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Thin Ice

Original title: The Convincer
  • 2011
  • R
  • 1h 33m
IMDb RATING
6.2/10
5.5K
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Alan Arkin, Greg Kinnear, Michelle Arthur, Michael Paul Levin, Joe Minjares, David Harbour, Kathryn Lawrey, and Scott Crouch in Thin Ice (2011)
An insurance agent looking for a way out of frigid Wisconsin is blackmailed by an unstable locksmith in the theft of a rare violin that belongs to a retired farmer.
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A dishonest insurance salesman's life quickly disintegrates during a Wisconsin winter when he teams up with a psychopath to steal a rare violin at the home of a reclusive farmer.A dishonest insurance salesman's life quickly disintegrates during a Wisconsin winter when he teams up with a psychopath to steal a rare violin at the home of a reclusive farmer.A dishonest insurance salesman's life quickly disintegrates during a Wisconsin winter when he teams up with a psychopath to steal a rare violin at the home of a reclusive farmer.

  • Director
    • Jill Sprecher
  • Writers
    • Jill Sprecher
    • Karen Sprecher
  • Stars
    • Greg Kinnear
    • Billy Crudup
    • Alan Arkin
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  • IMDb RATING
    6.2/10
    5.5K
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    • Director
      • Jill Sprecher
    • Writers
      • Jill Sprecher
      • Karen Sprecher
    • Stars
      • Greg Kinnear
      • Billy Crudup
      • Alan Arkin
    • 37User reviews
    • 58Critic reviews
    • 60Metascore
  • See production info at IMDbPro
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    Greg Kinnear
    Greg Kinnear
    • Mickey Prohaska
    Billy Crudup
    Billy Crudup
    • Randy
    Alan Arkin
    Alan Arkin
    • Gorvy Hauer
    Lea Thompson
    Lea Thompson
    • Jo Ann Prohaska
    John Paul Gamoke
    • Man at Coffee Shop
    David Harbour
    David Harbour
    • Bob Egan
    Jennifer Edwards-Hughes
    • Sherri
    • (as Jennifer M. Edwards)
    Scott Crouch
    • Casino Emcee
    Peter Moore
    Peter Moore
    • Phil Peters
    Michelle Hutchison
    Michelle Hutchison
    • Judy Vandenhoevel
    James Michael Detmar
    James Michael Detmar
    • Glen Vandenhoevel
    • (as James Detmar)
    Michael Paul Levin
    Michael Paul Levin
    • Chuck Stankel
    Kathryn Lawrey
    • Hotel Clerk
    Joe Minjares
    • Hotel Manager
    Michelle Arthur
    Michelle Arthur
    • Karla Gruenke
    Peter Thoemke
    Peter Thoemke
    • Frank Richie
    Bob Balaban
    Bob Balaban
    • Leonard Dahl
    Alan Johnson
    Alan Johnson
    • Bill Morton
    • Director
      • Jill Sprecher
    • Writers
      • Jill Sprecher
      • Karen Sprecher
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    5Ramascreen

    not good enough..

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    Great performances, average movie, that's basically what you can take away from THIN ICE, which wants to be taken seriously as a Midwestern con flick with a bit of Coens' Fargo feel to it but the way it reveals itself at the end is so abrupt and hasty, it jams itself down the audience's throat and it doesn't care whether or not the audience is fully prepared for it just yet. Interesting concept, a con film through the eyes of the marked man, but interesting at best is what this film would have to settle for…

    Greg Kinnear is a fantastic actor, I think I find myself saying that about all of his previous performances. There are certain occupations out there that are not liked by general public, lawyers and insurance agents are examples, and Kinnear plays an agent who's also a compulsive liar and he sees a golden opportunity that could be used to his advantage. The story is basically told through his perspective, his character, Mickey, is not necessarily a protagonist but then again, the story doesn't actually have a protagonist to root for, because even the ones that get away with the prize don't grant themselves something likable, and because Micky finds himself digging deeper and deeper into problems with every unwise choice he makes, part of you would feel a bit sorry for the fella. As I said earlier, THIN ICE sorta takes style from Coen Bros' crime drama/thriller/comedy, even Mickey reminds me of Michael Stuhlbarg's character in A Serious Man, situations for them just worsen, no matter what they do, there'd be times when they think they've got it all figured out but they actually don't.

    One credit I'd give THIN ICE is that unless somebody tells you that it's a con film, you probably wouldn't have guessed it from the get-go but halfway trough the film, you can kinda start sensing something's off and start piecing it together. I'm a tropical boy, so I can only imagine how uncomfortable it must've been for Arkin, Kinnear, and Crudup to be out there in dead winter, I'd freeze my ass off and wouldn't be able to say my lines correctly. I think the film was poorly edited and it could've used a more chilling score. Crudup is a treat to watch here because his character is unpredictable, unstable, psycho scary and because of that he also comes off funny, I've never seen Crudup this way on screen and so to see him do it so well, is refreshing, definitely not an actor you'd underestimate. Perhaps if the writers, the Sprechers, where to give Mickey more depth, thus allowing Kinnear to showcase more. That would certainly compensate for everything else that's lackluster about THIN ICE.

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    7richard-1967

    What genre movie is this? I'm not sure, but watch it for the acting

    This is a flawed but still watchable film that seems to steal characters and plot from the Coen Brothers' Fargo, yet manages to succeed. At least to an extent.

    The problem may be - as we were told at our cinema previewing club - that the director lost final cut here, and found herself with a movie she no longer can even comment on, with 15 minutes cut, the film re-edited, and a score she never intended - and one that doesn't work well.

    The result is a somewhat uneven, too dark black comedy. Or is it a drama? Or perhaps a "caper" movie? I'm not quite sure.

    When it comes to the acting, though, this is a great film. Greg Kinnear plays a character too reminiscent of Wm. H. Macy's turn in Fargo, but he makes the most of it, though - team player that he is - he's outshone by more spectacular performances. Alan Arkin, for one, who also did it to Kinnear in Little Miss Sunshine. But the "steal the show" performance is by Billy Crudup, always sexy (my wife says he's "hot") and interesting to watch, and here at his very best. Bob Balaban is spot on as a violin dealer, and the rest of the cast is excellent.

    Worth seeing for many, but mostly for those performances.
    8johnsullivan724

    Good movie, great acting

    It takes some time to get going, granted, but when it does it's good, real good. Greg Kinnear is fantastic as is Billy Crudup and Alan Arkin. It pulls you into it's eerie intensity and takes you on a bit of a ride, sometimes comical. This is listed as a comedy??? Somewhat, but more a crime drama with some comedy. I actually felt real uncomfortable with the tension created in this film and how it develops is really cool. btw -I know it was edited from the original version of "The Convincer" and people who seem close to, or fans of, the Sprecher's, knock it pretty bad. Understandably, I guess in a way , but for most of us seeing it in the newer edit, like I said it's a good movie. Jus' sayin'.
    6TheGOLDENWALRUS

    cop out ending

    Very similar to Fargo we have Thin Ice. A cocky convincing insurance agent (Kinnear) thinks he's found his answer to all his problems when he finds out that after making a sale with a senile, lonely, old man (Arkin) that the old man has a violin worth thousands. Everything goes to plan to steal the violin until he meets a locksmith.

    So here's the thing. We have an engaging thriller. Each scene does an excellent job escalating keep you biting your fingernails. You don't think anything could get worst but it always seems to. In fact it's very awkward and nerve racking.

    Kinnear does an excellent job playing a sleazy salesman where at times literally steals and manipulate his clients. He's ahead of the game and for some reason we root for him. (Not sure about the unnecessary voice over) Arkin does an excellent job as the lovable elder man whom seems to only have a few years left in the tank. And then there is Billy Crudup, the crazy psychotic locksmith.

    I got to tell you I loved this film. Well that is until the last ten minutes which not only left my jaw drop in disgust but also to many critics. It completely ruins the great performances and tone of the film. In fact, I hated the ending.

    But all in all it was a good ride for a while.

    My rating: 5.75/10 or C+
    7blanche-2

    Fargo-esque in a way

    I have to say I really enjoyed "Thin Ice" even though it had a few problems. It certainly didn't have any cast problems: Greg Kinnear, who somehow always surprises me; Billy Crudup, whom I adore; and Alan Arkin, an absolute treasure. Also on hand were Lea Thompson, David Harbour, and Jennifer Edwards Hughes.

    The movie is compared to Fargo because it takes place in Wisconsin in the winter and the major theme is a guy doing something dishonest and getting in way over his head.

    The comparisons really stop there. This is a good movie on its own. It's not perfect but it is entertaining.

    Insurance agent Mickey (Greg Kinnear) is blackmailed by Locksmith Randy (Billy Crudup) over the theft of a valuable violin owned by Gorvy Hauer (Alan Arkin).

    Mickey (Kinnear) is an insurance man, and when we first see him, he's giving a lecture at an insurance convention. While he's there his wallet is stolen and of course, it contained credit cards. But he gets the wallet back with the cash gone and the cards intact.

    While he's at the convention, he meets a man, Bob Egan (Harbour) who hasn't taken his insurance exam yet. He has been offered a job with an unfavorable split; Mickey betters it and hires him.

    Bob is good at his job and introduces Mickey to a potential client, Gorvy (Arkin) who lives on a farm. He has tons of stuff, a lot of which is from his ill sister, and Bob wants him to have insurance. While he's there, Mickey sees an appraisal for a violin of Gorvy's. The appraisal is $25,000. Mickey decides to steal it.

    What follows is one complication after another, which involves Mickey with an ex-con (Crudup) and some other unpleasantness.

    Apparently this film was taken from the director and edited without his input. The film has imperfections, but the script by the Sprechers is good, possibly inspired by Fargo and a couple of other films.

    The acting was wonderful on all accounts, but I have to say Crudup was amazing. It was a showier role than Kinnear's, and though Arkin was excellent, I had seen him do that kind of thing before. Crudup as a bad-tempered sleaze was outstanding.

    Highly recommended. You can pick a film like this apart but it's so entertaining, why bother.

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    • Trivia
      At first titled The Convincer, the initial edit of the film was screened in January 2011 at the Sundance Film Festival. Distributors ATO and production company Werc Werk Works demanded that director/writer Jill Sprecher make sweeping changes to the film from the version shown at Sundance in order to speed the film up. The production company claimed that Sprecher "refused to be part of the process," while she stated she was never allowed to review the distributor's notes to make any comments on them. The revisions were made without her input, replacing the original composer, Alex Wurman, and the original editor, Stephen Mirrione. Sprecher was prevented from speaking to the press, but said she is "heartbroken and devastated," wanted to remove her name from the film, but was not allowed to do so. The completely re-cut film was retitled Thin Ice. Sprecher reportedly learned of the name through the Internet and not from the production company.

      The Convincer cut received generally positive reviews from critics at the Sundance Film Festival. The re-cut Thin Ice received uniformly negative responses ("disappointing," "poorly edited," "a stinker") after screenings at B-List festivals in October 2011. Thin Ice received positive responses from critics with a "fresh" rating of 69% on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 59 reviews. Following the further festival run, the film was released theatrically in February 2012.
    • Quotes

      [first lines]

      Mickey Prohaska: [narrating] There is a saying. Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see. Good advice. People will try to convince you of anything.

    • Alternate versions
      The film premiered out of competition at the 2011 Sundance Film Festival under its original title "The Convincer"; that version was edited by Stephen Mirrione and featured an original score by Alex Wurman and Bela Fleck. It was subsequently reedited by Lee Percy and re-scored by Jeff Danna. The new version has been retitled Thin Ice (2011)
    • Soundtracks
      Leave Our Worries
      Written by Christopher A. Corley and Jon D'Agostino

      Performed by Serendipity

      Published by Astonishing Music (BMI) /

      Music Expressions ASCAP

      Courtesy of Crucial Music

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    • Release date
      • October 1, 2013 (France)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Official site
      • ATO Pictures (United States)
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • The Convincer
    • Filming locations
      • Greyhound Station - 166 University Ave W, St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
    • Production companies
      • ATO Pictures
      • Werc Werk Works
      • Spare Room Productions
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    Box office

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    • Gross US & Canada
      • $790,421
    • Opening weekend US & Canada
      • $183,527
      • Feb 19, 2012
    • Gross worldwide
      • $790,421
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    • Runtime
      • 1h 33m(93 min)
    • Color
      • Color
    • Sound mix
      • Dolby Digital
    • Aspect ratio
      • 2.35 : 1

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