A generation of disaffected young men searches for meaning in the dark corners of the internet. TFW No GF examines the subculture through the metaphor of an iconic meme.A generation of disaffected young men searches for meaning in the dark corners of the internet. TFW No GF examines the subculture through the metaphor of an iconic meme.A generation of disaffected young men searches for meaning in the dark corners of the internet. TFW No GF examines the subculture through the metaphor of an iconic meme.
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You see what's in this documentary everyday when you've grown up with the internet. And not only does this doc cover the common mindsets and themes of this subculture well, it also sticks to the atmosphere of said subculture while explaining it. Its a painfully beautiful thing to see these people at these points in their lives but at least they're going through it together. But hey, we're all gonna make it. Right?
I actually never knew that a documentary like this existed. I later ended up having this playing in the background while working on the project. It turns out that the whole film is well produced and pretty much professionally made. I feel like the way it was edited has great form of quality and entertainment to the table. Additionally, I do find the overall topic for the documentary to be important due to how more complicated it has become overtime. On top of that, it can potentially spread to multiple people in society. It can also perhaps bring this topic to the older generations who are not super familiar with the community group online and make them understand the issue.
However, the biggest problem that I have with the documentary is the fact that they didn't interview enough people. I mean, having a number of people being interviewed in the film feels a bit underwhelming. I wish that we could hear from other people like professional psychologists or something like that. We would almost hear different sides of stories and allow the audience to decide what they believe in. For example, would they be empathizing more towards the ones who speak out about the issue or would they focus more on the stats and possible solutions? Otherwise, this documentary, to me, comes off a bit biased whether or not it's intentional.
However, the biggest problem that I have with the documentary is the fact that they didn't interview enough people. I mean, having a number of people being interviewed in the film feels a bit underwhelming. I wish that we could hear from other people like professional psychologists or something like that. We would almost hear different sides of stories and allow the audience to decide what they believe in. For example, would they be empathizing more towards the ones who speak out about the issue or would they focus more on the stats and possible solutions? Otherwise, this documentary, to me, comes off a bit biased whether or not it's intentional.
Interesting look at incels that isn't filtered through media sensationalism and fear mongering. Looks at the conditions that created the subculture and what the people inside actually have to say
It is novel that this documentary follows a few men in the incel subculture over a period of a few years, but the film is mostly lacking narrative or statement.
Instead, we are presented with a collage of clips platforming the subjects' ideas. They do offer some insightful thoughts about consumer culture and the way young men are expected to behave in our society, but the men also spread some blatantly misogynistic or racist ideology, the latter presented caged in a flimsy veneer of "satire" (a term which those in the subculture misinterpret to mean transgressing for the sake of transgressing, rather than using irony to make a larger point).
Personally, I felt that the misogyny and racism were brushed off too easily in favour of humanising the subjects. That may be the best approach for reconciling these sorts of men with society, but it means that we end up with a fairly shallow look into the subculture that only briefly references the hate and extremism it has generated. You get the impression that the incel community is mostly a place for commiseration and that those within it eventually graduate to more typical lives. This is probably true of many, maybe even most, but it still misses an important fact.
At one point, we see a brief clip from the Toronto Van Attack (an act of misogynist terrorism that took place in Canada's largest city in 2018), but its roots in incel fora are not explained at all. The perpetrator was a member of the incel community, and he and other domestic terrorists like him have been idolized in some incel circles since. One could argue that this film is about the less extreme members of the community, and that the hateful acts of extreme factions are for another movie. Frankly though, to me it feels irresponsible to spend so much time in the subculture without directly addressing the fact that it has spawned domestic terrorism.
My advice: give this one a miss. If you want to know more about the incel subculture, listen to the CBC podcast about the Toronto Van Attack, I found it much more enlightening.
Instead, we are presented with a collage of clips platforming the subjects' ideas. They do offer some insightful thoughts about consumer culture and the way young men are expected to behave in our society, but the men also spread some blatantly misogynistic or racist ideology, the latter presented caged in a flimsy veneer of "satire" (a term which those in the subculture misinterpret to mean transgressing for the sake of transgressing, rather than using irony to make a larger point).
Personally, I felt that the misogyny and racism were brushed off too easily in favour of humanising the subjects. That may be the best approach for reconciling these sorts of men with society, but it means that we end up with a fairly shallow look into the subculture that only briefly references the hate and extremism it has generated. You get the impression that the incel community is mostly a place for commiseration and that those within it eventually graduate to more typical lives. This is probably true of many, maybe even most, but it still misses an important fact.
At one point, we see a brief clip from the Toronto Van Attack (an act of misogynist terrorism that took place in Canada's largest city in 2018), but its roots in incel fora are not explained at all. The perpetrator was a member of the incel community, and he and other domestic terrorists like him have been idolized in some incel circles since. One could argue that this film is about the less extreme members of the community, and that the hateful acts of extreme factions are for another movie. Frankly though, to me it feels irresponsible to spend so much time in the subculture without directly addressing the fact that it has spawned domestic terrorism.
My advice: give this one a miss. If you want to know more about the incel subculture, listen to the CBC podcast about the Toronto Van Attack, I found it much more enlightening.
This may have been a sort-of grungy look into incel subculture and their rancid online homes. Unfortunately it'll have to be JUST a look, as all audio seems to be recorded on a 1987 walkman, and put into the documentary without levelling. Most of the people sound like they are in an _actual_ pit of despair, and speaking from the bottom while the mike is hung in another county. Combined with footage that wildly oscillates between 'fair' and 'filmed on a second hand iphone 5' this is borderline unwatchable and unusable as a podcast. How this got past selection on a fairly prestigious film festival is completely beyond me. It wouldn't even pass as a first-year filmclub test project.
Did you know
- ConnectionsReferenced in The Michael Knowles Show: American Psychos (2020)
- SoundtracksDriftwood
Written by Ariel Pink (as Ariel Rosenberg), Kenneth Gilmore, Tim Koh, Aaron Sperske
Performed by Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti
Courtesy of 4AD
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