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Obviously, EVERYTHING should be taken loosely, especially when it comes to events as sensitive as 9/11 -- but I am shocked at how many people are choosing to not even question one ounce of what happened that particular day. It's exactly why America is in the state it's in -- no one wants to "rock the boat" or see another point of view, even if it means effecting an event that forever rocked our security as a nation.
I am further shocked that the people who are so quick to disregard even an ounce of this information haven't even bothered to research "the lies" even a little. If even 1/3 of what is said in the movie is true, isn't that enough to further investigate?
I am further shocked that the people who are so quick to disregard even an ounce of this information haven't even bothered to research "the lies" even a little. If even 1/3 of what is said in the movie is true, isn't that enough to further investigate?
Video and film allow vast numbers of our citizenry to gather around our intentions while discovering the best or worst of our nation. The possibility of conspiracy on 9/11 is one of those ideas that will continue to incite more and more discussion as time goes by. So much of the 9/11 Truth movement makes total and logical sense. Many of those ideas are certainly in error. But, many are not. As with any disputed historical event, there will be those who deny any truth to a new theory, especially one as foreboding as this one, and those who will believe in conspiracy, no matter the evidence to the contrary. For those who watch "Loose Change" with an open mind," I suggest going to: www.911scholarsfortruth.org for a detailed and evolving discussion of the alternate possibilities. Videos such as "Loose Change" cannot cover the entire subject, nor will it ultimately force the government to conduct a totally unbiased and complete investigation (most of the evidence at ground zero has been destroyed anyway). As usual, only time and sincere scholarly legwork may eventually reveal to us to what really happened that day. For now, however, those of us who find grave gaps in the official investigation must continue to question the intent of a government that desperately needed a "Pearl Harbor" level excuse to once again invade the Middle East. Whether this disturbing video contains truth or not, it should be considered amid all the other explanations by anyone who seeks a personal truth amid the mountains of data now available on the internet. To question the official version of this event IS a patriotic act. To allow your government the luxury of unquestioning loyalty is to allow those in power the luxury of corruption. This was not the intent of our founders.
- jcook56050
- 1 juil. 2007
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- mauricio5and
- 5 sept. 2006
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I know what people are thinking, another documentary based on conspiracy theories, but just for one minute ask yourselves, why are there so many of these films (documentaries) barking up the same tree?, maybe, just maybe there's some fact in what is being told. Also remember most if not all of these films are made by Americans not by outsiders and as a result of the attacks on the Twin Towers 100,000 Iraqis' have perished, and now in Britain the US and majority of the world the war is being called illegal but we cry for the 179 soldiers (UK) that have died out there fighting for their country but not for one minute do we realise the chaos and death we have caused.
Watch it with an open mind and question it but if you have already come to a conclusion that this film is a farce then avoid it and God help you.
Watch it with an open mind and question it but if you have already come to a conclusion that this film is a farce then avoid it and God help you.
- jafar_nazir
- 29 nov. 2009
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The point here is not about if the this film proved anything or if there really is a conspiracy. I think what the filmmakers were trying to say is that why all the concealed evidence? If the gov't has got nothing to hide then why can't we see all the evidence that we the American public has a right to. So, I have to say it is very respectable of them to dedicate this film in memory of those perished in 9-11 because, the victims out of everyone has the right to know what really happened and to be honest the gov't haven't shown us everything.
I can't say everything in this film made sense but at least, some of it is very convincing. This film has raised a lot of good questions. The American public has a right to know every answer to every question that this film has raised. Like why the small explosions in the Twin Towers after the planes have hit? I'd say that is pretty suspicious. Also, where are the bodies of the passengers for the other two planes? Why can't we hear the evidence from the black boxes on the planes? I'm not saying there is any conspiracy here but I think we have a right to know.
For those of you who's seen Farenhite 911. I'd say these two films could be linked together. If you knew what the Bush family has invested in the middle east then you know that is a big enough motivation for them to kill anyone in this world. That's why the old Bush went to war in the middle east and then the young Bush went to war in the middle east. No other president in US history has gone to war in the middle east. Why? Use your brains people. Where does all of Bush's money come from? Not from US tax payers thats for sure. Their money comes from the Saudi Royal Family who just happens to be good friends with Bin Laden. Where does Dick Cheaney's money come from? His money comes from his company that invests in communications of the troops in the middle east and home. Every time there's a war his stocks go up. People kill for money. It's plain and simple. We see it everyday in the news around us. For those of you that don't believe someone in our gov't with power won't kill for money. Then I'd say you need get out of your fairytale world and wake up. If you can make a billion dollars and you need to kill 3000 people in order to do it and you had the power to cover it up and no one would ever find out it's you until your dead would you do it? I'd say a lot of people would. Those of you that say you wouldn't because you never had that kind of power. Power is corruption. Wake up people.
Last but not least for those of you who is dissing this film I bet you don't know anyone that has died because of 9-11 and you don't have a son fighting in Iraq. Because if you do you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this film. You would use your mind and heart and question if all this is worth my loved ones to die for. Is this all worth something? Just ask yourself that question.
I can't say everything in this film made sense but at least, some of it is very convincing. This film has raised a lot of good questions. The American public has a right to know every answer to every question that this film has raised. Like why the small explosions in the Twin Towers after the planes have hit? I'd say that is pretty suspicious. Also, where are the bodies of the passengers for the other two planes? Why can't we hear the evidence from the black boxes on the planes? I'm not saying there is any conspiracy here but I think we have a right to know.
For those of you who's seen Farenhite 911. I'd say these two films could be linked together. If you knew what the Bush family has invested in the middle east then you know that is a big enough motivation for them to kill anyone in this world. That's why the old Bush went to war in the middle east and then the young Bush went to war in the middle east. No other president in US history has gone to war in the middle east. Why? Use your brains people. Where does all of Bush's money come from? Not from US tax payers thats for sure. Their money comes from the Saudi Royal Family who just happens to be good friends with Bin Laden. Where does Dick Cheaney's money come from? His money comes from his company that invests in communications of the troops in the middle east and home. Every time there's a war his stocks go up. People kill for money. It's plain and simple. We see it everyday in the news around us. For those of you that don't believe someone in our gov't with power won't kill for money. Then I'd say you need get out of your fairytale world and wake up. If you can make a billion dollars and you need to kill 3000 people in order to do it and you had the power to cover it up and no one would ever find out it's you until your dead would you do it? I'd say a lot of people would. Those of you that say you wouldn't because you never had that kind of power. Power is corruption. Wake up people.
Last but not least for those of you who is dissing this film I bet you don't know anyone that has died because of 9-11 and you don't have a son fighting in Iraq. Because if you do you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this film. You would use your mind and heart and question if all this is worth my loved ones to die for. Is this all worth something? Just ask yourself that question.
It seems to me people are too quick to dismiss a movie like Loose Change as crazy conspiracy rubbish. Opinions contrary to widely held perceptions are always met with resistance. In this case, to accept what Loose Change suggests is to acknowledge that your government doesn't serve the people after all, but only its own secret agenda, and that voters are just a necessary inconvenience in some sort of twisted Orwellian world we never knew we were part of, that need to manipulated to bring them around to accept the rhetoric of the day. Crazy? In all honesty this is similar to most religions that also require blind obedience. For whatever reason there are many who think their leaders deserve their unquestioning, unwavering faith and trust, to accept everything and anything that is thrust upon them as necessary and true. The path of least resistance is always the easiest and most secure, but, alas, not always right.
That said, the fact is that much of what Loose Change describes probably is crazy conspiracy rubbish. What it offers is merely an alternative explanation that fits the facts - something that the "official account" doesn't seem to do all that well. Even if 99% of the material in Loose Change is utter garbage, what about that remaining 1%? Doesn't that deserve your attention? Alternatively, if you feel 99% of the official account is true, what about that last 1% that just doesn't fit the data? Like all theories (including scientific ones), Loose Change will undoubtedly need to be tweaked or even completely overhauled to fit any new or contradictory information as it comes to light. Why is that such a problem? Does the official account offer that sort of flexibility?
Who knows what really happened on 9/11, but it seems fairly clear that certain parties besides the hijackers knew what was going down.
That said, the fact is that much of what Loose Change describes probably is crazy conspiracy rubbish. What it offers is merely an alternative explanation that fits the facts - something that the "official account" doesn't seem to do all that well. Even if 99% of the material in Loose Change is utter garbage, what about that remaining 1%? Doesn't that deserve your attention? Alternatively, if you feel 99% of the official account is true, what about that last 1% that just doesn't fit the data? Like all theories (including scientific ones), Loose Change will undoubtedly need to be tweaked or even completely overhauled to fit any new or contradictory information as it comes to light. Why is that such a problem? Does the official account offer that sort of flexibility?
Who knows what really happened on 9/11, but it seems fairly clear that certain parties besides the hijackers knew what was going down.
I agree with several of the critics here that some of the allegations in this movie are preposterous. However, many of the people that has given the film such bad reviews seems to be the same danish guy over and over again. I cannot be a coincidence that several guys with danish sounding usernames have commented on the same movies in quite a number of incarnations.
The claim made by most critics is that the US government has high morals enough not to kill any of its own citizens. Even though many thousands US soldiers died in WW2, 58 000 US troops died in Vietnam, a number of US troops are still dying in Afghanistan and Iraq as we speak.
These are people, human beings, US citizens that dies because of decisions made by the US government. Inevitable you might say, but nothing is inevitable. Ever.
There are endless records where governments deceive their own population in order to mass support behind a war. It has been true in Nazi-Germany, in the U.K., in France during WW2, in Rwanda, Congo, Burma/Myanmar...
Check out Operation Northwoods and make up your own mind. It's on Wikipedia. Check out Operation Ajax, the CIA assisted coup in Chile 1973, the Iran-Contras deal, Nurse Nayirah in Gulf War I, the genocide that didn't take place in former Yugoslavia.
All which directly or indirectly have taken American lives. Do not think that you are spared.
As far as the movie goes, it is poorly referenced, some of the truths told are complete nonsense or exaggerations, but there are still things that DO NOT ADD UP in the official story.
I hope that you will watch this movie and make up your own mind. We learn from history that we have not learned from history. Sometimes the ignorance must stop, even in the greatest democracy of them all, selfrighteous pads on the back or not.
The claim made by most critics is that the US government has high morals enough not to kill any of its own citizens. Even though many thousands US soldiers died in WW2, 58 000 US troops died in Vietnam, a number of US troops are still dying in Afghanistan and Iraq as we speak.
These are people, human beings, US citizens that dies because of decisions made by the US government. Inevitable you might say, but nothing is inevitable. Ever.
There are endless records where governments deceive their own population in order to mass support behind a war. It has been true in Nazi-Germany, in the U.K., in France during WW2, in Rwanda, Congo, Burma/Myanmar...
Check out Operation Northwoods and make up your own mind. It's on Wikipedia. Check out Operation Ajax, the CIA assisted coup in Chile 1973, the Iran-Contras deal, Nurse Nayirah in Gulf War I, the genocide that didn't take place in former Yugoslavia.
All which directly or indirectly have taken American lives. Do not think that you are spared.
As far as the movie goes, it is poorly referenced, some of the truths told are complete nonsense or exaggerations, but there are still things that DO NOT ADD UP in the official story.
I hope that you will watch this movie and make up your own mind. We learn from history that we have not learned from history. Sometimes the ignorance must stop, even in the greatest democracy of them all, selfrighteous pads on the back or not.
- mathiaswce
- 6 nov. 2006
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This is a well done and entertaining film/documentary.
Whether you believe every single word said on it, or you don't at all. You wont get bored, since this a very interesting presentation of another point of view of the events of 9/11. Maybe some very specific facts can be wrong, but that doesn't means this movie is not worth watching. I would recommend this film, since you can watch it for free from different sources through the internet.
I am amazed by number of Reviews rating this movie with 1, that I actually consider the possibility of people being paid to rate it that way. Eg. Look How most of the negative reviews are twice or three times longer than the positive ones...
Whether you believe every single word said on it, or you don't at all. You wont get bored, since this a very interesting presentation of another point of view of the events of 9/11. Maybe some very specific facts can be wrong, but that doesn't means this movie is not worth watching. I would recommend this film, since you can watch it for free from different sources through the internet.
I am amazed by number of Reviews rating this movie with 1, that I actually consider the possibility of people being paid to rate it that way. Eg. Look How most of the negative reviews are twice or three times longer than the positive ones...
- madferret96
- 30 juil. 2008
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I have read with interest, the majority of comments with regard to this documentary, and am not astonished to see that many are affected (adversely or otherwise) by the work of what I can only speculate to be a talented film director in the making.
Respectfully and contextually (this is IMDb not Tiananmen Square...), the subject matter is of secondary importance to me. This yarn has good guys, bad guys and a narrative - the basis of all good theatre.
What's eminently apparent from watching 'Loose Change 2E' is that the goal of building a coherent message (however 'alternative') is achieved with just enough professionalism so as to render it instantly plausible. This plausibility is perhaps not altogether factually credible, but it doesn't need to be - it serves to fuel our natural penchant for inquisition, seeking flaws and continuity errors and offering us the status-laden opportunity to claim bragging rights with our peers as a result.
The narrator asks for answers to well considered questions with effective use of sarcasm, but my main criticism is that it sadly falls into the trap of open subjectivism when giving direct opinion later on. This wasn't necessary as the implication was already palpable and the message already well developed. However, the effective delivery of narration coupled with a well considered backing track combine to make this a very watchable and interesting production.
In terms of the actual content, I ask only what the consequences would be if the events of 9/11 were independently and formally investigated and this line of argument proved to be actually true?? What if they are right??
Respectfully and contextually (this is IMDb not Tiananmen Square...), the subject matter is of secondary importance to me. This yarn has good guys, bad guys and a narrative - the basis of all good theatre.
What's eminently apparent from watching 'Loose Change 2E' is that the goal of building a coherent message (however 'alternative') is achieved with just enough professionalism so as to render it instantly plausible. This plausibility is perhaps not altogether factually credible, but it doesn't need to be - it serves to fuel our natural penchant for inquisition, seeking flaws and continuity errors and offering us the status-laden opportunity to claim bragging rights with our peers as a result.
The narrator asks for answers to well considered questions with effective use of sarcasm, but my main criticism is that it sadly falls into the trap of open subjectivism when giving direct opinion later on. This wasn't necessary as the implication was already palpable and the message already well developed. However, the effective delivery of narration coupled with a well considered backing track combine to make this a very watchable and interesting production.
In terms of the actual content, I ask only what the consequences would be if the events of 9/11 were independently and formally investigated and this line of argument proved to be actually true?? What if they are right??
- explodedviews
- 5 sept. 2006
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- imdb-21872
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- box-office
- 31 janv. 2007
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The government's official version of 19 hijackers with boxcutters is totally unacceptable. No investigative expert can simply dismiss the blatant exclusion of critical evidence throughout the "9/11 Commission Report". These important omissions are listed in an intensely well-researched report titled - "The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie", by Dr. David Ray Griffin. It's available online for anyone to read through. The 9/11 commission report doesn't even mention WTC 7. Hello? Was the mysterious collapse of that building not a part of the investigation? Also, how about the fact that 6 of the hijackers have been found alive. These kids may be wrong about some of their conclusions on what actually happened, but that doesn't make the government's official version of events any more credible. At least these guys are still asking the questions that have been left unanswered. We need a new investigation NOW!
- DazeBlazin
- 28 mai 2007
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This documentary is perplexing: unlike books that can expose any views without offering no better proof than words, here, the message is often based upon footages. I know that a frame can be manipulated but the one used are actually from live TV network. And the results are shocking: all the four attacks of 9/11 have problems.
Pentagone: where is the plane? Why no single capture of the crash? Why this plane can pass through 3 rings of wall whereas the NY planes got stuck inside the WTC?
Flight93: where is the plane? No fire, no bodies?
WTC: you see clearly that windows flash down while the towers collapse, especially the north tower? How a building collapse can melt basement?
The thesis supported is frightening because it's not that government let terrorists act but it's rather the government as the terrorist and the mastermind behind the attacks.
All those questions must be answered to honor the memory of all innocent people who died on this day. Actually, we still got not decisive answers.
Pentagone: where is the plane? Why no single capture of the crash? Why this plane can pass through 3 rings of wall whereas the NY planes got stuck inside the WTC?
Flight93: where is the plane? No fire, no bodies?
WTC: you see clearly that windows flash down while the towers collapse, especially the north tower? How a building collapse can melt basement?
The thesis supported is frightening because it's not that government let terrorists act but it's rather the government as the terrorist and the mastermind behind the attacks.
All those questions must be answered to honor the memory of all innocent people who died on this day. Actually, we still got not decisive answers.
- leplatypus
- 27 mars 2011
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OK first of all for most of the US citizens who are willfully ignorant about how the country is run these days (which is mostly everybody), watch the documentary "why we fight" (2006). This will open your eyes to a lot of irrefutable knowledge and evidence about how we are being sold out as a country by greedy corporate neo-con bastards. After you take all that in, watch loose change, and maybe "terrorstorm" by Alex Jones. Loose Change is a pretty good sophomore effort from 22 year Dylan Avery. There's a lot of good info there, but at the same time there is are a few questionable supposed "facts" that they skew. However, over all, i enjoyed the film to say the least. It had a good soundtrack and was fairly well pieced together (without the help of a professional studio which is amazing). watch it before you talk sh*t, that is all i ask.
...as MOST of the very very unjustified and critical reviews about Loose Change SE are from people who only wrote ONE comment on IMDb; to tell us that this movie is rubbish because it's facts are wrong.
Yeah, right.
I liked this movie because someone has to dare to produce such stuff. It is highly entertaining as well. And it will make us rethink about what we behold as true. Which is very important because most people are eating what the American Media is giving them to eat: Bu**Sh**
And no matter what the truth is, it is not the official report and that is a fact for sakes. We are the people and the government needs its people like it needs the government. But it is the people to be supposed to have the power, not the government. Go to some courses of constitutional law, you might learn something about the philosophical background of a State, its territory and its population.
Yeah, right.
I liked this movie because someone has to dare to produce such stuff. It is highly entertaining as well. And it will make us rethink about what we behold as true. Which is very important because most people are eating what the American Media is giving them to eat: Bu**Sh**
And no matter what the truth is, it is not the official report and that is a fact for sakes. We are the people and the government needs its people like it needs the government. But it is the people to be supposed to have the power, not the government. Go to some courses of constitutional law, you might learn something about the philosophical background of a State, its territory and its population.
- stephane_decker
- 14 oct. 2008
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So let me get this straight. Bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9-11 and the tapes where he claims so were faked? He was a patsy as were the 19 hijackers who are alive and well running convenience stores somewhere? The planes that crashed didn't, were drones instead, the real planes and passengers having been whisked off somewhere. The taped calls from the planes were faked.
The disguised substitutions were because we could better blow up the Pentagon. Oh no, that's not right because despite using special drones which could carry explosives, other explosives were carefully set in the twin towers.
And the proof of that is... that the structural collapse of the buildings when structure was removed by melting (in the most studied structural collapse in history) looks a lot like like the structural collapse of buildings where structure was removed by tiny explosive charges.
And this master plan was carried out by an administration that otherwise cannot competently make a ham sandwich? And it is being kept secret in an administration that is the leakiest in history with even long-standing patriots in the NSA rebelling against the president? And the whole thing was done to make money on a stock market which lost a trillion dollars in the days after the attacks? I recommend you see this. I do. Its because it helps illustrate the sheer lunacy of belief. When people want to believe something, no fact, no confrontation with logic or reality will deter that belief, rationalizations and explanations growing to immense complexity. Blind spots enlarge to nearly the entire field of vision.
Its an absolutely amazing phenomenon and it makes you wonder what beliefs you hold yourself that have some conspiratorial agency. This silly, offensive thing really did make me wonder if there is someone somewhere who knows me to be as stupid in some of my assumptions as I think these guys are.
The funny thing is that administrations do lie. And they do cover up. And they do get caught. But when they get caught it is because the truth is so obvious and the motive so clear any other explanation just wouldn't make much sense. Johnson lied about Tonkin in order to intervene in Vietnam, for instance. The Air Force lied about UFOs to cover up a secret cold war balloon project.
Why do people insist on grand conspiracies? I suppose it is a deep need for order in the world. If something happens, someone must have caused it. If there is an event, it must be part of some powerful plan we can only dimly see. If you prefer not to believe in a God that is actively pulling the strings, then the next best thing is a secret cabal of all-powerful humans (or alternatively aliens) that is centralized, whole and incredibly omniscient.
And where do these ideas come from? Well, increasingly these days they are coming from movies, which spin tales of noir manipulators, gods on earth. So in a way, this horror movie is simply one of a group that we absorb to help us cope with what we feel we must believe.
Terrifying.
Ted's Evaluation -- 2 of 3: Has some interesting elements.
The disguised substitutions were because we could better blow up the Pentagon. Oh no, that's not right because despite using special drones which could carry explosives, other explosives were carefully set in the twin towers.
And the proof of that is... that the structural collapse of the buildings when structure was removed by melting (in the most studied structural collapse in history) looks a lot like like the structural collapse of buildings where structure was removed by tiny explosive charges.
And this master plan was carried out by an administration that otherwise cannot competently make a ham sandwich? And it is being kept secret in an administration that is the leakiest in history with even long-standing patriots in the NSA rebelling against the president? And the whole thing was done to make money on a stock market which lost a trillion dollars in the days after the attacks? I recommend you see this. I do. Its because it helps illustrate the sheer lunacy of belief. When people want to believe something, no fact, no confrontation with logic or reality will deter that belief, rationalizations and explanations growing to immense complexity. Blind spots enlarge to nearly the entire field of vision.
Its an absolutely amazing phenomenon and it makes you wonder what beliefs you hold yourself that have some conspiratorial agency. This silly, offensive thing really did make me wonder if there is someone somewhere who knows me to be as stupid in some of my assumptions as I think these guys are.
The funny thing is that administrations do lie. And they do cover up. And they do get caught. But when they get caught it is because the truth is so obvious and the motive so clear any other explanation just wouldn't make much sense. Johnson lied about Tonkin in order to intervene in Vietnam, for instance. The Air Force lied about UFOs to cover up a secret cold war balloon project.
Why do people insist on grand conspiracies? I suppose it is a deep need for order in the world. If something happens, someone must have caused it. If there is an event, it must be part of some powerful plan we can only dimly see. If you prefer not to believe in a God that is actively pulling the strings, then the next best thing is a secret cabal of all-powerful humans (or alternatively aliens) that is centralized, whole and incredibly omniscient.
And where do these ideas come from? Well, increasingly these days they are coming from movies, which spin tales of noir manipulators, gods on earth. So in a way, this horror movie is simply one of a group that we absorb to help us cope with what we feel we must believe.
Terrifying.
Ted's Evaluation -- 2 of 3: Has some interesting elements.
Well, hard not to be drowned out by all the government shills on this site, but I thought that despite the college-kid voice-over and overearnest presentation, the content was thought-provoking. Something was dirty about 9/11 in the same way that the 1934 Reichstag fire was. There's plenty of events we DO agree as a society on--that is to say, not every tragedy has a conspiracy theory attached to it. But 9/11 does, and for very many good reasons. If these filmmakers used sophistry and made factual errors, well, it doesn't come close to the government's record on the issue. Rubberneckers and the kinds of people who like to go to controlled demolitions will find it worth it just for the video footage of the buildings coming down.
a buddy and i recently sat down on a slow Sunday at work at watched this movie online. i'd say in all it took about four to four and a half hours to complete. this was also followed by the "loose change vs popular mechanics" videos. (the funny part about that was that as magazine editors, the popular mechanics reps were no more "experts" than the loose change guys). now the reason it took so long to view this movie was due to the constant stopping to get more information about the various points mentioned.
this may not be the preferred viewing method, but i suggest anyone else viewing this movie do the same. actually some other interviews of the loose change producers suggest you look into the events more closely for yourself and not just take their word on it anyway.
i say this for both the people that think this movie is "proving the real truth" or "a bunch of bull****! cause my government would never do anything wrong ever!".
while this movie might be viewed as amateur sensationalist conspiracy buff fodder, it also mentions a lot of questions that really haven't had any really satisfactory answers. (at least not for anyone that understands that any government, no matter which country you live in, will occasionally put it's own interests ahead of it's people's.) history is full of examples (watergate, jfk's murder, prohibition, Vietnam, enron, etc.) where people in power either misuse that power, mislead information, or just generally do things that are influenced by their own basic greed.
what this movie seems very effective in doing though is getting people talking. unfortunately the minority of people who actually do the research with an open mind are flanked by a much larger number of "debunkers" and "believers" who only concentrate on the information that backs up their predispositions. this is similar to the "Fahrenheit/Fahrenhype 9/11" movies that present the information in a way to support their cause. (although Moore's version was far more entertaining, and Peterson's rebuttal was more petty) basically this movie should be looked at as a perspective. one that would allow you to dismiss it once all the questions have been answered. whether they area right or not in some of their assumptions is irrelevant when you consider that if the entire event was cut and dry, then people wouldn't feel the need to fill in the blanks with their own ideas.
and for the people that are likely going to get mad at this perspective, you should probably realize that "patriotism" denotes positive and supportive attitudes to one's nation-state. we'd be a lot closer to Orwell's vision of the world if we truly believed that questioning the belief that we should blindly following a government despite questionable/corrupt motives, was the same as an act of treason and being unpatriotic. where i come from we have a proverb: love my country, fear my government. my country never let me down. i can't say the same about the people that run it.
this may not be the preferred viewing method, but i suggest anyone else viewing this movie do the same. actually some other interviews of the loose change producers suggest you look into the events more closely for yourself and not just take their word on it anyway.
i say this for both the people that think this movie is "proving the real truth" or "a bunch of bull****! cause my government would never do anything wrong ever!".
while this movie might be viewed as amateur sensationalist conspiracy buff fodder, it also mentions a lot of questions that really haven't had any really satisfactory answers. (at least not for anyone that understands that any government, no matter which country you live in, will occasionally put it's own interests ahead of it's people's.) history is full of examples (watergate, jfk's murder, prohibition, Vietnam, enron, etc.) where people in power either misuse that power, mislead information, or just generally do things that are influenced by their own basic greed.
what this movie seems very effective in doing though is getting people talking. unfortunately the minority of people who actually do the research with an open mind are flanked by a much larger number of "debunkers" and "believers" who only concentrate on the information that backs up their predispositions. this is similar to the "Fahrenheit/Fahrenhype 9/11" movies that present the information in a way to support their cause. (although Moore's version was far more entertaining, and Peterson's rebuttal was more petty) basically this movie should be looked at as a perspective. one that would allow you to dismiss it once all the questions have been answered. whether they area right or not in some of their assumptions is irrelevant when you consider that if the entire event was cut and dry, then people wouldn't feel the need to fill in the blanks with their own ideas.
and for the people that are likely going to get mad at this perspective, you should probably realize that "patriotism" denotes positive and supportive attitudes to one's nation-state. we'd be a lot closer to Orwell's vision of the world if we truly believed that questioning the belief that we should blindly following a government despite questionable/corrupt motives, was the same as an act of treason and being unpatriotic. where i come from we have a proverb: love my country, fear my government. my country never let me down. i can't say the same about the people that run it.
- von_ozbourne
- 1 déc. 2006
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I've just heard about it. it is not a state of the art make up DVD. all you will find are wise questions with sound proofs, challenging storming of your mind. if you compare the limits of money with that of an ordinary Hollywood flick, it is a work of art it has another effect tough. if you don't want to get shaken by the realities of what your in, don't watch. This is completely the pill offered by the Morpheus. you choose: live in lies or hear the truth and bear the consequences. I was amazed the integrity of the events and mind drifting trough this movie and strongly suggest every young American who has enough wit and gut to believe.
- albouquerque2821
- 16 août 2006
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This documentary takes a look back at the attacks on September 11, 2001. It takes a skeptical attitude towards the official story of the events, and goes about presenting arguments and evidence to dispute the idea that terrorism was the culprit.
Using various media (film, transcripts, stills), the film presents a disturbing case in which the U.S. government is heavily implicated in the execution of the these attacks. We are taken through each argument the film makes through the use of narration.
The film seems to make use of already publicised information, but the researchers seem to have taken their own further investigations (including new interviews) since the events. The results that they have achieved are highly confronting, and just as controversial.
To further it's premise, this documentary makes a few leaps of faith. I don't want to outline any here, but this film and the makers themselves, were never bound to have any credibility - the issue is too sensitive. And, as likely as the film-makers might make it seem that there was some sort of conspiracy, it's hard to imagine that anything other than animosity was due for them. It's almost a futile exercise, not matter how compelling the film itself may be, it's always going to be secondary to the film-maker's intents and character.
I doubt that many will be swayed too far from their initial beliefs after viewing this film, but nevertheless, it is a fairly provocative, interesting and occasionally professional look at those attacks in 2001.
Using various media (film, transcripts, stills), the film presents a disturbing case in which the U.S. government is heavily implicated in the execution of the these attacks. We are taken through each argument the film makes through the use of narration.
The film seems to make use of already publicised information, but the researchers seem to have taken their own further investigations (including new interviews) since the events. The results that they have achieved are highly confronting, and just as controversial.
To further it's premise, this documentary makes a few leaps of faith. I don't want to outline any here, but this film and the makers themselves, were never bound to have any credibility - the issue is too sensitive. And, as likely as the film-makers might make it seem that there was some sort of conspiracy, it's hard to imagine that anything other than animosity was due for them. It's almost a futile exercise, not matter how compelling the film itself may be, it's always going to be secondary to the film-maker's intents and character.
I doubt that many will be swayed too far from their initial beliefs after viewing this film, but nevertheless, it is a fairly provocative, interesting and occasionally professional look at those attacks in 2001.
- Nihilist54
- 24 juil. 2006
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