Loose Change: Second Edition

The point here is not about if the this film proved anything or if there really is a conspiracy. I think what the filmmakers were trying to say is that why all the concealed evidence? If the gov't has got nothing to hide then why can't we see all the evidence that we the American public has a right to. So, I have to say it is very respectable of them to dedicate this film in memory of those perished in 9-11 because, the victims out of everyone has the right to know what really happened and to be honest the gov't haven't shown us everything.

I can't say everything in this film made sense but at least, some of it is very convincing. This film has raised a lot of good questions. The American public has a right to know every answer to every question that this film has raised. Like why the small explosions in the Twin Towers after the planes have hit? I'd say that is pretty suspicious. Also, where are the bodies of the passengers for the other two planes? Why can't we hear the evidence from the black boxes on the planes? I'm not saying there is any conspiracy here but I think we have a right to know.

For those of you who's seen Farenhite 911. I'd say these two films could be linked together. If you knew what the Bush family has invested in the middle east then you know that is a big enough motivation for them to kill anyone in this world. That's why the old Bush went to war in the middle east and then the young Bush went to war in the middle east. No other president in US history has gone to war in the middle east. Why? Use your brains people. Where does all of Bush's money come from? Not from US tax payers thats for sure. Their money comes from the Saudi Royal Family who just happens to be good friends with Bin Laden. Where does Dick Cheaney's money come from? His money comes from his company that invests in communications of the troops in the middle east and home. Every time there's a war his stocks go up. People kill for money. It's plain and simple. We see it everyday in the news around us. For those of you that don't believe someone in our gov't with power won't kill for money. Then I'd say you need get out of your fairytale world and wake up. If you can make a billion dollars and you need to kill 3000 people in order to do it and you had the power to cover it up and no one would ever find out it's you until your dead would you do it? I'd say a lot of people would. Those of you that say you wouldn't because you never had that kind of power. Power is corruption. Wake up people.

Last but not least for those of you who is dissing this film I bet you don't know anyone that has died because of 9-11 and you don't have a son fighting in Iraq. Because if you do you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this film. You would use your mind and heart and question if all this is worth my loved ones to die for. Is this all worth something? Just ask yourself that question.

I have read with interest, the majority of comments with regard to this documentary, and am not astonished to see that many are affected (adversely or otherwise) by the work of what I can only speculate to be a talented film director in the making.

Respectfully and contextually (this is IMDb not Tiananmen Square...), the subject matter is of secondary importance to me. This yarn has good guys, bad guys and a narrative - the basis of all good theatre.

What's eminently apparent from watching 'Loose Change 2E' is that the goal of building a coherent message (however 'alternative') is achieved with just enough professionalism so as to render it instantly plausible. This plausibility is perhaps not altogether factually credible, but it doesn't need to be - it serves to fuel our natural penchant for inquisition, seeking flaws and continuity errors and offering us the status-laden opportunity to claim bragging rights with our peers as a result.

The narrator asks for answers to well considered questions with effective use of sarcasm, but my main criticism is that it sadly falls into the trap of open subjectivism when giving direct opinion later on. This wasn't necessary as the implication was already palpable and the message already well developed. However, the effective delivery of narration coupled with a well considered backing track combine to make this a very watchable and interesting production.

In terms of the actual content, I ask only what the consequences would be if the events of 9/11 were independently and formally investigated and this line of argument proved to be actually true?? What if they are right??

It seems to me people are too quick to dismiss a movie like Loose Change as crazy conspiracy rubbish. Opinions contrary to widely held perceptions are always met with resistance. In this case, to accept what Loose Change suggests is to acknowledge that your government doesn't serve the people after all, but only its own secret agenda, and that voters are just a necessary inconvenience in some sort of twisted Orwellian world we never knew we were part of, that need to manipulated to bring them around to accept the rhetoric of the day. Crazy? In all honesty this is similar to most religions that also require blind obedience. For whatever reason there are many who think their leaders deserve their unquestioning, unwavering faith and trust, to accept everything and anything that is thrust upon them as necessary and true. The path of least resistance is always the easiest and most secure, but, alas, not always right.

That said, the fact is that much of what Loose Change describes probably is crazy conspiracy rubbish. What it offers is merely an alternative explanation that fits the facts - something that the "official account" doesn't seem to do all that well. Even if 99% of the material in Loose Change is utter garbage, what about that remaining 1%? Doesn't that deserve your attention? Alternatively, if you feel 99% of the official account is true, what about that last 1% that just doesn't fit the data? Like all theories (including scientific ones), Loose Change will undoubtedly need to be tweaked or even completely overhauled to fit any new or contradictory information as it comes to light. Why is that such a problem? Does the official account offer that sort of flexibility?

Who knows what really happened on 9/11, but it seems fairly clear that certain parties besides the hijackers knew what was going down.

So let me get this straight. Bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9-11 and the tapes where he claims so were faked? He was a patsy as were the 19 hijackers who are alive and well running convenience stores somewhere? The planes that crashed didn't, were drones instead, the real planes and passengers having been whisked off somewhere. The taped calls from the planes were faked.

The disguised substitutions were because we could better blow up the Pentagon. Oh no, that's not right because despite using special drones which could carry explosives, other explosives were carefully set in the twin towers.

And the proof of that is... that the structural collapse of the buildings when structure was removed by melting (in the most studied structural collapse in history) looks a lot like like the structural collapse of buildings where structure was removed by tiny explosive charges.

And this master plan was carried out by an administration that otherwise cannot competently make a ham sandwich? And it is being kept secret in an administration that is the leakiest in history with even long-standing patriots in the NSA rebelling against the president? And the whole thing was done to make money on a stock market which lost a trillion dollars in the days after the attacks? I recommend you see this. I do. Its because it helps illustrate the sheer lunacy of belief. When people want to believe something, no fact, no confrontation with logic or reality will deter that belief, rationalizations and explanations growing to immense complexity. Blind spots enlarge to nearly the entire field of vision.

Its an absolutely amazing phenomenon and it makes you wonder what beliefs you hold yourself that have some conspiratorial agency. This silly, offensive thing really did make me wonder if there is someone somewhere who knows me to be as stupid in some of my assumptions as I think these guys are.

The funny thing is that administrations do lie. And they do cover up. And they do get caught. But when they get caught it is because the truth is so obvious and the motive so clear any other explanation just wouldn't make much sense. Johnson lied about Tonkin in order to intervene in Vietnam, for instance. The Air Force lied about UFOs to cover up a secret cold war balloon project.

Why do people insist on grand conspiracies? I suppose it is a deep need for order in the world. If something happens, someone must have caused it. If there is an event, it must be part of some powerful plan we can only dimly see. If you prefer not to believe in a God that is actively pulling the strings, then the next best thing is a secret cabal of all-powerful humans (or alternatively aliens) that is centralized, whole and incredibly omniscient.

And where do these ideas come from? Well, increasingly these days they are coming from movies, which spin tales of noir manipulators, gods on earth. So in a way, this horror movie is simply one of a group that we absorb to help us cope with what we feel we must believe.

Terrifying.

Ted's Evaluation -- 2 of 3: Has some interesting elements.

OK first of all for most of the US citizens who are willfully ignorant about how the country is run these days (which is mostly everybody), watch the documentary "why we fight" (2006). This will open your eyes to a lot of irrefutable knowledge and evidence about how we are being sold out as a country by greedy corporate neo-con bastards. After you take all that in, watch loose change, and maybe "terrorstorm" by Alex Jones. Loose Change is a pretty good sophomore effort from 22 year Dylan Avery. There's a lot of good info there, but at the same time there is are a few questionable supposed "facts" that they skew. However, over all, i enjoyed the film to say the least. It had a good soundtrack and was fairly well pieced together (without the help of a professional studio which is amazing). watch it before you talk sh*t, that is all i ask.