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Sunday, 8 July 2012

Dr. Laura Schlessinger: Using the Bible for Evil

From time to time, somebody passes on to me one of a myriad of chain emails making the rounds of Inboxes everywhere. Some are funny; some are a fount of misinformation and once in a blue moon, I get one which piques my curiosity.

As a little background, radio talk show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger got herself into hot water in the late 1990s for making a number of negative comments about homosexuality and in some cases backing up her rhetoric with quotes from the Bible. She declared homosexuality a "biological error" but didn't stop there; she went on to compare gay men to pedophiles. Obviously this created quite a stir in the gay community but those who were fighting for the end of sexual discrimination also took exception. John Aravosis, an American Democratic political consultant, writer, gay activist and blogger, started StopDrLaura.Com in 2000 to boycott Schlessinger's first television show.

Here is the full text of the email I received which is a modified version of the original 2000 chain email:

Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 6:44 PM

Subject: OWNING A CANADIAN

Below is a brilliant and humorous response to the notion that the bible is the ultimate justification for any conflicting viewpoint in this day and age.

On her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, written by a U.S. man, and posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus, Dept. Of Curriculum,
Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

P.S. It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian.

Ah, Ms. Schlessinger, you do know how to raise the ire of some of your listeners. Tell us what you really think. (You will note I didn't say Dr. Schlessinger because she's not a doctor. She doesn't even have a Ph.D.)

As an aside, Schlessinger sealed her fate in 2010 when she used the N word on her radio show and subsequently ended her radio show. She apparently continues on Sirius satellite radio.

Follow-up
I was intrigued by the veracity of the email. Was it really emailed to Schlessinger or was this just wishful thinking on the part of some irate but Bible-savvy listener?

Snopes.Com has a wonderful and informative article on the whole debacle and I couldn't help comparing it to the outrageous comments of Rush Limbaugh about Sandra Fluke. You would like to think society is making progress then the news reports the statements of somebody, politician, celebrity, or so-called expert which leave you with your jaw hitting the floor. WTF? Where in heaven's name did that come from? Of course, I ofttimes add that some of what we think are changes in our society are more of a thin veneer. Stand around the office water cooler when people are relaxed, not seeing any recorders or cell phone cameras, and listen to what comes out of their mouths. There may be a tad more humor with sexual, racial or homophobic overtones than you would care to know.

Snopes also pointed out that the Dr. Laura email did not escape the attention of Aaron Sorkin, create of the television series The West Wing. In the episode The Midterms, written by Sorkin himself first airing on October 18, 2000, he incorporates part of the email into the storyline. From Wikipedia's summary of the episode's plot:

On the night of the election, the White House hosts a reception for talk radio hosts. Amongst them is a conservative advice show host, Dr. Jenna Jacobs (a caricature of Dr. Laura Schlessinger, played by Claire Yarlett). When the President joins the reception, Jacobs remains seated, and the President notices her. He attacks Jacobs' position on homosexuality by listing off other Scriptural taboos — touching a pig's skin, wearing clothing woven of two different threads, etc. He ends with the admonishment, "In this building, when the President stands, nobody sits." The embarrassed Jacobs hesitantly rises, and the President tells Toby that this is how he beat his old foe. Sam takes some of her appetizers. (Wikipedia: The Midterms: Plot)

Uploaded by janitic on Nov 23, 2007
West Wing - Dr. Jacobs - Bible References - Owned by Prez.

Final Word
We've come a long way. But we have a long way to go. During the 2010 debates of the GOP candidates, I heard Michele Bachman and Rick Santorum come out squarely against gay marriage. What issues are at the forefront of my mind? How about the economy, global warming, sickness, war, famine? I can think of a number of issues just a tad more important than somebody's antiquated, myopic, misinterpreted biblical views to justify the most egregious of attitudes towards our fellow human beings. We are all in this together. How about a little peace, love, and understanding?


References

snopes.com - Sep 5/2007
Letter to Dr. Laura

Wikipedia: The West Wing
The West Wing is an American television serial drama created by Aaron Sorkin that was originally broadcast on NBC from September 22, 1999 to May 14, 2006.

Wikipedia: The Midterms
"The Midterms" is the 25th episode of The West Wing and the third episode of the second season.

Real-life connections
The fictional "Dr. Jenna Jacobs" is scolded by President Bartlet, who criticizes her views on homosexuality, and points out she is not a doctor in any field related to morality, ethics, or theology. He quotes from the Bible to point out the inconsistency of condemning certain sins but not others. Show creator Aaron Sorkin admitted to modeling Bartlet's diatribe on an anonymous "Letter to Dr. Laura," which was a popular viral email at the time relating to Dr. Laura Schlessinger's daily radio show "The Dr. Laura Program".

Wikipedia: Laura Schlessinger
Laura Catherine Schlessinger (born January 16, 1947) is an American talk radio host, socially conservative commentator and author. Her radio program consists mainly of her responses to callers' requests for personal advice and has occasionally featured her short monologues on social and political topics. Her website says that her show "preaches, teaches, and nags about morals, values and ethics."
...
Schlessinger called homosexuality a "biological error", said that homosexuality was acceptable as long it was not public, and said that homosexuals should not attempt to adopt children. She regularly compared gay parenting to pedophilia by reiterating her view that "a huge portion of the male homosexual populace is predatory on young boys."

my blog: Rush Limbaugh: That's spelled with one F and one U
Recently, the world has been atwitter on Twitter and other social media commenting left, right and centre about one Rush Hudson Limbaugh. Of course, it is easy to pile on by calling him an anal orifice or a Neanderthal or a meany... (I consult my notes) oops, that's a f**kin' meany... however I can't help feeling there is more, much more not just to this particular story, but to what the story represents. This is the tip of the iceberg.

my blog: Obamacare: Congratulations on doing the right thing, America!
Obamacare is not perfect. But it is a step is the right direction. Socialism? Is helping your neighbour socialism? Is helping your country socialism? Is spending more on uncompensated charity care than on insuring people not very astute? Is spending more than any other country on health care but only ranking 72nd in the WHO's health assessment ranking something anybody would not want to turn around? Would you let 18,000 people die unnecessarily each year because they have no health insurance? You have a right to be free. You have the right to work, succeed, and travel. Shouldn't you have the right to be healthy?

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Thursday, 23 December 2010

Salman Hossain: Our favourite Jew-hater is back!


Yes, folks. Mr. Anti-Semite is back and he's bringing his crazy, distorted message of genocidal hatred to the masses or at least to anybody who will listen. Filthy Jewish Terrorist is back on-line!

http://www.filthyjewishterrorists.org

N.B. As of this writing (Thursday, December 22, 2010 at 7:30am EST), the web site is up but the question is whether or not the Swiss web hosting company will want to continue the growing heat as complaints about the content begin to pile up. I am not going to be surprised if this disappears again.


To recap
Salman An-Noor Hossain, 25, is a Canadian from Mississauga, originally a native of Bangladesh. About two years ago, he got it in his head to start spreading this bizarre anti-Semitic message while a student at University of Toronto at Mississauga. This so enraged the community, a Facebook group was started against him and UTM eventually suspended him. (see my blog: Spit Take: Here? In Canada? - July 8, 2010) The police were about to charge him under Canada's hate crimes laws when he left the country.

Lobbying by the Attorney General of Ontario managed to convince an America web hosting company to close down the web site and Salman has been out of circulation since then. (see my blog Salman Hossain: Update - August 11, 2010) But he's back, baby!

According to my research, Mr. Hossain seems to have found himself a place in Switzerland.

http://dnstools.com/?count=1&lookup=on&wwwhois=on&arin=on&portNum=80&target=filthyjewishterrorists.org&submit=Go!

Registrant Name:Albisser  Paul
Registrant Organization:Albisser Paul
Registrant Street1:Tribschenstrasse 48
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Luzern
Registrant State/Province:Luzern
Registrant Postal Code:6005
Registrant Country:CH
Registrant Phone:+41.41413601540
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+41.41413601540
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:contact@anonymousspeech.com

As a curiosity, I looked up the web site anonymousspeech.com and it seems to be a service which offers anonymous email and anonymous web hosting. Gosh, now I wonder what you would be doing that would require you to hide your origins? I have no idea who Paul Albisser is.

The hilarious legal disclaimer
Reading over the site's various articles which have a truly bizarre view of the world leave me somewhat startled by the focused, fanatical racism espoused by its author. Then, in a comical turn of wanting to suck and blow, of playing the innocent in this Machiavellian end run round Canada's laws against hate crimes by using the Internet from an international location, Salman issues this legal disclaimer:

http://www.filthyjewishterrorists.org/legal-disclaimer/
FilthyJewishTerrorists.ORG is the largest web site in the world, hosting educational information for the 6.5 billion people on Earth about 5,800 years of International Jewish Terrorism. Our web site does not advocate terrorism or genocide against any people. All information on this site is for informational purposes only. It offers solutions to the problems that we as human beings face daily from the near destruction of our eternal survival against the Jewish onslaught. With that in mind, this website is both pro-active and reactionary against the Jewish plots for world domination and the permanent destruction of the human species. With that in mind, it must be stated that any statements made by the various authors in this website must be done with the pure intent of eliminating the world’s greatest problem that we are currently facing. This web site does not break any of the laws of the United States of America.

For informational purposes only? Does not break any laws of the United States of America? Can we falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre then in the ensuing panic say, "Hey! It's not my fault you believed me."? See my blog Freedom of Speech: Freedom to say anything?

Subverted Nation by Adam Austin
There has been the suggestion that some if not all of the content of Salman's web site has actually been written by one Adam Austin, an American who runs the web site Subverted Nation. While I can't say this is true, I can certainly say that the content of Mr. Austin's web site is similar.

http://www.subvertednation.net/about-2/
Subverted Nation is the place to go for hard hitting, no holds barred analysis of current and past events relating to, what many deem, the jewish question, but this is not the question…it is the only answer. This is indeed the one true enemy of mankind, and all that stands for good. So here, they are given no quarter, as they have never given quarter to any peoples throughout history. Undermining whole nations, committing genocide against their peoples, ritually murdering their children. They bring with them viscious depravity in the place of morality, and deeming themselves god’s to rule over humanity, they leave nothing to question. The mission behind Subverted Nation is to disseminate information, in a fashion unlike all other outlets for news pertaining to the “jewish question”. Subverted Nation exposes to the American people how our country has been undermined, by a parasite that eats away at it’s hosts until it is bled dry.

http://www.subvertednation.net/the-real-reason-for-the-holocaust-hoax/
Why would I call for a “final solution” of death to all jews and followers of judaism, cabala, and the like?
...
I am NOT advocating violence or BREAKING ANY LAWS. Let’s get that disclaimer out there before someone gets a hair up their ass to bother me about what I’m saying. Again, I am merely stating the FACTS to you as they ARE and as they ALWAYS WILL BE, and I am doing so well within the law. In fact, I would LOVE NOTHING MORE than for our military and law enforcement to CARRY OUT THESE TASKS LAWFULLY, but they will not because they are controlled by the jew owned media and hollywood, not to mention they (just like the so-called truth movement) are LEAD BY THE JEW.

As with Hossain's disclaimer, Mr. Austin wants to suck and blow by promoting hatred but then saying he's not promoting violence.

Have a look at my blog Anti-Abortionists: Murder by Proxy where I describe how the extremists in anti-abortion movement in the States have taken to publishing information about doctors including their home address, car licence plates and work schedule with the idea that somebody out there, some nutbar will do their dirty work by killing the doctor. And it seems to work too! See my blog The Face of Anti-Abortionists: Neal Horsley for a description of one person who uses this technique of intimidation.

Final Word
I have witnessed people "flip". That is, they sort of go insane, insane in the sense they take on some sort of belief which defies logic, goes against common sense and is generally at odds with anything anybody would define as logical. I suppose a psychiatrist would have a field day with this one but since the person isn't totally nuts, I guess we can't really lock them up or send them off for a 30 day stay in the Betty Ford Anti-Racist Clinic. Certainly part of this is the mind of a person who wants to do something in defiance of authority. He wants to thumb his nose at the world saying, "You can't tell me what not to do."

The dribble espoused on the web site is ridiculous. The ideas are so moronic that they don't even merit comment. However believe me that Salman is not alone. In my blog Freedom of Speech: Freedom to say anything? I discover a number of web sites whose message of hate, wrapped in the idea of Freedom of Speech is perplexing in its lack of insight. Are these my 15 minutes of fame? Am I going to waste them by doing something truly stupid, something which isn't a great contribution to humanity but is a sick, warped attempt to leave a legacy of damage?

Yes, in my blog My 15 Minutes I say that I hope I do something good and not bad when my time comes. Mr. Hossain seems to have chosen the latter but the joke of it all is summed up at the end of my article. For all his mad ravings, for all his vitriolic, lunatic spoutings, just how many of us are going to pay attention in the long run?

In the future; everyone will be famous to fifteen people.


References

Alexa's ranking of "filthyjewishterrorists.org": 7,116,287
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/filthyjewishterrorists.org

my blog: Salman Hossain: Update - August 11, 2010
http://wqebelle.blogspot.com/2010/08/salman-hossain-update.html

my blog: Spit Take: Here? In Canada? - July 8, 2010
http://wqebelle.blogspot.com/2010/07/spit-take-salman-hossain.html

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Postscript: December 26, 2010
The above blog was reprinted in Oye! Times, an online newspaper. The article received the following comment from none other than Mr. Adam Austin himself:

Adam Austin 2010-12-26 22:06
I am Adam Austin and I stand behind every word on my website. I built Hossain's website, and it's up to him to stand behind what he has to say. The jews are a race of hateful, murderous, racist, even GENODICAL maniacs, as history PROVES. For their crimes against humanity, they should be WIPED OUT. In return for the 60 million Russians murdered by JEWS, we'll take 60 million jews. In return for the 10 million Ukrainians starved to death by JEWS, we'll hang 10 million jews. For the 3 million Armenians murdered by JEWS, we will hang 3 million jews. After a few THOUSAND years of genocide, nation wrecking, espionage, treason, rape, ritual murder, blood libel, and on and on and on, the jews deserve everything they get. After America's JEW ENGINEERED financial collapse, it's a wonder jews are swinging by the neck already. The world will NEVER FORGET, and the jews will eventually pay.

No rebuttal is necessary. Mr. Austin speaks for himself.

Thursday, 26 August 2010

We always come back to Hitler


For quite some time now, we have all been able to see in various media outlets how politicians are compared to Hitler. While on the one hand this can be an amusing way of criticizing somebody for their policies, it does on the other hand distract from an honest debate about the issues. In fact, such a comparison in print or as an image or a video can serve as a scare tactic whereby the author is not convincing you of the legitimacy of his arguments; he is scaring you into believing him, into believing the veracity of his point of view.

Hitler is the embodiment of evil. Nazism probably evokes in all of us a visceral reaction to the horrors of World War II. Anyone who has any knowledge of WW II reacts negatively to any mention of this. Consequently, making the association between Hitler and anybody, between Nazism and any proposed policy or idea is a sure fire way of making a connection in the mind of the public to something horrible; so horrible, it must be stopped at any cost. At that point, rational debate stops; a search for the facts stops; the quest for the truth stops and we all hunker down in our tightly held beliefs only to periodically emerge to point an accusatory finger at our opponents and yell some obscenity.

I have seen some pretty funny stuff using this Hitler comparison but I have also seen some pretty serious stuff using this comparison. To be perfectly clear, I find the serious stuff to be quite stupid. This is not a rational debate; this is an example pure and simple of scare tactics meant to impress the target audience with what turns out to be an outlandish point of view. I say outlandish because a close examination of the idea behind the Hitler comparison invariably leads to an argument with holes like Swiss cheese.

Barack Obama



I was a little taken aback when I first saw this image. In doing a search on Google, one can uncover all sorts of similar pictures all linking Obama to the likeness of Hitler and the Nazis. This is quite remarkable imagery and certainly does a lot to evoke an idea of impending doom.

With Google searches, I can turn up George Bush as Hitler, Bill Clinton as Hitler, Hillary as Hitler, etc., etc. Ha! Others have certainly found this a good way to voice their concern and/or disagreement with a politician.







Sarah Palin: Death Panels
In the middle of 2009, debate was running hot on Barack Obama's proposed health care reform. On August 7, 2009, Sarah Palin posted on her Facebook page a note in which she described how the Obama plan would enable "death panels". Supposedly, elderly people would go before a review panel that would judge whether the person received health care or not. Palin characterised this as the panel would determine who lived and who died. All of this was linked to a Nazi euthanasia program called Action T4. Fair? Reading about the actual T4 program is horrifying and making such a comparison to Obama's health care plan is not just unjustified; it's downright insulting.

Of course, none of this was in the least bit true but that didn't stop an already misinformed and scared public from quickly making the connection between Obama and Hitler. Death Panels? Next stop: death camps! PolitiFact.Com conclusively proved that all this was just a bunch of nonsense but then went on to award Sarah Palin the dubious distinction of "Lie of the Year" for 2009.


Barney Frank: heckler
Mr. Frank has been the United States House Representative for Massachusetts's 4th congressional district since 1981. He is a member of the Democratic Party. On August 18, 2009, he participated at town hall meeting in Dartmouth, Massachusetts where the following video was shot.


This video shows Mr. Frank at a Q & A confronted by a misinformed woman who holds up a defaced picture of Obama as a likeness of Hitler and asks about the Nazi T4 program and Obama's supposed death panels. Barney then lets the woman have it belittling her about her comparisons to Hitler and Nazism of being completely unworthy of comment and an affront to American politics and civilization.

“As you stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis, my answer to you is, as I said, before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated.”

Comedy: Yes, the Nazis can be funny
Consider it commentary but it is certainly amusing commentary. The film The Downfall: Hitler and the End of the Third Reich (2004) has a scene during which Hitler talks with his staff in German with subtitles. People have taken this scene and replaced the subtitles with dialogue relating to modern events with quite hilarious results. I feel sorry however if you speak German as I suspect these little video clips would not be quite so funny.

The Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper
In the Fall of 2008, the Conservative party with their minority rule in parliament was in deep trouble over its budget. The opposition parties had gathered together as a coalition with the intention of defeating the Conservatives and taking over power. On December 4, 2008, Prime Minister Harper convinced the Governor General Michaƫlle Jean to prorogue parliament, that is, suspend its activities temporarily until January 2009. Of course, this was done by Harper to avoid a confidence motion which would have surely seen him defeated; it allowed his party time to regroup.

Proroguing parliament under such circumstances is so rare, it is tantamount to sidestepping democracy itself and many in Canada were outraged at such a flagrant disregard for the political process. This video, from the movie The Downfall captures quite humorously the view of many about the Prime Minister, Mr. Stephen Harper.



YouTube: Hitler Rants About George Bush

YouTube: Hitler Rants About Hitler Parodies

Godwin's Law
Yep, somebody has actually codified this idea. Back in 1989, an author by the name of Mike Godwin humorously observed: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." He noticed that sooner or later, people start making comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis.

Godwin was talking about the Internet and online discussions but this idea dates even farther back in time.

Reductio ad Hitlerum
Coined by an academic ethicist, Leo Strauss, in 1953, this expression refers to the idea whereby somebody compares a policy to a policy advocated by Hitler and therefore said policy is wrong. Obviously such argumentation is wrong but it can certainly be effective in evoking a visceral reaction to a policy with which one disagrees. It's a lousy argument but it's great politics.

Where will it end?

On July 18, 2010, the Iowa Tea Party erected a billboard about socialism showing Hitler, Stalin and Obama. Fair? Funny?



Washington Post - Sunday, July 18, 2010
The tea party makes trouble with a capital T By Dana Milbank

The National Post - Jul 16/2010
Dear Tea Party, please quit trying to help by Jonathon Narvey




So, as I once again turn my attention back to the latest headlines to see what's going on in the world, I bid you, "Sieg Heil!" (Hail victory) :-)


References

Wikipedia: Godwin's Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Wikipedia: Reductio ad Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

PolitiFact.Com: Sarah Palin falsely claims Barack Obama runs a 'death panel'
August 7, 2009
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-barack-obama-death-panel/

PolitiFact.Com: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'
December 18, 2009
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/dec/18/politifact-lie-year-death-panels/

Wikipedia: Action T4
This article is about the actual Nazi "death panels".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4


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Monday, 16 August 2010

Freedom of Speech: Freedom to say "anything"?


In Canada, the anti-Jewish extremist Salman Hossain has been charged in absentia with three counts of promoting hatred and two counts of advocating genocide based on what he said on his web site.

In the United States, the white supremacist "shock jock" radio host Hal Turner has been found guilty of threatening 3 judges based on what he said in his blog.

We all think we're free to say anything we want but are we free to say absolutely anything?







In the USA: Freedom of Speech

The Constitution of the United States was adopted on September 17, 1787. The first ten amendments known as the Bill of Rights came into effect on December 15, 1791. The first amendment reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Wikipedia defines Freedom of Speech as the freedom to speak without censorship or limitation, or both. Wikipedia goes on to further qualify this in its article Freedom of Speech in the United States:
Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, sexism, and other hate speech are generally permitted. There are exceptions to these general protection, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent danger, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as rights for authors and inventors over their works and discoveries (copyright and patent), interests in "fair" political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander).
A key phrase from the above explanation is this:
Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, sexism, and other hate speech are generally permitted.
Starting from this point that one is free to express any idea; the above explanation notes that there is an attempt to balance the rights to free speech and other rights. I make note here of "protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons" or "the use of untruths to harm others".

Is Freedom of Speech absolute? Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., Associate Justice on the Supreme Court of the United States from 1902 to 1932, wrote in a ruling in the case Schenck vs. United States, 1919:
The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.

Mr. Holmes presented a qualifying test to judging free speech by stating that such speech must not bring about a clear and present danger. You can't falsely shout Fire! in a crowded theater as you could cause panic.

About the court case Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969, Wikipedia states that it held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action.

Wikipedia explains Imminent Lawless Action:
Imminent lawless action is a term used in the United States Supreme Court case Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) to define the limits of constitutionally protected speech. The rule overturned the decision of the earlier Schenck v. United States (1919), which had established "clear and present danger" as the constitutional limit for speech. Under the imminent lawless action test, speech is not protected by the First Amendment if the speaker intends to incite a violation of the law that is both imminent and likely.
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The doctrine states that speech that will cause, or has as its purpose, "imminent lawless action" (such as a riot) does not have constitutional protection. As of 2009, "imminent lawless action" continues to be the test applied in free speech cases.

The Wikipedia entry on the court case Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969, ends with:
The Brandenburg test was the Court's last major statement on what government may do about inflammatory speech that seeks to incite others to lawless action. It resolved the debate between those who urged greater government control of speech for reasons of security and those who favored allowing as much speech as possible and relying on the marketplace of ideas to reach a favorable result...
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As of 2009, the Brandenburg test is still the standard used for evaluating attempts to punish inflammatory speech, and it has not been seriously challenged since it was laid down in 1969.
...

The above entry uses the term marketplace of ideas which Wikipedia defines as:
The "marketplace of ideas" is a rationale for freedom of expression based on an analogy to the economic concept of a free market. The "marketplace of ideas" belief holds that the truth or the best policy arises out of the competition of widely various ideas in free, transparent public discourse, an important part of liberal democracy.


Where does this leave us?

It would seem that we arrive at the last major decision on the question of free speech in the United States. The test as to whether one is free to say anything depends on whether what the person says could lead to an imminent lawless action. Otherwise, the marketplace of ideas will in the end ultimately decide the fate of an idea, whether it takes root in the collective conscience or whether it withers and dies.


Subverted Nation by Adam Austin
http://www.subvertednation.net/about-2/
Subverted Nation is the place to go for hard hitting, no holds barred analysis of current and past events relating to, what many deem, the jewish question, but this is not the question…it is the only answer. This is indeed the one true enemy of mankind, and all that stands for good. So here, they are given no quarter, as they have never given quarter to any peoples throughout history. Undermining whole nations, committing genocide against their peoples, ritually murdering their children. They bring with them viscious depravity in the place of morality, and deeming themselves god’s to rule over humanity, they leave nothing to question. The mission behind Subverted Nation is to disseminate information, in a fashion unlike all other outlets for news pertaining to the “jewish question”. Subverted Nation exposes to the American people how our country has been undermined, by a parasite that eats away at it’s hosts until it is bled dry.
http://www.subvertednation.net/the-real-reason-for-the-holocaust-hoax/
Why would I call for a “final solution” of death to all jews and followers of judaism, cabala, and the like?
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I am NOT advocating violence or BREAKING ANY LAWS. Let’s get that disclaimer out there before someone gets a hair up their ass to bother me about what I’m saying. Again, I am merely stating the FACTS to you as they ARE and as they ALWAYS WILL BE, and I am doing so well within the law. In fact, I would LOVE NOTHING MORE than for our military and law enforcement to CARRY OUT THESE TASKS LAWFULLY, but they will not because they are controlled by the jew owned media and hollywood, not to mention they (just like the so-called truth movement) are LEAD BY THE JEW.


A Voice For Men by Paul Elam
[Note: Mr. Elam has modified his web site and the following links are now invalid. I will endeavour to find the associated articles.]
http://www.avoiceformen.com/about/
The purpose of this web site is to offer information, perspective, and most importantly direction for men living in the age of virulent misandry.
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Feminism is a Marxist strategy designed to undermine the family and all other traditional institutions so that the primary relationship individuals have is ultimately with The State.
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Central to pulling this off was to first vilify masculinity, then criminalize it. 
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The only thing that remains for men is their own survival. It is men who are the pack animals and indentured servants of this new world order. And their answer is not in going to war against Marxism, which will only result in the certain evisceration of their lives. Their answer is quite simply... to abandon any notion of commitment to women or vulnerability to them.
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The emphasis [of this web site] ... will be anti marriage and anti commitment to the core.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/2010/07/20/jury-duty-at-a-rape-trial-acquit/
Jury Duty at a Rape Trial? Acquit!
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Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.
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your fellow jurors, who can be assumed to be living unconsciously in the misandric matrix
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Women lie about being raped, judicial politicians make careers off of putting away sexual offenders, and a brainwashed public cheers it all on.
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If the system is rigged, then the outcome must be assumed to be tainted.
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Voting not guilty on any charge of rape is the only way to remain faithful to the concept of presumed innocence.
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Better a rapist would walk the streets than a system that merely mocks justice enslave another innocent man.


The Knights Party, USA - The Ku Klux Klan
http://www.kkk.bz/hello.htm
Hello, all of us at the national office would like to thank you for stopping by our site. We have prepared this site in order to give an accurate portrayal of the nationalist movement.
The entertainment industry backed by individuals with a Marxist agenda have waged an attack upon the consciousness' of white Christians. To further obliterate any remaining racial instinct among our people, those who hate white Christian civilization have chosen to desecrate anything which might cause a stirring of loyalty and heritage in the heart. They say Christianity must go and they say nationalist pride must go.
From changing the names of schools, streets, avenues, stadiums, libraries, etc. to Martin Luther King ....to the toppling of Southern monuments, anything which has the potential of causing a white person to swell with pride is forbidden.
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We want to state for the record that we do not endorse hatred. It is hypocritical for one to think a black, Asian, Mexican or any other person should be praised for being loyal to their heritage. Yet a white person can feel the same sense of pride and be criticized for it. It doesn't make sense.
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The Knights is a love group not a hate group. We love America and the Christian foundation of our nation. We love our white brothers and sisters world wide and we recognize the contributions they have made to civilization. We also realize that our nation's future and in fact all white Christian civilization is in jeopardy.

Conclusion

3 web sites are supposedly operating within the law of freedom of speech: one anti-Jewish, one anti-women and one anti-non-white. Despite the rhetoric supporting their individual self-prescribed goals, one could argue that there is no threat of an imminent lawless action, the key word here being "imminent". Yes, nothing is going to happen in the next 10 minutes; yes, nothing "may" happen tomorrow or next week. Who knows? Freedom of speech means you are permitted to say what you want, to express whatever thoughts you have. At this point, the marketplace of ideas will decide the fate of these ideas, whether they take root in the collective conscience or whether they wither and die.

Or, is it that simple?


Hal Turner


Mr. Turner is a shock jock radio host and a white supremacist that has a history of threatening public figures. In 2005, disagreeing with the handling of a court case against Matt Hale (another white supremacist who is now in jail), Turner published the names and addresses of the presiding judges on his web site with the suggestion they should be assassinated. In 2008, he once again encouraged violence against a school superintendent who had set up a curriculum supporting gays and lesbians.

On June 2, 2009, in response to a 3 judge panel upholding a handgun ban in Chicago, Turner wrote on his blog:
"Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions."
Turner then published information on how to find the judges.

Mr. Turner was arrested on June 3, 2009 on charges of inciting his website's readers to take up arms against the officials. There have been 3 trials. The first trial ended with the jury being deadlocked, the 2nd was declared a mistrial but the 3rd trial found him guilty on August 13, 2010 of threatening the 3 judges. He faces up to 10 years in prison.

Hal Turner, in his defence, stated that he did not say that he himself would kill the judges; he merely said that they deserve to be killed.

Postscript: On 21 December 2010, Hal Turner was sentenced to 33 months in prison.

2 Final Points

Point #1

Are we totally free to say anything we want without any consequences whatsoever? Can we be totally absolved of any responsibility, of any complicity in what transpires as a result of our words? Can we falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater then in the ensuing panic say, "Hey! It's not my fault you believed me."?

Point #2

I repeat what I have said elsewhere:
A friend is the principal of a public school in an area where the students come from all over the world, from all sorts of backgrounds. The school board publishes a school calendar on which is noted every religious holiday and celebration for everybody: Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddha, BahĆ”'Ć­, etc. and all students are always made aware of everybody else's observances. In fact, ofttimes the entire school celebrates various festivals so that everybody is observing Christmas, Rosh Hashanah, Diwali or Ramadan.
This friend pointed out to me recently, in talking about the children of this school that children already know how to love; they "learn" how to hate.

Is this "freedom of speech", the freedom to say anything we want, "misused" as the freedom to teach, promote and incite hatred?



References

I am in no way going to claim I have exhaustively covered this topic. I realize in researching this article that I have not covered all the rulings of various court cases (Hess v. Indiana, 1973) which have had an effect on the law or the differences between the U.S. and Canada and other countries. However, I hope I have provided enough detail and background material to clearly make my point about freedom of speech and its limits and associated issues.

Wikipedia: First Amendment to the United States Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Wikipedia: Freedom of Speech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Wikipedia: Freedom of Speech in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States

Wikipedia: Shouting fire in a crowded theater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater

Wikipedia: Brandenburg v. Ohio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Wikipedia: Imminent lawless action
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action

Wikipedia: Marketplace of Ideas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketplace_of_ideas

Wikipedia: Hal Turner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

Old Fart Rants: Danger Will Robinson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US8ZqwitKGM

2010-08-16

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Wednesday, 11 August 2010

Salman Hossain: Update


To recap: Salman Hossain is Bangladeshi-Canadian who was living in Toronto while attending York University. He started a web site called Filthy Jewish Terrorists and embarked on a campaign of promoting terrorist attacks on Canada, cheering the killing of Canadian troops in Afghanistan and the urging of fellow Muslims to "exterminate" Canada's Jewish population. I first reported my finding out about this gentleman on July 8, 2010 in my blog with the article reprinted in the on-line newspaper Oye Times!

Protests against Mr. Hossain had been growing steadily at York University and in Canada in general. However this didn't seem to deter Mr. Hossain; this seemed to inspire him to continue his questionable pastime. With things heating up, he did leave Canada but pursued his diatribe of hatred through his web site.

Finally, Mr. Hossain was charged by the Ontario Provincial Police on July 8 with three counts of promoting hatred and 2 counts of advocating genocide, charges approved by the Ontario Attorney-General. Unfortunately, with Mr. Hossain out of the country, those charges remain pending until authorities can get a hold of him.

In a follow up to this story, the National Post reported on July 20, 2010 that Hossain's web site had been taken down by its U.S. host, the Arizona-based web host GoDaddy.

“Go Daddy received a complaint from Canada’s Attorney-General regarding the domain names in question,” said Ben Butler, the company’s Director of Network Abuse.

“After reviewing the content on the sites, Go Daddy determined they are in direct violation of our terms of service and have been removed from our network.”

According to the National Post, Hossain did attempt to set up his web site in Ireland but when the Post contacted the Irish web hosting company Blacknight, it cancelled the hosting contract with Hossain.

“The content on that website would be illegal in Ireland and in Europe,” said Blacknight spokesman Michele Neylon. “And as far as our legal counsel is concerned, any website content that incites anybody to murder another human being, be that an individual or mass genocide, would be illegal.”

For the moment, Salman Hossain is off-line. (Click here to see the Internet lookup of the domain name.)

This isn't the end of it

In researching this article, I used Google to search the Net for information associated with Salman Hossain. Much to my surprise - I guess you could call me naive - I ran across several other web sites spewing - yes, that's the right term: spewing - the same message. Excuse my French, but WTF?

Subverted Nation, showing the motto "Give no Quarter, Ask no Quarter", is a white supremacist web site promoting the hatred of Jews. Reading the information contained therein absolutely shocked me.

But the surprising discovery? This web site is also hosted by the same American Internet company GoDaddy. (Click here to see the Internet lookup of the domain name.)

My surprise is that GoDaddy took down the Salman Hossain's web site after being contacted by Canada's Attorney-General but remains the host for web sites of similar materials. If the Irish web hosting company Blacknight states it has a policy against anybody inciting murder, and here I'm assuming hatred, does GoDaddy have no such policy?


Postscript

Since the National Post article mentioned them, I wrote to the CJC (Canadian Jewish Congress) with a copy of this blog and they kindly wrote back to inform me of the state of affairs. While Canada does have laws which make it an offence to promote hatred or advocate genocide, those laws only govern web sites which are actually hosted on Canadian soil or they govern individuals who control the web site and are Canadian citizens. Apparently it is rare to find a hate site hosted in Canada and consequently these web sites are usually governed by the host country.

While GoDaddy's response in the case of Salman Hossain's was commendable, the company was not required by law to comply. The United States' First Amendment protects free speech and the CJC points out that American ISPs take the view that allowing any content does represent free speech.



References

National Post: Internet company pulls plug on extremist's websites
http://www.financialpost.com/news/Internet+company+pulls+plug+extremist+websites/3300879/story.html

DNS Tools: filthyjewishterrorists.com
http://www.dnstools.com/?count=1&lookup=on&wwwhois=on&portNum=80&target=filthyjewishterrorists.com&submit=Go!

DNS Tools: subvertednation.net
http://www.dnstools.com/?count=1&lookup=on&wwwhois=on&portNum=80&target=subvertednation.net&submit=Go!

Subverted Nation
http://www.subvertednation.net

Canadian Jewish Congress
http://www.cjc.ca

2010-08-11

Thursday, 8 July 2010

Spit Take: Here? In Canada?

Thursday, July 8, 2010: I pick up this morning's National Post and read the front page article about the OPP being set to charge a Muslim extremist.

Over the past three years, Salman Hossain has openly called for terrorist attacks in Canada, cheered the killing of Canadian troops in Afghanistan and urged fellow Muslims to "exterminate" Canada's Jewish population.

What? This is Canada. We don't do such things; we don't say such things; we don't even think such things. What the hey?

I've never heard of this guy so I sit down at my computer and do a search on the name. I find all sorts of entries from media outlets but I also turn up entries written by this gentleman himself. He apparently has a web site, which according to one source was taken down, but I discover it's up.

Spit Take

The home page comes up on the screen of my computer and... I very nearly spit my coffee out across my desk. Holy c**p!!! Gee-sus H. K. Ryest! Over the line? This guy has gone over the line, drawn a new line then gone over that!

Can't we just all get along?

I grew up in a non racist, non sexist environment. Intellectually, I understand that some people hate other people but emotionally, I just don't get it. When somebody expresses anger, frustration, whatever against somebody based on race, colour or sex, I quite honestly draw a blank. I look at the target of their hate and shake my head. What the heck is the big deal?

A friend is the principal of a public school in an area where the students come from all over the world, from all sorts of backgrounds. The school board publishes a school calendar on which is noted every religious holiday and celebration for everybody: Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddha, BahĆ”'Ć­, etc. and all students are always made aware of everybody else's observances. In fact, ofttimes the entire school celebrates various festivals so that everybody is observing Christmas, Rosh Hashanah, Diwali or Ramadan. This friend always gives me a copy of the calendar and I take it to work to share it with my colleagues amongst whom I find Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu.

Folks, this is Canada. We are multi-cultural, multi-ethnic and multi-religious. We do not have room for Salman Hossain any more than we had room for Enrst Zundel. If we stop talking to one another; if we slip into differentiating ourselves based on race, colour, sex or religion, all is lost, anarchy will prevail; we will not have any peace.

I am Canadian. I am proud of my country. I am outraged that another Canadian is dragging all of us through the mud, defaming our name and ruining our collective reputation. This isn't freedom of speech, this is bullshit.


Reference

National Post: OPP set to charge Muslim extremist
http://www.nationalpost.com/charge+Muslim+extremist/3248369/story.html

Google search: "Salman Hossain"
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Salman+Hossain%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=12d854179172b838

Ernst Zundel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

2010-07-08