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Too Much Johnson

  • 1938
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  • 1h 7m
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Joseph Cotten in Too Much Johnson (1938)
Comedy

A woman has two lovers. When one man finds out about the other, he acts as a villain and chases after the protagonist.A woman has two lovers. When one man finds out about the other, he acts as a villain and chases after the protagonist.A woman has two lovers. When one man finds out about the other, he acts as a villain and chases after the protagonist.

  • Director
    • Orson Welles
  • Writers
    • William Gillette
    • Orson Welles
  • Stars
    • Joseph Cotten
    • Virginia Nicolson
    • Edgar Barrier
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  • IMDb RATING
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    • Director
      • Orson Welles
    • Writers
      • William Gillette
      • Orson Welles
    • Stars
      • Joseph Cotten
      • Virginia Nicolson
      • Edgar Barrier
    • 15User reviews
    • 17Critic reviews
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    • Awards
      • 1 win total

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    Joseph Cotten
    Joseph Cotten
    • Augustus Billings
    Virginia Nicolson
    • Lenore Faddish
    • (as Anna Stafford)
    Edgar Barrier
    Edgar Barrier
    • Leon Dathis
    Arlene Francis
    Arlene Francis
    • Mrs. Clairette Dathis
    Ruth Ford
    Ruth Ford
    • Mrs. Billings
    Mary Wickes
    Mary Wickes
    • Mrs. Upton Battison
    Eustace Wyatt
    Eustace Wyatt
    • Francis Faddish
    Guy Kingsley Poynter
    • Henry MacIntosh
    • (as Guy Kingsley)
    George Duthie
    • Purser
    Orson Welles
    Orson Welles
    • Keystone Kop
    John Berry
    Marc Blitzstein
    • Extra
    Herbert Drake
    • Keystone Kop
    John Houseman
    John Houseman
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    Erskine Sanford
    • Frederick
    Howard Smith
    Howard Smith
    • Joseph Johnson
    Augusta Weissberger
    Richard Wilson
    • Cabin boy
    • Director
      • Orson Welles
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      • William Gillette
      • Orson Welles
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    7springfieldrental

    Hints of Orson Welles' Cinematic Greatness

    It's a misnomer to call Orson Welles' 1941 "Citizen Kane" his first movie he had ever directed. "Kane" was his first feature film, but prior to handling what is now recognized as cinema's top classic the young Welles had already notched four short movies under his directorship. His third, 1938's "Too Much Johnson" was his most ambitious of the four. Although not fully completed and is a silent, Welles' movie introduced many of the camera angles and editing techniques the director would use throughout his career.

    "Too Much Johnson" wasn't designed to stand alone. Welles, 23, was already a wunderkind on the Broadway stage as a director and on the radio as both an announcer and a writer. His forte was Shakespeare, but he also delved into contemporary as well as classical works. His repertory company called the Mercury Theatre, formed in 1936, consisted of a regular group of actors, including Joseph Cotton, Agnes Moorehead and Ray Collins, performing on the stage as well as in his dramatic radio presentations.

    "I think he was the greatest directorial talent we've ever had in the American theater," described Mercury actor Norman Lloyd. "When you saw a Welles production, you saw the text had been affected, the staging was remarkable, the sets were unusual, music, sound, lighting, a totality of everything."

    Welles always had a love for movies, and brought his imagination onto the screen first in a now lost 1933 'Twelfth Night' rehearsal sketch, then the following year in 'The Hearts of Age,' a school project with his wife Virginia Nicolson for the Todd School. In "Too Much Johnson," Welles designed his movie to be shown in three parts, interspersed with a stage production of the 1894 William Gillette comedy of the same name. The combination of a live show and a film harkened back to the vaudeville days when stage acts were interspersed with short silent films to make an evening's entertainment. Trouble was Welles' ambition to present the hybrid never came to fruition when he was planning to present it at the Stony Creek Theatre in Branford, Connecticut. The theater failed to secure a projector for "Too Much Johnson," so the audience saw only the play. Welles' failure to pay Paramount Pictures, who held the rights to Gillette's play, also put a halt to Orson's idea.

    If anything, creating "Too Much Johnson" was a good exercise in filmmaking for the young Welles. There are hints of the style of direction he would display three years later in "Citizen Kane." He places a number of shots with the camera aiming downward as well as several shots looking up on his subjects. His mix between close-ups and medium shots are also unusual. The movie took ten days to shoot, ripping through nearly 25,000 feet of film for the intended 40 minutes in length. "Orson had a wonderful time making the film," remembered future director John Berry, who was assisting Welles in the production. He recalled Welles editing the movie in his suite at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City when a fire broke out, "What I remember, most remarkably, is me running with the projector in my hand, burning, trying to get out of the door into the hallway while Orson, with absolutely no concern whatsoever, was back inside, standing and looking at some piece of film in his hand, smoking his pipe." After the failure to show "Too Much Johnson," Welles took what he had edited and other additional footage and placed it in storage. Welles later came across the movie thirty years later at his home in Spain. "I can't remember whether I had it all along and dug it out of the bottom of a trunk, or whether someone brought it to me, but there it was. I screened it, and it was in perfect condition, with not a scratch on it, as though it had only been through a projector once or twice before." A 1970 fire in his house destroyed that copy, and everyone thought the movie was lost until another copy was miraculously found in Italy.

    Welles was very busy during this period of his life. In his series on CBS Radio, 'The Mercury Theatre on the Air' broadcasted classical works dramatized over the airwaves. One episode Welles' produced was a radio adaptation of H. G. Wells' 'The War of the Worlds.' The broadcast simulated a fictional radio news report he and his cast gave on the October 30, 1938 show focused on the landing of Martian space ships. A number of listeners failed to hear the disclaimer at the beginning stating the broadcast was a dramatization of the Wells' novel on the Martian invasion of Earth, and became hysterical at the thought they were being attacked.

    Welles' worldwide fame bubbled overnight from the broadcast. Several Hollywood studios, already familiar with his inventiveness on the New York City stage, proposed lucrative offers to get him to produce movies. The most generous was RKO Pictures, consisting of a two-picture contract of any subject of his choice. He could write the script, produce, direct and act in the movies, and he was given the right to edit the movies' final cut. Welles signed with RKO on July 22, 1939, launching one of Hollywood's most unusual directorial and acting careers.
    7Quinoa1984

    a brief history of Johnson, and an overview of the TCM airing

    It's always a miracle when a lost film is discovered, or an unreleased one or whichever, and for those looking for the scraps of what Orson Welles left behind and have never been able to see, the most prized missing stuff is... The Magnificent Ambersons, of course! But among the films thought lost to the ashes of time, one of them was Too Much Johnson, an experimental work that Welles made in conjunction with a play by William Gillette. I haven't read the play, but I've read about it, and it basically concerns a man who goes to Cuba, but also has a dalliance of some kind with a woman. And then there's a chase, and wackiness ensues about infidelities and husbands and wives and so on.

    Actually, I may be confusing the play with what Welles filmed, which were, according to history, supposed to be bridging-segments during scene changes on stage. Also, Welles wanted to possibly try to convince Hollywood he could direct film - prior to this he'd done one really amateur short, The Hearts of Age, and this was either before or around the time that War of the Worlds happened, which got him his carte-blanch deal anyway - and what better way than to go another step further past his theatrical experiments (Macbeth with voodoo, Julius Caesar in modern dress) and make a true-blue independent film?

    The problem in seeing Too Much Johnson today are two-fold at least: 1) Welles never left behind a fully finished cut, even in the form of what the segments would've really looked like edited together for the stage hybrid, and 2) what the Turner Classic Movie channel decided to do (in conjunction I suppose with an Italian restoration from the discovered footage from 2013) is just throw on TV at the end of a Welles 100th birthday celebration... everything. One might get the wrong idea tuning in in the middle of the night (which is when it officially aired) trying to get a potential glimpse at the Boy Wonder a few years before Kane to see what kind of work he was capable of - AND think, without the proper research, that it's a completed feature. It isn't.

    What was shown on TCM is a work-print, basically anything that Welles and company shot; multiple takes included, many moments of Joseph Cotten just looking around or something taken a second time like characters on a horse carriage, and the coverage of angles. And, on top of this, the footage is scored with new music by some dude that is rather inappropriate, even for an unfinished product. If one is trying to watch it outside of the confines of stuffy film history, as, you know, an entertainment experience, it's all music that should be meant for some modern thriller (at best), NOT a Keystone Kops style comedy featuring the kind of set pieces that would later be emulated by Scooby Doo and Benny Hill.

    Now, this isn't to say it isn't without some interest to watch this or seek it out if you may have also DVR'd it or, by chance, it finds its way online or whatever: Welles clearly shows, years before he met Greg Toland and the legend of the "You can learn everything about filmmaking in a few hours", that he already knew where to put the camera and direct actors. This isn't to say it all works; even the segments where things do cut together cohesively, it all moves super fast and oddly, and most of what's shown is just an extended chase (again, bridging the gaps of the play and experimenting).

    But if you are looking at this and want to see some fun material, certainly Cotten in the lead, and women players Arlene Francis, Mary Wickes and Edgar Barrier (complete with giant mustache), plus Welles' wife at the time Virginia Nicholson, deliver on physical comedy, BIG expressions and gestures, and Welles accomplishes a lot of very daring physical feats and action. That he got away with so much - I don't know if they had those things called 'film permits' back in 1938 - is nothing short of remarkable. And considering how jumbled things are put together like this, I was surprised how much I COULD tell was going on.

    But, again, all of the context about what this was counts. Watching this is for historical, cinephile-like, Welles-junkie reasons most of all. Compared to what's presented here, It's All True is a whole product. You're basically getting a series of glimpses into what was already apparent about this filmmaker, of his sense of play and imagination and just trying things out (a sequence involving knocking off hats, and how each man comes together to form a gang, is hilarious even in this rough form). If you go into it thinking it's a full feature you'll not merely be mistaken, you'll probably want to turn it off before it ends out of the monotony of multiple shots and jarring takes (plus raw footage that wasn't quite cleaned up).

    So, needless to say, at 66 minutes long (!) this may be, ahem, too much Johnson, and whoever chose the music should be ashamed of themselves. But in this world where his unfinished works have attained a legend of their own, it's another piece of the puzzle. Last thing, though you may see a '7 out of 10', I really give no rating to this, as it wouldn't be fair - akin to grading a student film.
    5elect_michael

    1st Orson Welles & 1st Joseph Cotten Film Ever

    5 of 10 stars. This movie is worth watching as it is the 1st Film that Orson Welles ever Directed, and it is the only Silent Film he ever Directed; and it's the 1st Film that Joseph Cotten ever starred in, and the only Silent Film he ever starred in. And we know what they became, Welles, one of the most celebrated Director's in history; and Cotten having a great Acting career.

    The film is mainly unedited, so I have scenes back to back, Cotten coming around the corner...then Cotten coming around the corner. So keep this in mind when you watch it, it's not a mistake or a bad copy you are watching...it's unedited. So keep that in mind.

    It is filmed and Directed good, some of the shots and uses of shadows are extremely good, shots that aren't at a 90 degree or straight angle, all the stuff we now know about Welles that came later.

    Cotten does a good job too, has a good physical presence that works in a Silent Film. It was only 3 years later that he starred alongside Orson Welles in the Welles Directed Masterpiece 'Citizen Kane'; and the year following Citizen Kane, Cotten starred in the Orson Welles Directed Masterpiece 'The Magnificent Ambersons'. It all happened so quick.

    At the end of the day this is just an average film, and a film that Welles and Cotten never thought would go unedited; but it's a must see as it is a 1st for both, and an 'only' Silent for both.
    Michael_Elliott

    Hard to Judge a Workprint

    Too Much Johnson (1938)

    Orson Welles shot this film three years before CITIZEN KANE and it was never publicly shown. Welles had a print of the film but when he died he believed the only copy had burned in a fire but much later another print did turn up. Currently this film is available in a 66-minute workprint version as well as an edited 34-minute version, which apparently contains intertitles. It's worth pointing out that Welles himself never edited his "version" of the film.

    Since I just viewed the workprint there's really no point in "reviewing" the film because what I viewed was pretty much every bit of footage that remains of the movie. When this was shown on Turner Classic Movies they decided to show this version because, I'm guessing, it contained the most footage and I'm sure most Welles fans wanted to see everything that was shot. The story itself is pretty simple as a man (Edgar Barrier) learns that the woman he loves is seeing another man (Joseph Cotten). Throughout the film Barrier chases Cotten around trying to catch him.

    This was shot silent and was obviously a homage to the likes of Keystone and especially Harold Lloyd. Fans of the silent cinema will certainly want to watch this but those expecting to see something here that would predict the talent of Welles would eventually make something like CITIZEN KANE are going to be disappointed. Again, it's impossible to really judge a workprint but there are a few interesting things scattered throughout but I personally didn't see anything that would show early greatness from the director.

    I thought the performances were quite good and especially Cotten who really does look like a silent film star. He manages to run around, climb buildings and fall over is a very believable and at times funny manor that really reminds you of some of the silent greats. The Lloyd influence is obvious. The film contains some good cinematography but without any intertitles it's really hard to follow the story. Perhaps the shorter, edited version takes care of this. As is, TOO MUCH JOHNSON is a film that Welles fans will want to watch but if you're unfamiliar with the genius then it would be best to start somewhere else first.
    7HEFILM

    GOD AWFUL MUSIC but good material

    This is a rough assembly of the footage--a cut down version could pretty easily be made and why no one bothered to do so or TCM didn't show a version like that if it exists is a shame. There is much more movie here than I expecting---having heard about this film for years, I thought it would be a few short sequences of only a few shots each, not such an elaborate chase sequence.

    Most of the material is in very good shape--not scratched or marked up, there is one section that is badly damaged but most of it is clean and clear. Joseph Cotton does most of his own stunts and some of these rival those of Keaton, Chaplin, Lyold and this is no small feat.

    But what you are watching is not a finished film so the fact that much of it is quite funny and impressive and done on a pretty large scale of probably "stolen' locations makes it captivating---if you turn off the god awful music--which you can easily do. What were they thinking putting this music on the film it's terrible vaguely European sounding Philip Glass rip off stuff. Really unbearable.

    Also rather poor, but perhaps intentionally so, is the opening sequence shot on a set that is clearly being lit by the sun--as an early early silent film would be, and this may be done on purpose. This scene sets up the rest of the film and does feature funny performances and a bit with a blowing plant.

    Despite this being a silent comedy it also features some very fast cutting at times and shows--as you can see in his later films--some lack of a sense of screen direction. Characters who are supposed to be talking to each other are looking the wrong direction--this may well be a factor of parts being shot separately and with different people behind the camera. There is real filmmaking here in what was supposed to just be filler for a stage production--I've seen stage shows do this type of thing with filmed sections and rarely are they this elaborate even today.

    So let's get someone to cut this down, by about a third, put in a few titles to explain roughly what is missing in between sections and put on some good music and it would fill an interesting gap in Welles filmography as he never did a silent film elsewhere or an outright comedy.

    Joseph Cotton fans should also take note of this film too, it's not just for Welles completest.

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      Orson Welles shot this film as part of an experiment in using film as part of a stage production of William Gillette's farce. Unfortunately, the film was never shown publicly because, though Welles had legally arranged for the right to stage Gillette's copyrighted play, the movie rights were held by Paramount, which took out an injunction to prevent Welles from showing the film.
    • Alternate versions
      This film was published in Italy in an DVD anthology entitled "Troppo Johnson", distributed by DNA Srl. The film has been re-edited with the contribution of the film history scholar Riccardo Cusin . This version is also available in streaming on some platforms.
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      • December 1, 2013 (France)
    • Country of origin
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    • Language
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