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On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 02:07:22AM +0200, Andreas Granig wrote:
> I've updated the HP at sourceforge and commited it to CVS.
> Bartosz, I've also added you to the Contact page
> (http://moagg.sourceforge.net/contact.php). If you don't want to be
> visible there, just drop a message...

That's ok for me. Just put there my mail instead bogus.example.com ;)
fe...@o2... would be fine.

<cite>
Well,except for Debian, because Bartosz Fenski aka  fEnIo is currently
working on packaging Moagg for Debian :o)
</cite>

And space after comma ;)

> BTW: Oh my god, we've missed the first forum message for light years
> !!!!!!!1! :o)

Don't panic. It's only over month of delay ;)

regards
fEnIo

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Hi,

I've updated the HP at sourceforge and commited it to CVS.
Bartosz, I've also added you to the Contact page
(http://moagg.sourceforge.net/contact.php). If you don't want to be
visible there, just drop a message...

Good night,
Andy

BTW: Oh my god, we've missed the first forum message for light years
!!!!!!!1! :o)
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On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:08:25PM +0200, Bernhard Trummer wrote:
> > ...
> > Then I started moaggedit, and on main screen it still shows paths:
> > Maps : /home/fenio
> > Tiles: /home/fenio
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> When starting moaggedit the first time, a file ~/.qt/moaggeditrc will be=
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> created, which initial is a copy of /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc. Since you alrea=
dy=20
> started moaggedit, the old (wrong) content of ~/.qt/moaggeditrc is used=
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> and /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc will be ignored.

Now works great... I should guess that myself ;)

Anyway thanks. I'll add moaggeditrc to package.

regards
fEnIo

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On Saturday 22 May 2004 16:38, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> ...
> Then I started moaggedit, and on main screen it still shows paths:
> Maps : /home/fenio
> Tiles: /home/fenio

When starting moaggedit the first time, a file ~/.qt/moaggeditrc will be=20
created, which initial is a copy of /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc. Since you already=
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started moaggedit, the old (wrong) content of ~/.qt/moaggeditrc is used=20
and /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc will be ignored.

ciao.

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On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 02:35:46PM +0200, Bernhard Trummer wrote:
> > 2) I tried moagg-edit, and unfortunatelly it doesn't work for me.
> >    I mean I can't create new maps, or even open old ones.
> >    It compiled without problem, but I don't know how to start editing...
> >    "New" asks me for size of new map, and when I click OK nothing
> > happens.
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> Before you can do anything, you must set the correct paths to the maps an=
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> the tiles. On my machine, this would be:
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> 	Maps: /home/slash/moagg/levels/
> 	Tiles: /home/slash/moagg/gfx/tiles/
>=20
> Maybe it would be a good idea, to add a config file /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc=
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> with the following content to the deb-package of moaggedit:
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> [paths]
> maps=3D/usr/share/games/moagg/levels/
> tiles=3D/usr/share/games/moagg/gfx/tiles/
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> This way, after installing moaggedit (which then of course should depend =
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> the moagg-data package) one can start and use moaggedit without further=
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> configuration.
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> I hope, that helps.

Well it would be helpful if it will work.

I made this way:

(fenio@domek)~$cat /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc=20
[paths]
maps=3D/usr/share/games/moagg/levels/
tiles=3D/usr/share/games/moagg/gfx/tiles/

(fenio@domek)~$ls /usr/share/games/moagg/levels
frozen  mission1  missions.idx  snakepit  test  tutorials
(fenio@domek)~$ls /usr/share/games/moagg/gfx/tiles=20
background  brick           clay      dirt       sand
blue        categories.idx  concrete  hexagonal  winter
(fenio@domek)~$

Then I started moaggedit, and on main screen it still shows paths:
Maps : /home/fenio
Tiles: /home/fenio

Seems that it ignores those preferences file. I checked=20
`strace moaggedit` and seems that this file is being read.
Don't know what to do now.

Any further advices?

regards
fEnIo

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Hi,

>>1) What about update of homepage? There is still info about 0.8 version.
>>   And what about http://www.happypenguin.org ? Did you send info?
> The homepage and the announcements (except for the SourceForge stuff) are 
> handled by Andy.

Homepage is updated but still not in CVS (will follow tomorrow) and the 
release has been announced. Icewalkers and Freshmeat are already up to 
date, Happypenguin always takes a while ;o)

Andy

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On Saturday 22 May 2004 14:04, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> 1) What about update of homepage? There is still info about 0.8 version.
>    And what about http://www.happypenguin.org ? Did you send info?

The homepage and the announcements (except for the SourceForge stuff) are=20
handled by Andy.

> 2) I tried moagg-edit, and unfortunatelly it doesn't work for me.
>    I mean I can't create new maps, or even open old ones.
>    It compiled without problem, but I don't know how to start editing...
>    "New" asks me for size of new map, and when I click OK nothing
> happens.

Before you can do anything, you must set the correct paths to the maps and=
=20
the tiles. On my machine, this would be:

	Maps: /home/slash/moagg/levels/
	Tiles: /home/slash/moagg/gfx/tiles/

Maybe it would be a good idea, to add a config file /etc/qt3/moaggeditrc=20
with the following content to the deb-package of moaggedit:

[paths]
maps=3D/usr/share/games/moagg/levels/
tiles=3D/usr/share/games/moagg/gfx/tiles/

This way, after installing moaggedit (which then of course should depend on=
=20
the moagg-data package) one can start and use moaggedit without further=20
configuration.

I hope, that helps.

Thanks and ciao.

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On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 09:06:30AM +0200, Bernhard Trummer wrote:
> I just released moagg-0.9 and uploaded the bz2 files to SourceForge.

Great!

It's now well suited for packaging, thanks a lot for that.

Two questions.

1) What about update of homepage? There is still info about 0.8 version.
   And what about http://www.happypenguin.org ? Did you send info?

2) I tried moagg-edit, and unfortunatelly it doesn't work for me.
   I mean I can't create new maps, or even open old ones.
   It compiled without problem, but I don't know how to start editing...
   "New" asks me for size of new map, and when I click OK nothing happens.

regards
fEnIo

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I just released moagg-0.9 and uploaded the bz2 files to SourceForge.

Some highlights of this release are:
* Fix some cosmetical bugs in the mission/level selection menu.
* When a game is finished or aborted, move from the highscore back to the=20
level selection menu instead of the main menu.
* Added mortars, that can shoot grenades, which then may explode to=20
projectiles. Added a tutorial level to demonstrate the mortars.
* Don't quit on startup, if the sound system cannot be initalized. Continue=
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the startup as if the commandline option '-s' was given.
* Implemented bonus and fuel crates, increasing the score / refilling the=20
fuel when picked up. Added a tutorial level to demostrate these crates.

ciao.

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On Tuesday 04 May 2004 22:28, you wrote:
> I wonder how do you test your game with outdated library ;)

We use our own source-tarball of it from:
http://moagg.sourceforge.net/files/paragui-1.0.4.tar.bz2
But don't panic. We didn't apply any moagg-specific patches, that are=20
missing in the upstream version of paragui. :-)

> Well it looks quite good. Anyway I just don't know how it will work with
> other architectures... well we will see ;)

We don't know either.
Some months ago, a friend of mine promised to port moagg to NetBSD.
I think, he is still stuck with building a working libparagui. ;-)

> Sure. Good to know that I can count on you ;)

It might be a good idea for you, to subscribe to the moagg-devel mailing=20
list at http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/moagg-devel
Actually, there won't be much traffic, except of the announcements of new=20
releases...

ciao.

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On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 08:04:03PM +0200, Bernhard Trummer wrote:
>> Anyway, thank you and ciao. I'm looking forward to see moagg-packages in=
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>> next stable release of Debian. :-)

> This will be probably only one package... it's too small to splitting it
> up to more ;)

Forget what I've said before. I didn't notice that you have splitted it
upstream. I mean I noticed this, but I downloaded you game some time
ago, and I unpacked it to some directory... then the problem with
libparagui1.0 shown up so I start messing with it.

When I resolved this problem, I forgot how did you package this game.

Well nevermind... I'm little sleppy now. Just wanna tell you that there
will be -src and -data in Debian too ;)

regards
fEnIo

ps. moagg works great with paragui 1.0.4
    right now it can be fetched from my homepage if you want:
    http://skawina.eu.org/paragui/


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On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 08:04:03PM +0200, Bernhard Trummer wrote:
> > What do you think about including Moagg in the Debian's archives?
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> Since we all use Debian here, we have nothing against it. :-)

Heh... nice to know that you're using Debian ;)
I wonder how do you test your game with outdated library ;)
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> > I could prepare packages. First of all I have to update libparagui
> > library in Debian, cause it is now orphaned and outdated.
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> True. BTW, the most recent version of libparagui seems to be 1.1.7. But=
=20
> actually, we never tried to compile moagg with it. However, paragui-1.0.4=
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> should work well.

I don't intend to package testing version (1.1.7). I'm packaging 1.0.4 now.=
=2E.=20
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> > But then there should be no problem with packaging and including Moagg
> > in Debian...
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> Theoretically not.
> However I have to tell you, that although the build system is based on=20
> autoconf, the Makefile.in framework is hand-written. So I'm not quite sur=
e,=20
> if this violates any Debian-specific policies regarding source packages...

Well it looks quite good. Anyway I just don't know how it will work with
other architectures... well we will see ;)

> So if you need any changes to the upstream source (missing files, directo=
ry=20
> structure, missing Makefile rules) to make your life easier, feel free to=
=20
> contact me.

Sure. Good to know that I can count on you ;)
=20
> Anyway, thank you and ciao. I'm looking forward to see moagg-packages in =
the=20
> next stable release of Debian. :-)

This will be probably only one package... it's too small to splitting it
up to more ;)

regards
fEnIo

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On Tuesday 04 May 2004 18:13, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> What do you think about including Moagg in the Debian's archives?

Since we all use Debian here, we have nothing against it. :-)

> I could prepare packages. First of all I have to update libparagui
> library in Debian, cause it is now orphaned and outdated.

True. BTW, the most recent version of libparagui seems to be 1.1.7. But=20
actually, we never tried to compile moagg with it. However, paragui-1.0.4=20
should work well.

> But then there should be no problem with packaging and including Moagg
> in Debian...

Theoretically not.
However I have to tell you, that although the build system is based on=20
autoconf, the Makefile.in framework is hand-written. So I'm not quite sure,=
=20
if this violates any Debian-specific policies regarding source packages...
So if you need any changes to the upstream source (missing files, directory=
=20
structure, missing Makefile rules) to make your life easier, feel free to=20
contact me.

Anyway, thank you and ciao. I'm looking forward to see moagg-packages in th=
e=20
next stable release of Debian. :-)

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Hello dear Moagg developers.

What do you think about including Moagg in the Debian's archives?
I could prepare packages. First of all I have to update libparagui
library in Debian, cause it is now orphaned and outdated.

But then there should be no problem with packaging and including Moagg
in Debian... all I want to know is what do you think about it ;)

regards
fEnIo

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