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Waco: Madman or Messiah

  • TV Mini Series
  • 2018
  • TV-14
  • 1h 30m
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7.5/10
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Waco: Madman or Messiah (2018)
Documentary

Told by survivors, news clips and audio recordings of David Koresh. It tells the story of how he rose to power as their "prophet" and then fell from glory in the standoff and fire that made ... Read allTold by survivors, news clips and audio recordings of David Koresh. It tells the story of how he rose to power as their "prophet" and then fell from glory in the standoff and fire that made history.Told by survivors, news clips and audio recordings of David Koresh. It tells the story of how he rose to power as their "prophet" and then fell from glory in the standoff and fire that made history.

  • Stars
    • Mike Caruso
    • Chris Urquhart
    • Elizabeth Stuart-Morris
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    • Stars
      • Mike Caruso
      • Chris Urquhart
      • Elizabeth Stuart-Morris
    • 12User reviews
    • 1Critic review
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      • 1 nomination total

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    Mike Caruso
    Mike Caruso
    • David Koresh
    • 2018
    Chris Urquhart
    • Byron Sage
    • 2018
    Elizabeth Stuart-Morris
    • Kat Schroeder
    • 2018
    John Marcucci
    • Robert Rodriguez
    • 2018
    Abbie McDonald
    Abbie McDonald
    • Young Heather Jones
    • 2018
    Fabricio Prado
    • Marc Breault
    • 2018
    Stephane Blaine
    • Dick Deguerin
    • 2018
    Judith Baylin-Stern
    • Lois Roden
    • 2018
    Reece Presley
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    • Steve Schneider
    • 2018
    Charles Cameron
    • Young David Koresh
    • 2018
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    • Livingstone Fagan
    • 2018
    David Rozen
    • David Jones
    • 2018
    Massimo Alfano
    • George Roden
    • 2018
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    • Kathy Jones
    • 2018
    André Latour
    • Jim McGee
    • 2018
    Juliette Messier
    • Michelle Jones
    • 2018
    Carolyne Rhéaume
    • Judy Schneider
    • 2018
    Michael Lake
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    • Graeme Craddock
    • 2018
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    1lysergic-acid

    FOX-News-style "fair and balanced" documentary about the Waco incident

    The BBC typically produces pretty high quality documentaries. Unlike Discovery/History Channel, they tend to be more informational, better researched and less sensational.

    Waco: Madman or Messiah starts off alright, providing well-corroborated background on the Branch Davidians and David Koresh. However, towards the end of part 1, things start going downhill. It starts with cheesy graphics and music to play up the Seven Seals nonsense that Koresh spouted. But what's really unforgiveable is how, in part 2, they turn a well-documented and heavily investigated event into a subjective, he-said/she-said, "pick your own facts" story.

    Air time in part 2 is heavily skewed towards the Branch Davidians and their sympathizers who make multiple false claims. They do also interview a negotiator and a member of the tactical team. However, the false claims made by the Branch Davidians are never addressed, even on key facts like whether the ATF went in guns blazing and would have killed all the women and children if the Branch Davidians hadn't "defended themselves" as the Branch Davidians claim or if the Branch Davidians had shot the ATF first, causing them to return fire as they rescued their injured colleagues (several of whom died).

    This is a really well studied and heavily litigated incident. So there would have been tons of evidence based on ballistics, the footage from numerous TV crews, police reports and interviews, etc. But instead of actually figuring out what happened, the BBC chose to leave out all the direct evidence, giving each side equal weight in the program.

    They don't even mention the fact that the Brand Davidians started the fire (arson investigators found that the fire started simultaneously in three separate parts of the building, and arson detection dogs alerted to the presence of chemical accelerants at each of these locations). Contemporaneous news reports didn't have access to these facts, but decades later the BBC did and simply chose to conceal it to make their documentary more open-ended.

    This whitewashing of the Branch Davidians as harmless religious eccentrics who were innocent victims of jackbooted government thugs is extremely dangerous. The documentary makers know full well how dangerous this is given that they showed footage of Timothy McVeigh, the KKK and other far-right anti-government crazies rallying in support of the Branch Davidians during the siege. But they still chose to promulgate the surviving Branch Davidians' false narrative.
    8paul2001sw-1

    A view from the inside

    When an apocalyptic cult arms themselves with a huge stockpile of automatic weapons, things are never likely to end well. Nonetheless, the siege of Waco, which ended in a terrible fire resulting in the death of David Koresh and sixt followers, might have turned out better, if not for the gung-ho attitude of the law enforcement agencies. That's the take home message from 'Waco: Madman or Messiah', a documentary which reconstructs the events with the aid of testimony from witnesses and survivors. In places it's repetitive, and it would have benefitted from the participation of more senior members of the authorities to justify their decision making - it feels as if that part of the story is missing. One thing that's amazing is that several of the latter remain faithful to their former leader, even though he seems to have been a monster with no conventionally redeeming qualities, beyond, of course, his claim to be God. The broader message is the tragedy of a highly-armed society: the United States has no monopoly on lunactics, but there is something uniquely American about this story.
    10generationofswine

    An Honest Review

    Wow, this is shockingly fair. Fair as in it doesn't point fingers exclusively at Koresh and it doesn't point fingers exclusively at the ATF and the government. It takes time to cover BOTH sides of the conflict with the same grace and poise.

    It's honestly the first Documentary on it that I have seen that doesn't totally blame Koresh. It's the first time that I have seen people come on and actually defend him. Don't get me wrong, he is still a wack job, but this is the first time I've seen anyone offer a defense for him, and a relatively good one.

    It leaves you with the feeling that, yeah, they needed to take it down because of child abuse alone, but the ATF over-stepped it's boundaries to the point of violating their rights.

    It leaves you with the feeling that both sides were absolutely wrong, and, honestly, you don't often get that with this subject.
    10nsrporfirio

    Absolutely gripping

    This event had great media coverage not just in the USA, in Portugal we had the opportunity to follow the siege on TV. I had 20 yo by that time, more or less the same age of most Branch Davidians, I followed it on the news and I can tell that this event stayed with me for all these years as one of the most dramatic and horrible things I have ever saw. I tried to watch the mini series but it´s not as gripping as this amazing documentary that doesn´t take sides and efficientely show us both sides with real people and real emotions and that can not be paired by any tv show. This is a great work from everyone involved and not an easy task for sure to bring up all of this memories with the survivors. Congratulations not just for the superior work but also for one thing that remains after two days of watching the doco, its a doubt...

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    7mat-fletcher

    Lurches from one extreme to the other

    The producers went to great lengths to condemn the Davidians, repeating many of the falsehoods and smears that were used to initiate this debacle in the first place but they also try hard to be sympathetic to the children.

    Not once did they seem to seem to question the principle concern with this event - The government invented a reason to raid this group of people and then they shot them and burned them alive and for what?

    The government deployed a troop of M2 Bradely Armoured Fighting Vehicles, AFV's against a bunch of families, helicopters, snipers, about a battalion sized element of government agents against a bunch of bible bashing families who appeared to have been no danger to anyone.

    About the only genuine crime that seems to have been carried out by Koresh was that he may have had improper relations with teenage girls. Why on earth then was he not arrested and tried before a jury of his peers? When did raiding a property, shooting first, bringing in tanks and burning them all alive become a proportional response?

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      Based on the same real-life events as Waco: The Rules of Engagement (1997), Waco: The Inside Story (1995), Revelations of Waco (2018), Waco (2015), Secrets of Waco (2017), The Secrets of Waco (2018), Truth and Lies: Waco (2018), Waco (2015), Waco: A New Revelation (2000), Waco: Clive Doyle (2018), Waco, the Big Lie (1993), Waco (2018) and In the Line of Duty: Ambush in Waco (1993).

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      • January 28, 2018 (United States)
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      • 1h 30m(90 min)
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