Waco: American Apocalypse

Pretty much definitive proof that the fbi, atf & cia are as sociopathic & insane as David Koresh. Fact 1: Who would order an attack after the element of surprise cover was blown hours before. That's like phoning Hitler & saying we're going to attack your left flank in 2 hours so get ready. What Einstein came up with this idea? Fact 2: Sending home the hostage negotiator while it was still working effectively. Beyond stupid. Command Einstein play 2. Fact 3 Running over the trapped civilian vehicles with tanks. Always a solid plan to antagonize & further inflame the situation. It's like the mind of a 10 year old. "I'm going to punch you out at the monkey bars at recess". Fact 4: Arresting anyone that exits the compound & sending them directly to jail, thus eliminating the chances of anyone else exiting the compound. The list of mistakes made goes on & on. Did none of the government agencies receive any training? Like I wrote earlier...sociopathic, insanity & lets add wildly incompetent. Unbelievable! Be alert April 19th as it now seems to be a flashpoint of the dissatisfied.

I was only a child when the OK bombing happened, on my birthday of all days. I had heard of Waco before, but didn't know the whole story or that the two were related.

This was a really tragic event, started by one side that was asking for trouble, but both sides are to blame for the outcome. The real tragedy is the kids. Everyone else had plenty of time to make their decision to stay or leave, but the kids are the real victims.

What's crazy about this doc is comparing it to society today. Thinking about how many others out there have the ability to manipulate others so much, that many of them would rather die than to look at their life choices and lack of logic, and change.

"Waco: American Apocalypse" (2023 release; 3 episodes ranging 44 to 51 minutes each) is the latest reassessment of the events that took place 30 years ago in Waco, TX, leading to 90 deaths. As Episode 1 opens, we are immediately in the thick of things as the ATP is trying to execute on a search warrant at the Mount Carmel compound, where a religious cult led by David Koresh is living. Things go wrong from the get-go, and there is an enormous shootout between dozens of ATP agents and the religious cult... At this point we are 10 minutes into Episode 1.

Couple of comments: this is the latest from director Tiller Russell ("Night Stalker"). What could've been a thorough review of these tragic events, instead are brought with a shocking lack of details and context. We literally are given very few details as to the religious cult itself, why ATP decided to get a search warrant, and how exactly things went wrong. What we do get are talking heads who were there: several survivors from the cult, ATP and FBI agents, local TV reporters, lawyers, etc. The lack of coordination and communication within the FBI (the negotiators vs. The Hostage Rescue Team) is shocking. Not that the Branch Davidian folks are much better. Or as one talking head puts it: "Everybody in this touched the ball and fumbled." There are no winners. Back to the lack of details: at the end of the day that April 19, 1993, the mini-series concludes just like that. Not a single word about the YEARS of subsequent legal cases, all the way up to the Supreme Court. Also no information as to what became of the survivors that participated in this documentary. Wow, just wow. This documentary should be titled "Waco: American Tragedy", both as to the events that happened there and as to this mini-series.

"Waco: American Apocalypse" recently premiered on Netflix, and I watched all 3 episodes in a single setting last night. The mini-series isn't completely horrible, but it should have been so much better than this. Of course don't take my word for it so check it out and draw your own conclusion.

Cult leader, David Koresh refused to vacate his property when The Authorities learned that hus commune contained a huge armoury. When The FBI decide they want to enter the property, a 51 day, bloody siege begins.

It's a thought provoking documentary, it really does move the dial of your opinion from one way to the other, early on I considered that The Authorities tried to sort the situation whilst considering the people and CHILDREN involved, by the end, I can't say I thought that was the case.

Very well made, with some fascinating first hand insight, everyone truly did bring something to the table, so often documentaries present us with an echo chamber of opinions, here we get several contrasting and conflicting views.

Some fascinating footage, considering it dated back to 1993, that was some clear camera work, again though you have to question who's holding the camera.

The third episode, personally I found it sickening, I condemn the behaviours and actions of Koresh, but that building had children inside, the assault that followed was disgraceful. I wonder if this particular cased is used in training, what happens when things are badly planned, badly handled, and brawn takes over from brains.

8/10.

Waco happened at a time of my life when I was becoming aware of the wider world outside of my experience. It's not something that I have particularly obsessed about - it's just something that happened in the media and I remember. This documentary claims that it has never before seen footage and interviews - but one is left with the feeling that all of this information was already known. In 1993, a religious group with apocalyptic views and a large stockpile of illegal weapons was raided by the ATF and the FBI. The initial raid went poorly because the members of the cult were tipped off by a local reporter. Four federal agents were killed. A siege ensued at the end of which the compound burnt down and 80 people were killed. A narrative has developed overtime, among far Right groups in the United States that this is an example of a government overstepping its rights and massacring its people. The details of what happened are controversial because the two main groups in the conflict are a religious cult and a massive Federal bureaucracy with its own conflicting groups, aims and goals. Here is what can be determined by the outside observer. The Branch Dravidians did violate firearm rules and regulations that were in place at that time. If you are pro guns and say that the American government overstepped its bounds - just know that the next raid probably would have been connected to the fact that David Koresh was a pedophile. The American government did have a good reason to start the raid. But it cannot be understated how poorly they handled the situation. It's a special sort of hubris in the American psyche that repeatedly leads to situations like this. Waco is a good example - but so is the invasion of Iraq. We have confident people being blinded by their own competence. There's a great line from one of the interviewees who was on the negotiating team. He said the paradox of power is that when you use power you don't often get the result that you want, you are met with resistance. And it seems like the negotiating team was doing a good job of getting people out of the situation before more aggressive methods were used. But the people who died at Waco, at least the adults who were in that situation, we're not martyrs. It is controversial whether the fire that ultimately burned the compound down was started by the federal agents or was started by the members of the cult. But what is not controversial is the fact that when the fire started, the members of the cult did nothing to get the children out of that building. So in my opinion, that's murder. You could make the argument that they were afraid to go outside because they would be shot by the federal agents - the federal agents had been encouraging everyone all morning to come outside and surrender. And multiple people had left the compound before then and were not massacred. And even if there was a chance, a slight chance, that you could save your children, you should have taken that chance. Why didn't that happen? Because most of those children were the children of David Koresh - the cult's leader. And some of his brides were 11 or 12 years old. Even this documentary ends with a dedication for those who died in those who remained. Which means you dedicating your documentary to David Koresh? Just because the government screwed up doesn't mean that David Koresh wasn't a screw-up.