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Herb & Dorothy

  • 2008
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  • 1 Std. 27 Min.
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Herb & Dorothy (2008)
Herb and Dorothy tells the story of Herbert Vogel, a postal clerk, and Dorothy Vogel, a librarian, who managed to build one of the most important contemporary art collections in history with very modest means.
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Füge eine Handlung in deiner Sprache hinzuHerb and Dorothy Vogel redefine what it means to be an art collector.Herb and Dorothy Vogel redefine what it means to be an art collector.Herb and Dorothy Vogel redefine what it means to be an art collector.

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    • Megumi Sasaki
  • Drehbuch
    • Abbey Dubin
  • Hauptbesetzung
    • Paula Antebi
    • Will Barnet
    • Robert Barry
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      • Megumi Sasaki
    • Drehbuch
      • Abbey Dubin
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      • Paula Antebi
      • Will Barnet
      • Robert Barry
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    Paula Antebi
    • Self - Herb's Sister
    Will Barnet
    • Self - Artist
    Robert Barry
    • Self - Artist
    Lynda Benglis
    • Self - Artist
    Michael Bloomberg
    Michael Bloomberg
    • Self - Mayor of New York City
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    Christo and Jeanne-Claude
    • Themselves - Artists
    Chuck Close
    Chuck Close
    • Self - Artist
    Jack Cowart
    • Self - Director, Roy Lichtenstein Foundation
    Molly Bridges Donovan
    Molly Bridges Donovan
    • Self - Curator, National Gallery of Art
    • (as Molly Donovan)
    Carole Hoffman
    • Self - Dorothy's Sister-in-Law
    Sidney S. Hoffman
    • Self - Dorothy's Brother
    Sol LeWitt
    • Self - Artist
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    Joe Libonati
    • Self - Postal Worker
    Robert Mangold
    • Self - Artist
    Sylvia Mangold
    • Self - Artist
    • (as Sylvia Plimack Mangold)
    John Paoletti
    • Self - Art Historian
    Lucio Pozzi
    • Self - Artist
    Charles Ritchie
    • Self - Curator, National Gallery of Art
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      • Megumi Sasaki
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      • Abbey Dubin
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    8Chris Knipp

    Funds: 2, passion: 10, result: 10

    The Vogels are a couple of modest means but focused passion who assembled a world-class art collection buying small, affordable works but choosing wisely and with love and living for art. They married in 1960 and collected from the ideal vantage point of New York City. He was a postal worker, sorting mail at night, and she was a librarian in Brooklyn Heights. They used his salary for the purchases and hers for the rent of their small one-bedroom rent-controlled apartment and other living expenses. He had the expertise, but she caught on; and they are inseparable. Both were open-minded and excited by what they found. They focused on minimal, conceptual, and verbal art because that was what they could afford. Abstract expressionism was fading and Pop Art was rising They were "greedy," someone says (a Who's Who of artists appear on screen to talk abut the couple, who were famous in the New York art world by 1970). "You like to buy four at a time," an artist says. "No, forty," jokes Herbie.

    They were single-minded, and their apartment filled up. They have cats and tropical fish and turtles but never had children. After work they got together and went to galleries, or visited artists, from whom they bought directly. Most of the artists they bought from were unknown then and desperately needed money. The Vogels had the same dedication and indifference to necessary poverty the artists had. And theirs has been a life in art as rich as any artist's.

    When they finally called Christo and Jeanne-Claude, she picked up the phone and said "It's the Vogels! We're going to pay the rent this month." But when they came and heard the prices of sketches of the coming Christo project, Valley Curtain, Herb said, "Oh, we came too late!" They were priced to fund the couple's costly environmental artworks. But when Christo and Jeanne-Claude went to Colorado to finish Valley Curtain, they gave the Vogels a drawing in exchange for taking care of their cat, Gladys while they were away.

    The Vogels collected work by, among others, Chuck Close, Pat Steir, Lida Benglis, Robert Mangold, Sol Lewitt, Donald Judd, Carl Andre, Richard Long, Julian Schnabel, Jeff Koons, and Richard Tuttle. All these artists' work eventually have come to be worth megabucks, but the Vogels would sooner have amputated a limb as sell an artwork. Speculating is fine, and may help the artists, Herb says, but not for them. Not all the artists they collected are famous, but they love them all.

    Their first Lewitt was tall, and they traded it for a horizontal one; he must have delivered both, because they liked to buy smaller works that they could take with them in a taxi. And they kept everything somewhere in the apartment.

    Filmmaker Sasaki has done an excellent job of assembling voices. Sylvia Mangold, Chuck Close Lynda Benglis, Pat Steir, Robert Barry, Lucio Pozzi and Lawrence Weiner are some of the main artists who talk about the Vogels' passion and skill and friendship. There are also museum curators. The film makes clear the Vogels are famous collectors, chronicled and celebrated in many articles (books will surely come). It may take some time for this to sink in. This cute little old couple -- they are old now, the long necked, erect woman with her big round glasses, the little man hunched forward, focusing on an art work he wants like a beagle pointing a bird, unswerving, obsessed. They're sweet, but they're relentless, a life force. Chuck Close calls them "the mascots of the New York art world." Surprisingly, there is plenty of period footage of them from earlier decades, gallery-going, being interviewed, being greeted at openings by artists or gallery owners as honored guests. At the post office Herbie revisits (he retired in 1980) we learn he kept his fame and passion secret and found nobody who wanted to talk about art there anyway.

    Many museums sought the collection and the couple always said no. When they didn't say no to the National Gallery in Washington (which they had visited on their honeymoon) curators came calling a few years ago (the film is a bit vague about the time-line) and they agreed to donate. Only to consider this offer, the National Gallery had to catalogue the collection's over 2000 pieces, and this was impossible in the limited space, so the art works had to be crated piece by piece and shipped to Washington for evaluation. It too five giant moving vans to transport the collection from the little one-bedroom apartment. It was packed so tight. The National's rule (a reason for the Vogels' confidence) is that donations it accepts can never be deaccessioned; hence eventually the museum decided it could only accept half the works. So a program has been set up to travel the other works around the fifty states. This is called the Vogel 50x50 program.

    The film also shows Herbie and Dorhty together in many scenes that convey their keen memory, precise knowledge, and love of the works they've collected. You see Herb doing his beagle thing, zeroing in on a small early John Chamberlain piece and explaining why it's every bit as representative and good as a larger Chamberlain and how unusual that is.

    The donation cleared room in the jammed apartment so the Vogels could move around a bit, and as the curator thought, acquire a little more furniture. The museum pays them an annuity to keep them financially secure. But instead of using that to buy furniture, they just went out and bought more art, though Dorothy did buy a laptop so she can email.

    In a way Herb and Dorothy are like Christo and Jeanne-Claude. The finances have certainly been different, but both are couples who have lived spartanly and basically put every available penny into art. There is much to inspire artists and collectors in these two extraordinary and dedicated couples.
    10madinpursuit

    Art Collecting As Love Story

    In an era when hoarders are seen as sideshow freaks, Herb and Dorothy Vogel are hoarders with heart... and a sharp aesthetic. Herb and Dorothy wanted to be artists. Instead, the postal worker and librarian filled their Brooklyn apartment with the best of American contemporary art, amassing nearly 5000 pieces, which they have now donated to the National Gallery. I like this documentary because it is a love story. Herb and Dorothy are an intimate team, who share a deep passion. They collect by "adopting" artists and supporting their work not only through purchases but through interest and enthusiasm. They give collectors a good name. They give humans a good name.
    8MikeyB1793

    Eclectic and Wonderful!

    This documentary reviews the eclectic life of an art collector couple in New York City. They're a wonderful couple who devote their spare time to collecting art. And as one of the trailers mentioned "you don't have to be Rockefeller to buy art". This couple is now retired and had normal jobs – she was a librarian and he worked for the post office – but no children. They loaded up their rent-controlled apartment in Manhattan with the art they loved. I can't say that I was enamoured by the art they accumulated – but everyone has their own tastes! They didn't do this for the money either; they donated their collection to the National Art Gallery in Washington which is free to the public. This is a truly life affirming film about real people with a passion for the art world.
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    inspiring, even if you don't "get" modern art

    Minimalism in art is clearly a matter of personal taste - one either loves it or loathes it, "gets" it or doesn't - but what cannot be debated is the influence Herbert and Dorothy Vogel have had on its cultivation over the past half century. Not as artists themselves, mind you - their own dabbling in it proved to be both unproductive and short-lived - but as the most famous patrons and backers of those who create the actual works.

    Though not wealthy themselves, Herb, a drab, colorless postal worker by day and an obsessive art maven by night, and his equally passionate wife Dorothy, have managed, over the course of five decades, to amass the world's greatest collection of minimalist and conceptual art - close to five thousand pieces in all. Almost from the day they first met in 1960, the two have been scouring the Manhattan art scene, constantly on the lookout for works to purchase and artists to champion.

    And speaking of minimalism, director Megumi Sasaki provides relatively few biographical details about the couple, preferring instead to concentrate on their work as collectors and the impact their intense passion and love for art have had on the scene. Sasaki relies primarily on interviews - with both the Vogels themselves and the artists whose lives and works they've influenced - to paint his portrait of the couple.

    As a film, "Herb and Dorothy" doesn't always make for the most riveting of viewing, seeing as much of the artwork they're fawning over is - let's be perfectly honest about it - more than a trifle preposterous. Indeed, you might even have trouble suppressing an irreverent giggle from time to time as you examine some of the pieces. But, as subjects for the camera, the Vogels convey such a down-home warm, generous and wise aura and presence that it's hard to be all that cynical about it.
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    Ars Gratia Artis

    To use the old Latin phrase (translation:art for art's sake). This is an open book look at two of the modern/postmodern art world's patron saints, Herb & Dorthy Vogel,who boasts of having the largest collection of modern art (all confined in a one bedroom apartment in New York City,yet). We get to know a bit about Herb & Dorthy (Herb is a retired postal worker,while Dorthy is a retired librarian),a couple who were wed in 1960,and spent most,if not all of their spare time in small galleries,perusing works by up & coming artists & purchasing works that they knew would fit in their modest trappings (an amusing scene shows Herb & Dorthy mulling over a Sol LeWitt piece that was just a bit too tall for their apartment,resulting in their exchanging it for something a bit more compact by LeWitt). Over a period of thirty years (or so),they would amass thousands of paintings,sculptures & conceptual pieces,representing the cream of the art world (or so they figured). First time producer/director,Megumi Sasaki crafts a portrait of two people,in love with each other & art (they're rarely apart from one another for too long---a scene at an artists opening depicts a somewhat jealous Dorthy getting her dander up when she finds Herb talking to a woman across the room from her). The documentary is studded with interviews with what has to be a "who's who" of modern art (Robert Barry,Pat Stier,Richard Tuttle,Christo & Jeanne-Claude,Sol LeWitt,etc.),as well as vintage film footage of the New York art scene in the 1950's,thru the 1970's & beyond. A "must see" for patrons of the arts. Not rated,but contains nothing to offend.

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      Works from the National Gallery of Art, Vogel Collection, seen with on screen titles shown (artist name), in order of appearance: 1 - "Untitled, 1962" (John Chamberlain) 2 - "Floor Structure Black, 1965" (Sol LeWitt) 3 - "Four Paintings, 1978" (Robert Mangold) 4 - "X within Red/Green X, 1981" (Robert Mangold) 5 - "Four Color Frame Painting #1, 1984Robert Mangold) 6 - "49 Small Copper Cardinal, 1975" (Carl Andre) 7 - "Lead Pipe Cinch, 1970" (Carl Andre) 8 - "Untitled, 1968" (Donald Judd) 9 - "Untitled, 1965" (a) (Donald Judd) 10 - "Untitled, 1965" (b) (Donald Judd) 11 - "Starting with Four Colors, 1978" (Lucio Pozzi) 12 - "Study for Keith, 1970" (Chuck Close) 13 - "Collage of Valley Curtain, 1971" (Christo) 14 - "Drawing of The Gates, 1996" (Christo) 15 - "Art as Idea: Nothing, 1968" (Joseph Kosuth) 16 - "The Collectors, 1977" (Will Barnet) 17 - "Turn, 1965" (Richard Tuttle) 18 - "4th Summer Wood Piece, 1974" (Richard Tuttle) 19 - "Monkey's Recovery for a Darkened Room, 1983" (Richard Tuttle) 20 - "3rd Rope Piece, 1974" (Richard Tuttle) 21 - "Step Piece, 1970" (Vito Acconci) 22 - "Wall Drawing No. 681 C first installation, 1993" (Sol LeWitt)
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