 diff ways, they are the same way, find chinese in BiliBili just like find eng guys in Itch.io, and use QQ like Discord. Well, if you dont wanna use both of them, u can only try to find them in Discord, and there are also many chinese use Discord, u can actually find one if u want

just let u know, there are already so many eng guys get in chinese website or communities and get so support quickly, truth is if u wanna make it, nobody can stop u, if just becuz itch.io block China so u dont make it, thats not China's problem, it didnt make anything with u, u just follow the step of Itch.io and believe wut they said "China ban Itch.io, so that's China's problem"

1.Itch.io BAN chinese IP, not China ban Itch.io

2.We even have some translation community for eng games, but these games' developers never reply them

3.If the majority of people in a community are believing in false Chinese news, and even the administrators believe that China is inherently so bad, then I don't think there's anything wrong with what I'm saying. If you think I'm just saying these things here, you can go to the central area of the Ith server to see how the administrators and community members discriminate against Chinese people and spread false news to attack Chinese people

So, YES, Itch.io ban Chinese IP cuz Itch.io hate it, and "Why would hobby developers try to cater to a market that actively blocks them?", cuz u never tried to find it out, u just stand here and said "Itch is blocked in China" things not true, let me tell u, any eng guys who actually wanna make chinese language have already made it, cuz there is no obstacles and no difficulties, u can just now immediately go to QQ and sign in and immediately found a guy who wanna be ur translator, and immediately get in one of chinese platform to sell ur game or even just go to steam and open it to China area, some one will find u to be ur translator. I hope u can firstly search these things clearly then talk, not just say some unclearly or fake things

yeah i never touch things about RenPy, when i say it, im thinking of Unity

Yes, a little, but still can, and thats ez to do if they know how to make it, there are many tutorial vids about it to tell u how to support and donate

Dont worry, i found the reason, based on the consistent racial discrimination attitudes of community administrators and many people

yep, finding a real chinese guy is 100% better than AI, and for me AI translation is better than machine translation, cuz AI translation sometimes can get chinese memes and translate it to the same meaning eng memes, but machine translation cant, it just directly translate the literally meaning lol, like it will translate "鸡同鸭讲" to "chicken talk to duck", and here is the AI translation: "talk at cross-purposes"

i think yes, localization translation is a hard work, i think this part, we can use some AI to make sure they are right, like some AI train by chinese datas, machine translation often get wrong. and as i know, some developers usually ask for help to find some chinese guy to translate, i think it's a nice voluntary work, cuz there are actually some chinese like a game and wanna translate for it, but some of them just dont know how to contact with developers, sometimes i even saw some eng developors went to QQ to ask chinese for help to tranaslate chinese lol(QQ = Chinese Discord)

12~16px is fine, for title could be 24~32px, but also there are some pixel fonts suit for small px like 12 or 16

i can recommand u some(i think they are famous): 

https://github.com/TakWolf/fusion-pixel-font, this looks already good by 10 or 12

https://unifoundry.com/unifont/index.html， this looks nice by 8 or 16px

https://github.com/SolidZORO/zpix-pixel-font by 12px

And I also noticed an interesting point: some games are willing to do localization translation for dozens of small languages, but still unwilling to do localization translation for Chinese. If it is to make games popular and make money, shouldn't we do Chinese translation and enter the Chinese market?

Modern game engines have already developed native Chinese font solutions, with no technical barriers. The Chinese pixel font you mentioned has long had mature solutions in many pixel games, such as Minecraft.

Moreover, foreign games with Simplified Chinese do not participate in domestic censorship in China. And in the situations where you mentioned being prohibited by law, the vast majority of cases of illegal bans are not rooted in Chinese translations.

And I think this is a business fact that everyone should be aware of: if you don't localize, it's basically equivalent to completely giving up on this market. This fact was not proposed by me, but by commercial studios that developed masterpieces such as The Witcher III and Cyberpunk 2077.

I believe that the core value of localized translation has never been to "make games explode overnight", but to steadily improve basic business data. If you are unwilling to do even the initial localization translation, how can you make Chinese people willing to play your game?

Moreover, having Chinese for free games will greatly enhance community activity, and active players are the core source of paid content in the future. To seize the Chinese market for similar games, local translation is almost necessary.

Due to some complex words, I have to use a translator to communicate with you about the following sentences: You think the Chinese market cannot be entered, so you don't do Chinese translation, but the fact is that many people cannot successfully enter the Chinese market because they haven't done Chinese translation, which is the reason.

Moreover, the Chinese market is not only the Chinese Mainland market, but also the Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan and overseas Chinese. It is almost impossible for the game you mentioned to be prohibited by law, and as far as I know, only a few large-scale commercial games are prohibited because they are too bloody, violent or contain cult content. If your game is a normal leisure game or an ordinary competitive game, you don't need to worry about this at all, and the premise of all this is that your game is tried to be released on the official game platform in China (this is almost impossible for independent developers like you, because the platform will require you to have a Chinese citizen ID card to prove your identity as a developer)

if your game wont appear at chinese official platforms, u will never be ban by chinese law, thats fake news.

it's not a exception, we even have some websites to recommand english games with chinese translations, and u can find some not famous games become famous in china cuz they made chinese translations. AND if ur games are not famous at all, only making chinese translation wont change anything, the point is game itself, and yeah with chinese translation.

check all true news on TikTok, i know eng people can find chinese true news ezly on Tiktok before

yeah, ur so nice lol

and they have a boom jam

in racing game, eng says "ready...go", the same one meaning for chinese is "准备...冲/出发", nobody says "准备好"

and "设置这个时间" sounds missing a part, like "设置这个时间(为3点)", or if u only wanna mean "mathc this time"(didnt say the target time), then u can say "匹配上这个时间" or "调整为这个时间" or "设置为这个时间", the point is u need to add "为" to means "to", like "match (to) this time", to correct with chinese grammer

i tested it, i think u can replace "准备好！" to "准备！", and replace "设置这个时间" to "目标时间" or "设置为这个时间" or "调整为这个时间"

i think yes (based on "many small games, and anyone can upload games, and there is a community"), https://www.gcores.com/

but i usually use itch.io lol, i just found gcores.com some weeks, cuz my chinese friends told me about it

Just wanted to ask why most games that require localization only consider Spanish, German, Russian, and so on, and when translating to Asian languages, they are mostly Korean and Japanese, with almost no one choosing Chinese. Why, because Chinese is difficult or there are no Chinese people playing?

im here cuz i wanna tell u: ur artworks look amazing and cute :p

i think maybe not :p

i found one, but not sure if he will do this, it will be nice if u wanna join  us! Now we have a discord group and there are 3 guys, programmer, writer/music guy and an artist

yeah i delete it myself

Copyright should not be limited to capitalism, as it can also exist elsewhere. But there is no such thing as whether tools are capitalist or not, it is the operating model and users behind them. Your view that using AI is capitalism is very one-sided.

womp womp

yeah, i think not everything perfect, u just make a game and show it, not need to be shame

The theme emphasized by China now (or rather the theme I learned about about about 8 years ago) is "innovation and autonomy". Schools encourage middle school students to participate in a competition, which requires you to draw a picture to describe the future. You can give some ideas and thoughts, and even provide a feasible design plan. Regarding copyright issues, most programmers in China are not very concerned about AI copyright issues, but artists are very disliked (referring to those who draw, not including artists who make sculptures or other things, and I don't know about that type of people). However, apart from that, the public has a indifferent attitude and likes to use AI to generate funny pictures or interesting videos. The reasons why domestic artists dislike AI that I have heard are mostly related to copyright. They feel that AI has infringed on their painting copyright. However, I think AI itself is a process of learning images, providing prompt words, and then generating autonomously. I don't think this is considered infringement (but if I say this, artists will definitely kill me). The copyright policy in China is also similar. You can apply for a copyright, and there is a copyright period during which no one can steal your design. Then there is a phenomenon: many graduate or doctoral students must apply for a certain number of copyrights, although I don't know the meaning of this behavior, I think it's just too much. It's just some junk copyright

Sorry for writing so many words. When I wrote in Chinese, I didn't realize how much content I had written. English is too verbose ..

We have a specific word to describe those who specialize in smearing domestic affairs and making people follow in the footsteps of the United States, but I can't translate it haha

idk the other countries, but i think food in China is enough, so yeah, but i mean the world run based on it, i think if someone can change it...that's too hard thb lol, after all, this world already run by this way like maybe 4000 years. i guess we need a character like Jesus lol. and well in China, before people basicly follow the west way, like copy how USA does it, and import a lot of things like capital, the core of capitalism, and even a Chinese person wrote an article praising capitalism, which was published in schools and every middle school student had to learn (to be honest, I hated this article at the time). 

So in the past, many people in China were actually "worshipping foreign things" or blindly believing in the identity of the "beacon of justice" of the United States. I was also very fond of the United States before I was about 10 years old (because you know, we have to learn English, and most English teachers are from studying abroad in the United States, so they blindly believe in the United States), until later when I went online myself, I found that although many people also like the United States online, after reading history, I realized that the United States is clearly not a so-called "just country"? (Although I later understood that a country cannot be judged by justice or evil, because a country is a collective, a collection of many people), overall, Chinese people now basically understand a truth, which is that we cannot blindly trust Westerners, we need our own system to better protect ourselves

(used translation, cuz too much words XD)

yeah u didnt say that, i mean in the vid the guy talk about, he metioned private property or something

i mean right now, the world still run base on u need to buy food, but yeah, basic things like food if they can be free, then it's alreay like communist society, but it's still far away. I come from a big city but not hot citys for foreigners i guess... Actually, when I was a child, I was very skeptical about the idea that "copyright can stimulate innovation", but my teacher felt that this was my problem lmao

i see, so when u say private property, it means copyright or something, i thought something reality, like u buy a food, it's ur propertydemolition. i think the way he said (reward people for new ideas) is a good way. but now copyright has a time limit about 60 years, right? it can slightly reduce the impact and ensure the rights of those who invent new things.

im not sure, but yeah, since it's a jam project, i think we'd better keep it simple, so yeah, 2D is a nice option