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Die Sieger

Originaltitel: The Victors
  • 1963
  • 16
  • 2 Std. 55 Min.
IMDb-BEWERTUNG
6,9/10
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IHRE BEWERTUNG
Senta Berger, Romy Schneider, Melina Mercouri, Jeanne Moreau, Rosanna Schiaffino, and Elke Sommer in Die Sieger (1963)
Eine TragödieDramaKrieg

Intelligente, weitläufige Saga über eine Gruppe amerikanischer Soldaten, die sie während des Zweiten Weltkriegs durch Europa begleitet.Intelligente, weitläufige Saga über eine Gruppe amerikanischer Soldaten, die sie während des Zweiten Weltkriegs durch Europa begleitet.Intelligente, weitläufige Saga über eine Gruppe amerikanischer Soldaten, die sie während des Zweiten Weltkriegs durch Europa begleitet.

  • Regie
    • Carl Foreman
  • Drehbuch
    • Alexander Baron
    • Carl Foreman
  • Hauptbesetzung
    • Vince Edwards
    • Albert Finney
    • George Hamilton
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    6,9/10
    1898
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    • Regie
      • Carl Foreman
    • Drehbuch
      • Alexander Baron
      • Carl Foreman
    • Hauptbesetzung
      • Vince Edwards
      • Albert Finney
      • George Hamilton
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    • Nominiert für 1 BAFTA Award
      • 2 Nominierungen insgesamt

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    Vince Edwards
    Vince Edwards
    • Pvt. George Baker
    • (as Vincent Edwards)
    Albert Finney
    Albert Finney
    • Russian Soldier
    George Hamilton
    George Hamilton
    • Cpl. Theodore Trower
    Melina Mercouri
    Melina Mercouri
    • Magda
    Jeanne Moreau
    Jeanne Moreau
    • French Woman
    George Peppard
    George Peppard
    • Cpl. Frank Chase
    Maurice Ronet
    Maurice Ronet
    • French Lieutenant
    Rosanna Schiaffino
    Rosanna Schiaffino
    • Maria
    Romy Schneider
    Romy Schneider
    • Regine
    Elke Sommer
    Elke Sommer
    • Helga Metzger
    Eli Wallach
    Eli Wallach
    • Sgt. Joe Craig
    Michael Callan
    Michael Callan
    • Eldridge
    Peter Fonda
    Peter Fonda
    • Weaver
    James Mitchum
    James Mitchum
    • Pvt. Robert Grogan
    • (as Jim Mitchum)
    Senta Berger
    Senta Berger
    • Trudi Metzger
    Albert Lieven
    Albert Lieven
    • Herr Metzger
    Mervyn Johns
    Mervyn Johns
    • Dennis
    Tutte Lemkow
    Tutte Lemkow
    • Sikh Soldier
    • Regie
      • Carl Foreman
    • Drehbuch
      • Alexander Baron
      • Carl Foreman
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    derek-griffiths

    A superb drama about the universal madness of war

    Predating APOCALYPSE NOW by fifteen years, this is the most powerful, sad, ironic and hard-hitting anti-war film I have seen and I rank it nearly on a par with KING RAT, my personal favourite. A group of ill-assorted soldiers make their way through the grim battlefields of France and Germany and Italy as much oppressed by their own corrupt fellow soldiers and officers as the enemy. There are so many memorable scenes in the movie of suffering, loneliness and the tragedy of war that I cannot recommend it highly enough. The script is literate, uncompromising, surprising and resolutely objective about both the enemy and the liberators that fight them. The cast is an amazing ensemble of talent and there is a sense of really brutal authenticity in the film which seldom is to be found in the cinema today. A final grim twist at the end, reflecting the height of the Cold War when the film was made, is one of the simplest and most articulate statements on the continuing madness of human conflict we are still gripped by. Coppola, Stone and every other great film-maker dealing with war in its various incarnations is indebted to this unique movie.
    domingox7

    it took a soldier to do that

    What ever happened to this wonderful movie? When I was at the University of Oregon in the late 60s and early 70s it was shown on local t.v. in Eugene several times. I have not seen it since but it has lingered in my memory. What a great film.

    One scene that has stayed with me all these years is the one with the dog. A new recruit shows up and joins a group of tired and war-weary vets. The new recruit has a young puppy and wants to bring it along. The puppy is cute and because I had watched a ton of American war films I thought that everyone would embrace the dog, make it their mascot and have a merry time as they wasted Krauts in the Hurtgen Forrest but the vets will not allow the dog to join them. What the vets know and the new guy doesn't is that they are headed for a place where only those with a hard heart survive. The Hurtgun is no place for pups or children. Only a certain type of individual could possibly survive there. You can see it in the vets that they would like to indulge the new guy and his dog, but they know better. They make the recruit leave the dog as they board the truck headed for the front. The puppy starts following the truck as it pulls away and the innocent new guy gets all excited and calls to him as it trails the truck. A vet pulls out his M-1 and shots the dog dead. Another vet turns to the new guy who is stunned in disbelief and says "it took a soldier to do that".

    This movie, this scene and this line have stayed in my mind and its been over 30 years since last I've seen it.
    KatMiss

    AN EXTRAORDINARY NEW KIND OF WAR FILM

    Carl Foreman's "The Victors" is extraordinary for two reasons:

    1) it emphasizes the characters over the action

    2) while being a "spot the star" flick, this is a film made up of smaller stars.

    Among the "smaller" stars in this, we have Vince Edwards, George Hamilton, Albert Finney, Peter Fonda, Eli Wallach and George Peppard. Perhaps they are not as big as the ones who appeared in the popular war epics of the time, but I think it benefits from this approach. The film is a bunch of low-key stories strung together by the war and these low-key actors are perfect for this approach.

    There are action scenes. It wouldn't be a war film without them. But after a while, I got tired of action scene after action scene and I appreciated a film that let us get to know these soldiers and how they felt about the war and life. It predates Terrence Malick's "The Thin Red Line" by about 33 years, but it's just as effective.

    Carl Foreman was famously blacklisted during the 1950s and only now is his work appreciated. His credits include "The Bridge Over The River Kwai" and "The Guns of Navarone" and in this, his directorial debut, he demonstrates the skill and drama of the earlier pictures along with the character studies. The result: a richly textured film, one of 1963's best. If only more people knew about it. Columbia, if you're reading this, release it on tape and DVD NOW!

    **** out of 4 stars
    yenlo

    A very stirring scene.

    While not your standard WWII picture The Victors is comprised of short tales about a group of American GIs who slog their way from one spot in the European theater to another. One scene I found to be very powerful. It is a scene of an American GI being executed for desertion with the films background music being a Christmas carol. I took this to be the execution of Private Eddie Slovik who was the only American executed in the Second World War for desertion. It is viewed on the screen from a distance so there are no close up shots. I would recommend this film for the purpose of that one scene alone.
    8tarmcgator

    Ahead of its time

    It's gratifying to read so many other appreciative reviews of this too-little-seen film.

    I was 12 years old when Life magazine ran a spread on "The Victors" late in 1963, shortly before its release, and I recall the article was a bit negative in describing the film, as though the reviewer couldn't accept a film that depicted World War II so bleakly. Few films about Americans in that war had ever portrayed them so unheroically. (The only one I can think of is Robert Aldrich's "Attack!") The movie's Christmas season release in a country still reeling from the JFK assassination knocked this grim film out of theaters in a matter of three or four weeks. It was shown several times on the old CBS late movie series in the late '60s (where I first got to see it), but I've only seen it once on a premium cable presentation, in the mid-'90s. Several years ago I was able to obtain a 16mm print from the only rental house that offered it, but it was a scan-and-pan version from which some scenes had been cut.

    One of these scenes, quickly trimmed from the initial release version, depicted a young European boy trying to sell a sexual service to American GIs; I think the other scene that was cut involved one of the female stars in the film. Even for the early 1960s, "The Victors" was a sexually frank film (without being in any way pornographic), which certainly must have offended some early viewers and exhibitors. Indeed, despite the American characters, the film really is more European in flavor and moral atmosphere. (Foreman, blacklisted by Hollywood in 1953, had been living in England for several years when he made the film, and his directorial style seems to owe much to the Italian neo-realists.)

    (It's also interesting to contemplate that Foreman's previous film outing had been as writer and producer of "The Guns of Navarone." One is tempted to think that the gala heroics and spectacular action of that popular film may have prompted Foreman to make a more realistic war movie.)

    The episodic format of "The Victors" also makes it a difficult viewing experience for people used to more continuity in their films. Foreman based the film rather faithfully on Alexander Baron's novel, "The Human Kind," itself essentially a collection of short sketches involving the same wartime characters (in the novel, they're British soldiers, but Foreman retained their names for the American film characters). Still, for a repeat viewer, it is possible to see the characters change through the episodes. Some of the characters disappear with no explanation, others are suddenly promoted, new characters appear unheralded. Life, and war, are like that sometimes. And there is some shrewd foreshadowing: Early in the film, Trower (George Hamilton) remarks that he hopes to meet a Russian soldier; and be sure to take careful note of Grogan (Jim Mitchum) in his first few scenes.

    "The Victors" is not without humor or compassion, but Foreman's purpose was to eliminate the heroics and the excitement of combat and to demonstrate that, as much as we try to rationalize it, war is a degrading experience for all concerned. The corrupting of a lovely young musician (Romy Schneider) by an American soldier (Michael Callan), the fleeting affair between Baker (Vince Edwards)and a young Italian mother (Rosanna Schiaffino), the encounter between Sgt. Craig (Eli Wallach) and a shell-shocked French woman (Jeanne Moreau) -- all remain vivid in the memory.

    Another interesting feature of "The Victors," which was not in the novel, is Foreman's use of wartime newsreels as counterpoint to the fictional scenes. Sometimes it's a little too cute, but mostly it works.

    Foreman knew that most people who saw "The Victors" would have an idea of what war action was like, if only from earlier war movies. What he wanted to show, what few earlier war films ever showed, was the moral wear-and-tear of combat on solder and civilian alike, in victory or defeat. To a large extent he succeeds. This is a film well-deserving of DVD release (in its complete widescreen version). And if you like this film, go the TCM website and demand that they show it!

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    • Wissenswertes
      This film opened in London in the winter of 1963 at a length of 175 minutes and was universally criticized for being too long. It did not generate much box-office interest in this initial engagement and, by the time it went out on general release several weeks later, it had been trimmed by a little over a quarter of an hour. As it was a film filled with brief (or prolonged) episodes of war rather than one continuing plot-line, it was easy to shorten the film by taking out one episode in its entirety - a story concerning a young French orphan who is unofficially adopted by the platoon, and who, as the soldiers are horrified to discover, has survived the German occupation by becoming a child prostitute. This role was played by the French teenage actor Joel Flateau, who was still prominently billed on the film's posters and in the opening credit sequence. The film did no better at the box-office, and vanished from sight in Britain for many years, until, in 2004, it began to appear again on British television, and also got a DVD release in the same period. The episode was not restored, however, and Flateau's name was now excised from the credits. The film was also now missing other scenes, notably a brief one where some British soldiers, finding a piano in a ruined building, sing the traditional army song, "The Long And The Short And The Tall" - not in the usual bowdlerized version, but with liberal use of the F-word, which here was used for the first time in an English-language film.
    • Patzer
      "Psst! Feind hört mit" meaning "Shh! Enemy is listening" appears in a scene on a wall. Then it changes to incorrect "Psst! Feine hört mit". Then it changes to the correct first version again.
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      [Craig is sound asleep in Philippe's old bed. Sounds of explosions and gunfire rage on outside, but he doesn't stir. A noise startles him awake and he grabs his gun barrel]

      Sgt. Craig: Who's there?

      [It's the French Woman. She's cowering in a corner of the bedroom]

      French Woman: I'm sorry. I didn't want to disturb you, but I'm frightened. I just wanted to stay here, near someone.

      Sgt. Craig: Those are our guns, I think.

      French Woman: Mmm... It's not the guns, it's the planes! They were bombing till a moment ago, and you never woke up!

      [She begins to sob]

      French Woman: I slept for a while, and I haven't been able to since. I really don't know how you can sleep with all that!

      [She and Craig hear explosions outside]

      French Woman: I can't be alone. I just can't bear it anymore. Please... may I stay here? I won't bother you. Please!

      [Craig lifts the covers of the bed, beckoning her in. Gratefully, she gets in beside him]

    • Crazy Credits
      Opening credits prologue: ENGLAND, 1942
    • Alternative Versionen
      Some prints run 156 minutes.
    • Verbindungen
      Edited into Bass on Titles (1982)
    • Soundtracks
      March of The Victors
      Written by Sol Kaplan Freddy Douglass

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      • 20. Februar 1964 (Westdeutschland)
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      • 2 Std. 55 Min.(175 min)
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