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Die Mama und die Hure

Originaltitel: La maman et la putain
  • 1973
  • Not Rated
  • 3 Std. 37 Min.
IMDb-BEWERTUNG
7,7/10
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IHRE BEWERTUNG
Die Mama und die Hure (1973)
Psychologisches DramaTragische RomanzeDramaRomanze

In der intellektuellen Szene von Paris nach 1968 jongliert der chauvinistische Alexandre mit mehreren Beziehungen zu Frauen.In der intellektuellen Szene von Paris nach 1968 jongliert der chauvinistische Alexandre mit mehreren Beziehungen zu Frauen.In der intellektuellen Szene von Paris nach 1968 jongliert der chauvinistische Alexandre mit mehreren Beziehungen zu Frauen.

  • Regie
    • Jean Eustache
  • Drehbuch
    • Jean Eustache
  • Hauptbesetzung
    • Bernadette Lafont
    • Jean-Pierre Léaud
    • Françoise Lebrun
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    7,7/10
    7375
    IHRE BEWERTUNG
    • Regie
      • Jean Eustache
    • Drehbuch
      • Jean Eustache
    • Hauptbesetzung
      • Bernadette Lafont
      • Jean-Pierre Léaud
      • Françoise Lebrun
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    • 42Kritische Rezensionen
    • 89Metascore
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      • 3 Gewinne & 1 Nominierung insgesamt

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    Bernadette Lafont
    Bernadette Lafont
    • Marie…
    Jean-Pierre Léaud
    Jean-Pierre Léaud
    • Alexandre
    Françoise Lebrun
    Françoise Lebrun
    • Veronika…
    Isabelle Weingarten
    Isabelle Weingarten
    • Gilberte…
    Jacques Renard
    Jacques Renard
    • L'ami d'Alexandre…
    Jean-Noël Picq
    Jean-Noël Picq
    • Le fan d'Offenbach
    Jessa Darrieux
    Jessa Darrieux
    • L'amie à la main blessée
    Berthe Granval
    Berthe Granval
    • L'amie de Marie…
    Geneviève Mnich
    Geneviève Mnich
    • L'amie de Veronika…
    Marinka Matuszewski
    Jean-Claude Biette
    Jean-Claude Biette
    • Un homme aux Deux Magots
    • (Nicht genannt)
    Pierre Cottrell
    Pierre Cottrell
      Jean Douchet
      Jean Douchet
      • Un homme au Café de Flore
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      Douchka
        Bernard Eisenschitz
        Bernard Eisenschitz
        • Maurice
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        Jean Eustache
        Jean Eustache
        • Le mari de Gilberte
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        Caroline Loeb
        Caroline Loeb
        • Une jeune fille qui lit le journal en terrasse
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        Noël Simsolo
        Noël Simsolo
        • Un homme au Café de Flore
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        • Regie
          • Jean Eustache
        • Drehbuch
          • Jean Eustache
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        5claudio_carvalho

        The Overrated and Dull Sexual Adventures of a Pedantic Chauvinist

        In Paris, the pedantic Alexandre (Jean-Pierre Léaud) lives with his mate Marie (Bernadette Lafont) in her apartment, an open relationship. Alexandre, who is idle and chauvinist, spends his days reading, drinking and shagging women. After flirting with his former affair, Gilberte (Isabelle Weingarten), who tells him that she will marry soon her boyfriend, Alexandre meets the Laenne Hospital nurse Veronika Osterwald (Françoise Lebrun) and they schedule a date. Alexandre learns that Veronika is a promiscuous woman that loves to shag and introduces her to Marie. They have a threesome and Alexandre has a crush on Veronika.

        "La Maman et la Putain" is an overrated and dull French New Wave cult-movie by Jean Eustache about the sexual adventures of a pedantic chauvinist. I do not have the intention to offend the umpteen fans of this director and film, but I really did not like this long film of three and half hours. There are witty dialogs and situations, but in general I found it very dull with empty characters.

        The expensive DVD released in Brazil by Lume Distributor is a shameful recording of French television broadcasting with an announcement in the credits. My vote is five.

        Title (Brazil): "A Mãe e a Puta" ("The Mother and the Whore")
        10disorder00

        One of the last classics of the French New Wave

        One of the last classics of the French New Wave. For direction, cineaste Jean Eustache drew from the simplicity of early-century cinema; for story, Eustache drew on the torments of his own complicated love life. So many things can be said of this film - observationally brilliant; self indulgently overlong; occasionally hilarious; emotionally draining...etc. etc. In my mind, whatever complaints that can be leveled against this film are easily overshadowed by its numerous strengths. Every film student, writer, or simply anyone willing to handle a 3 hour film with no abrupt cuts, no music video overstyling, no soap opera-like plot twists, and no banal dialogue should make it a point to see this movie. Everything is to be admired: the writing (concise, clever, surprisingly funny), acting (everyone, quite simply, is perfect in their respective roles), and, simple direction (the viewer feels like a casual observer within the film) make this film unforgettable. This is undoubtedly a film that stays with you.
        10Quinoa1984

        "In Paris, lovers have their own strange ways."

        In what could have been seen as a coup towards the sexual "revolution" (purposefully I use quotations for that word), Jean Eustache wrote and directed The Mother and the Whore as a poetic, damning critique of those who can't seem to get enough love. If there is a message to this film- and I'd hope that the message would come only after the fact of what else this Ben-Hur length feature has to offer- it's that in order to love, honestly, there has to be some level of happiness, of real truth. Is it possible to have two lovers? Some can try, but what is the outcome if no one can really have what they really want, or feel they can even express to say what they want?

        What is the truth in the relationships that Alexandre (Jean-Pierre Leaud) has with the women around him? He's a twenty-something pseudo-intellectual, not with any seeming job and he lives off of a woman, Marie (Bernadette Lafont) slightly older than him and is usually, if not always, his lover, his last possible love-of-his-life left him, and then right away he picks up a woman he sees on the street, Veronika (Françoise Lebrun), who perhaps reminds him of her. Soon what unfolds is the most subtly torrid love triangle ever put on film, where the psychological strings are pulled with the cruelest words and the slightest of gestures. At first we think it might be all about what will happen to Alexandre, but we're mistaken. The women are so essential to this question of love and sex that they have to be around, talking on and on, for something to sink in.

        We're told that part of the sexual revolution, in theory if not entirely in practice (perhaps it was, I can't say having not been alive in the period to see it first-hand), was that freedom led to a lack of inhibitions. But Eustache's point, if not entirely message, is that it's practically impossible to have it both ways: you can't have people love you and expect to get the satisfaction of ultimate companionship that arrives with "f***ing", as the characters refer over and over again.

        The Mother and the Whore's strengths as far as having the theme is expressing this dread beneath the promiscuity, the lack of monogamy, while also stimulating the intellect in the talkiest talk you've ever seen in a movie. At the same time we see a character like Alexandre, who probably loves to hear himself talk whether it's about some movie he saw or something bad from his past, Eustache makes it so that the film itself isn't pretentious- though it could appear to be- but that it's about pretentiousness, what lies beneath those who are covering up for their internal flaws, what they need to use when they're ultimately alone in the morning.

        If you thought films like Before Sunrise/Sunset were talky relationship flicks, you haven't met this. But as Eustache revels in the dialogs these characters have, sometimes trivial, or 'deep', or sexual, or frank, or occasionally extremely (or in a subdued manner) emotional, it's never, ever uninteresting or boring. On the contrary, for those who can't get enough of a *good* talky film, it's exceptional. While his style doesn't call out to the audaciousness that came with his forerunners in the nouvelle vague a dozen years beforehand, Eustache's new-wave touch is with the characters, and then reverberating on them.

        This is realism with a spike of attitude, with things at time scathing and sarcastic, crude and without shame in expression. All three of the actors are so glued to their characters that we can't ever perceive them as 'faking' an emotion or going at all into melodrama. It's almost TOO good in naturalistic/realism terms, but for Eustache's material there is no other way around it. Luckily Leaud delivers the crowning chip of his career of the period, and both ladies, particularly Labrun as the "whore" Veronika (a claim she staggeringly refutes in the film's climax of sorts in one unbroken shot). And, as another touch, every so often, the director will dip into a quiet moment of thought, of a character sitting by themselves, listening to a record, and in contemplation or quiet agony. This is probably the biggest influence on Jim Jarmusch, who dedicated his film Broken Flowers to Eustache and has one scene in particular that is lifted completely (and lovingly) in approach from the late Parisian.

        Sad to say, before I saw Broken Flowers, I never heard of Eustache or this film, and procuring it has become quite a challenge (not available on US DVD, and on VHS so rare it took many months of tracking at various libraries). Not a minute of that time was wasted; the Mother and the Whore is truly beautiful work, one of the best of French relationship dramas, maybe even just one of the most staggeringly lucid I've seen from the country in general. It's complex, it's sweet, it's cold, it's absorbing, and it's very long, perhaps too long. It's also satisfying on the kind of level that I'd compare to Scenes from a Marriage; true revelations about the human condition continue to arise 35 years after each film's release.
        10yarns

        one of the greatest films ever made

        It is not an easy film to watch - it is over three and a half hours long and it is composed entirely of conversations. Yet it is so incredibly compelling and ruthlessly observational of the human character, that it is, in my humble opinion, one of the very greatest films of all time.

        The film is depressing, cynical and cruel. (If you want something uplifting, see Jacques Rivette's fantastic Céline and Julie Go Boating, which was made around the same time). It shows the idealism of the late 1960s to be nothing different from the society that it was trying to change.

        It involves a supposedly liberated ménage-à-trois between Alexandre (played by Jean-Pierre Leaud), Marie (Bernadette Lafont) and Veronika (Francoise Lebrun). Yet Alexandre is shown to be as chauvinistic and jealous as any other man. The women are exposed as being willingly subservient and defining their femininity through the male gaze.

        The film is an extremely icy end to the highly revolutionary French New Wave. This movement was one of the most significant movements in film history and had a profound effect on cinema as we know it. Jean-Pierre Leaud was one of the key actors of the New Wave, having starred (among other films) in the influential Les Quatres Cent Coups (1959) by Francois Truffaut as a rebellious teenager. Director Jean Eustache is not as well known as other directors from the New Wave, but he should be.

        There is no improvisation (unlike in John Cassavetes's similar films made in the US) and the dialogue comes from real-life conversations. The film is resonant with Eustache's personal experiences. For example, Francoise Lebrun was a former lover of Eustache. Eustache himself committed suicide in 1981 and the real-life person that the character Marie was based on, did too. The anger and bitterness all culminate in a harrowing monologue by Veronika delivered directly to the audience, breaking down the coldly objective nature of the rest of the film. This mesmerising, personal, and honest filmic statement remains one of the most revealing films of human nature around.
        Blueghost

        The reason major studios frown on "director's cuts"...

        ... is because of films like this.

        Don't get me wrong. I like independent cinema, and particularly like good foreign films, but this film could have been cut by at least an hour.

        I'll explain.

        The film revolves around a self centered young man who professes he loves certain women, but is really looking for someone to love him. Enter a woman who doesn't love herself, but finds this same young man, taps his energy, and both wind up "flowering" for it.

        This movie revolves around the sexual morays and politics of a small group of Parisians. The film starts out very strong. Actors present characters in an extended first act that we would like to get to know, but, unfortunately this pic becomes the poster boy for the proverbial "long boring French film" replete with characters who light up cigarettes and talk in either cafés or materially spartan rented rooms about how life should be different, and what it all means. Toss in an Oedipal complex/undercurrent, and you have the quintessential French avante-garde flick.

        Huh.

        Inspite of this there's some good material in this film, but director Jean Eustache (probably to make up for lack of scheduling and some technical aspects) throws a lot of dialog at the audience that would've have been better served with some visual cues.

        All in all it shows how messed up an certain sect of French culture really is, and, perhaps ironically, drives home a realist message regarding the act of coupling.

        Technically it's bare bones. Lots of natural lighting is fused with high contrast B&W cinematography, and to add to the rugged feel of the film the scratch track is used. Little to no looping of dialog. You can hear what pros call "room tone" as it was actually recorded during filming.

        I could go off the deep end and call this film self-indulgent, pretentious et al, but will say instead that the exposition given to the story was "over-exposed" (for lack of a better term). The symbolism is fine, but a lack of visuals and a borderline in-you-face delivery of certain dialog, hampers what could have been a much better film. By that I don't mean commercially successful nor accessible, but a film that could have delivered the same gists, character and message without the flaunting its strive for artistic excellence.

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          This film is based on the real-life relationship between director Jean Eustache and actress Francoise Lebrun (who plays Veronika). The character based on her is named Gilberte in the movie and is played by Isabelle Weingarten.
        • Patzer
          Alexandre can be seen drinking a bottle of 1970 Gevrey-Chambertin, which would have been far too expensive for him to have purchased. This error is illuminated by his notable lack of money during the cafe scene, in which his date pays for his bill.
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          Veronika: Why shouldn't women be able to say they want to fuck?

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          Featured in Étoiles et toiles: L'érotisme au cinéma (1983)
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          Written by Bruno Balz, Michael Jary and Ralph Benatzky

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        • Erscheinungsdatum
          • 6. Juli 1973 (Westdeutschland)
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          • Frankreich
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          • Französisch
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        • Drehorte
          • Café Les Deux Magots - 6 place Saint-Germain-des-Prés, Paris 6, Paris, Frankreich(Alexandre's usual café)
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          • 3 Std. 37 Min.(217 min)
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