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8½ Frauen

Originaltitel: 8 ½ Women
  • 1999
  • 16
  • 1 Std. 58 Min.
IMDb-BEWERTUNG
5,6/10
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IHRE BEWERTUNG
8½ Frauen (1999)
Schwarze KomödieDramaKomödie

Füge eine Handlung in deiner Sprache hinzuFollowing the death of a mother, a father and son open up their very own harem in their Genevan estate after watching Achteinhalb (1963).Following the death of a mother, a father and son open up their very own harem in their Genevan estate after watching Achteinhalb (1963).Following the death of a mother, a father and son open up their very own harem in their Genevan estate after watching Achteinhalb (1963).

  • Regie
    • Peter Greenaway
  • Drehbuch
    • Peter Greenaway
  • Hauptbesetzung
    • John Standing
    • Matthew Delamere
    • Vivian Wu
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    5,6/10
    4291
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    • Regie
      • Peter Greenaway
    • Drehbuch
      • Peter Greenaway
    • Hauptbesetzung
      • John Standing
      • Matthew Delamere
      • Vivian Wu
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    • 31Kritische Rezensionen
    • 36Metascore
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    John Standing
    John Standing
    • Philip Emmenthal
    Matthew Delamere
    Matthew Delamere
    • Storey Emmenthal
    Vivian Wu
    Vivian Wu
    • Kito
    Toni Collette
    Toni Collette
    • Griselda…
    Annie Shizuka Inoh
    Annie Shizuka Inoh
    • Simato
    • (as Shizuka Inoh)
    Barbara Sarafian
    Barbara Sarafian
    • Clothilde
    Kirina Mano
    • Mio
    Amanda Plummer
    Amanda Plummer
    • Beryl
    Natacha Amal
    • Giaconda the Baby Factory
    Manna Fujiwara
    • Giulietta…
    Polly Walker
    Polly Walker
    • Palmira
    Elizabeth Berrington
    Elizabeth Berrington
    • Celeste, Emmenthal Maid
    Myriam Muller
    • Marianne, Emmenthal Maid
    Don Warrington
    Don Warrington
    • Simon
    Claire Johnston
    Claire Johnston
    • Amelia, Philip's Wife
    Pol Hoffmann
    • Mourner
    • (as Paul Hoffmann)
    Tony Kaye
    • Mourner
    Ann Overstall Comfort
    • Mourner
    • (as Ann Overstall)
    • Regie
      • Peter Greenaway
    • Drehbuch
      • Peter Greenaway
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    tedg

    Women: Types and Missteps

    A master visual allegorist reaches farther and fails. But not for the reasons others claim here. Greenaway has never centered his films in the narrative -- we'd always be frustrated to look for satisfaction there. (`Drowning' which among his works most delivers a story does so incidentally.) And this is a film about women, not sex, which will frustrate others.

    Here is his most character-driven film. At last, he works on closeups and some character definition. The primary ordering of the film is by basic archetypes of women, particularly archetypes drawn by men. This is supposed to be his most painterly film: the representative women are to be presented in scenes that reference famous paintings. Greenaway has stated that painting cuts to the basic drivers in cultural revolution, and the representations of women therein are tokens for everything conceived. Women thus are both humans and basic tokens in the redefinition of life.

    Such a rich conception is thoroughly Greenawayan and might have formed the skeleton for another masterpiece. Along the way, we have by now familiar devices. Numbers: random as in pachinko rather than ordered. Contrasts between Eastern (here just Japanese) and Western management of concept and image. Some slight use of layered images, here in the self-reference of displaying the screenplay.

    My complaints are two. I consider them fatal, but still celebrate Greenaway.

    The notion of archetype depends on clarity, a natural orthogonality and completeness of classes. Here we have the nun, whore, Chinadoll, servant, cripple, childbearer, fetishist, butch, and spontaneous addict. Time is invested in defining these. A few are singled out to be something more than props for lush compositions: the geisha chinadoll, the lesbian accountant, the gambler and the opportunistic, openly enthusiastic whore. But in bringing them to life, they escape their categories: two of these are male impersonators, another two financial manipulators, another two vamps. Three are Japanese. Usually, Greenaway's combination of painting (erudite structure and framing of scenes) and film (narrative, development) reinforce one another. Here, they dissonate.

    The second problem may be more fundamental. You really have to know your stuff to enjoy these films. My knowledge of The Tempest is rather deep, so I saw how rich was `Prospero's Books.' I read up on restoration comedy for `Draughtsman,' and discovered art in the viewing that I presume no one else in the theater saw. This film is supposed to reference the feminine archetype not as defined by popular culture, but by the history of painting. My knowledge of the art is poor, so I cannot attest to how deep the annotations are here. (Little use is made here of the layered image and narrative comment. Wonder why, since it would have been so natural.

    But I do know Gauguin, who also was a visual allegorist, who also worked with feminine archetypes and also the fascination with Asian differences. His monumental canvas `Where are We Going?' does just what this film purports.

    I wonder if there is little there in this film.
    7akramer

    A clever film, with understandable characters in a very surreal situation

    Frederico Fellini's "8 1/2" is a movie this one is theoretically inspired by. There are consistent references to it in this film, some subtle, and some glaringly obvious. One should take this into account so that it will not hamper one's voluntary suspension of disbelief, though this movie definitely stands on its own if the viewer has never seen "8 1/2".

    Voluntary is, perhaps, an inappropriate word. This movie takes disbelief, which should certainly be present, and suspends it for you, in a most amusing way. The film may well attempt to say something deep about human nature, and the interaction between a fickle heart which has lots of love to give and a bored brain with so many thoughts - but it doesn't say it so loud that you can't just sit back and enjoy the picture. Some scenes are funny to all; some scenes may cause you to be the only hysterical person in the theater. In any case, it's well worth the ticket or rental cost. Some male nudity is present, though no more than the average British movie containing male nudity. No sex scenes are overly graphic, though one should definitely have an open mind going into the movie in order to enjoy it. If you didn't feel a significant need to leave the theater during "Gouttes d'eau sur pierres brûlantes," which I was last week, you should be able to thoroughly enjoy this film.

    (Lighting designers watch for the Kabuki scene; it won awards in Europe and definitely looks very cool.)
    8Afracious

    A wallowing lesson in sexual indulgence

    John Standing plays Philip Emmenthal, a banker who has just gained control of some pachinko parlours. His odd son Storey is looking after them in Japan, while Philip resides in his mansion in Geneva. When Philip's wife dies, he tells Storey to return to Geneva to console him. While there, Storey takes Philip to see Felini's 8 1/2, and it gives them both an inspiration to use their mansion as a bordello. They go back to Japan and bring an assortment of women back to the mansion.

    The women are all unusual. One of them, a nun, has her head shaved and speaks in a weird Dutch-sounding language. Another one keeps getting pregnant. One falls off her horse. One has a huge pet pig. Storey, and especially Philip, have both found a new lease of life. There are plenty of nude bodies on show, although hardly any sex. The two men continually talk about penises. Greenaway seems to have indulged himself in this film with sexual wallowing, with plenty of talk about sex and nude bodies. But the film is not all that bad. Certainly not as bad as it was poorly received in Cannes last year. It is yet another Greenaway film that is beautiful to look at. The setting is nice, it was filmed in Luxembourg. Not one of Greenaway's best films, but certainly worth watching.
    babybink

    Sleeping by Numbers

    Most disappointing -- Greenaway's slide continues on from the flagrantly banal "Pillow Book", which looked like a pornographic Sprint commercial and had about as much intellectual impact. The thin visual style of "Women" harkened back to "Drowning by Numbers", one of my personal favorites, but the interchangeable, glibly apathetic characters lacked the depth necessary to hold it up. As usual, some interesting discussion of the body and its trappings, but sadly, prematurely self-referential and dull on the whole. Note that Vivian Wu manages to turn in yet another openly wretched performance, this time while fully clothed; Toni Collette provides minor temporary relief with her hilarious accent.
    7Krustallos

    Better than its Reputation

    Despite being hissed at Cannes this film is still well worth seeing. I purchased the DVD and the more I watch it the better I like it. For a start, as with all Greenaway's work since The Falls, the photography is ravishing. I don't think anyone makes films which look better.

    What few have picked up on is that (as well as an attempt to pick up Fellini's 8 1/2-ball and run with it), this is almost a remake of "A Zed and Two Noughts". Both films study bizarre responses to bereavement. both films play on doubling, in this case a father and son rather than two brothers. Both films touch on bestiality (with animals called Hortense!), gynecology, sex with amputees, a menagerie (in this case of women rather than animals), prostitution, uses of light, storytelling, and the colours black and white.

    Where that film referenced painting, this references performance in many guises - cinema, kabuki, cross-dressing, opera, television, prostitution, as well as painting.

    Contrary to at least one other user comment, there is no sexual intercourse shown in the film, although there is a quantity of nudity. It's very odd, if perhaps unsurprising, that this film has been sold as a sexy movie. SexIST? Well, confusing an ironic depiction of men's sexual fantasies with a reduction of women to the level of fantasy is 'politically correct' laziness at best. And as with most of Greenaway's films, the women are the winners in the end.

    One reason this is harder work than the earlier film is the lack of Michael Nyman's ravishing music. I'm not sure why Greenaway stopped working with Nyman; possibly he felt he was stuck in a rut - perhaps he was nettled by charges that any old footage looked like Greenaway if you played Nyman's music behind it. Either way, he's yet to arrive at a truly satisfactory alternative. Here we have "Slow Boat to China" sung a capella by the two leads, rather after the manner of Morecambe and Wise. It's quite funny, but it's not the marriage of sound and image of earlier films.

    The extent to which Philip Emmenthal represents Greenaway himself is perhaps worth considering. A character makes reference to Fellini having Mastroianni make love to all the women Fellini couldn't, and asks whether all directors make films to fulfil their own sexual fantasies. Emmenthal is notably the same age as Greenaway.

    He may not be sweeping the art-house scene before him these days (in fact there's not much of an art-house scene left these days), but in the end, even below-par Greenaway is better than 99% of directors can even aspire to.

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      Toni Collette said Peter Greenaway chose her by accident for the role of Griselda. "I went in for another part and I had just had my head shaved and I had a Buddha hanging around my neck. Afterwards I thought, 'This is going to teach me to go to an audition looking like that'. " In fact Greenaway chose her for playing a woman who is blackmailed into serving on a brothel and posing as a lascivious nun. In the role, she was required not merely to appear nude but with a shaven pubis. "Peter Greenaway's odd, but very interesting. And he let me try everything I suggested," added Collette.
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      Philip Emmenthal: How many directors do you think use films to fulfill their sexual fantasies?

      Storey Emmenthal: Most of them, I think.

    • Verbindungen
      Features Achteinhalb (1963)
    • Soundtracks
      Sosaku Yoshiwara
      (Kabuki music)

      Written by Hirokazu Sugiura

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    • Erscheinungsdatum
      • 10. Dezember 1999 (Vereinigtes Königreich)
    • Herkunftsländer
      • Vereinigtes Königreich
      • Niederlande
      • Luxemburg
      • Deutschland
    • Sprachen
      • Englisch
      • Italienisch
      • Japanisch
      • Latein
    • Auch bekannt als
      • Achteinhalb Frauen
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      • Luxemburg
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      • Delux Productions
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    • Bruttoertrag in den USA und Kanada
      • 424.123 $
    • Eröffnungswochenende in den USA und in Kanada
      • 92.000 $
      • 29. Mai 2000
    • Weltweiter Bruttoertrag
      • 437.568 $
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      • 1 Std. 58 Min.(118 min)
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