Re: [LogiLogi-list] bugs fixed! Now focus on UI!

> Hi all,
> 
> > I just committed fixes for all the bugs I, and urgyen found on the World
> > LogiLogi Day. It should be a lot more stable now!
>
> I found another bug, which I'm not sure if it's already reported. The
> bug can be seen in this url:
> http://en.logilogi.com:3000/sandbox,s1=i142

This is a bug in the RedCloth library v 3.04, which is currently under 
heavy re-design and improvement, and has more issues, so we'll see how
the new version comes out, and if neccesary we might have to fix it
ourselves... (in any way if we have more time on our hands it would be
great to improve the (Super)RedCloth library...)

> > On the 13th I will be presenting Manta at our University. That's little
> > time, and there is a lot to do! It would be great if we got the UI for
> > the user- and peer-group-creation done before that date.
>
> Sure, and we will be on time!

Great!

> > Also Miguel, and Bruno, how is the onmouse-out going for the drop-down
> > menu's ? Besides it would be great if you two also had a look at
> > improving the usability. I made a small step in that direction by
> > adding the names of the languages as title-tags to the flags.
> 
> Well, first, the onmouse-out behavior hasn't been implemented yet and
> I don't know if Miguel is working on that. I guess it will be ready
> for that date. I also got very used to the actual behavior.

Miguel how are things ? Very busey at the moment ?

It would be cool to have it together with the usability improvements
to the link-drop-downs you are working on Bruno...

> About usability, there are too much things to work at as far as I can
> see. The UI is not even close to meet usability and accessibility
> standards, we know that. Wybo, as you said, we could fix the most
> obvious usability flaws, but I also believe that for achieving the
> quality I would like, we should make a major UI redesign, taking in

I fully agree with you on this one. As discussed I submitted a grant-
request for this at the "Digitale Pioniers-project". If we get it we
could do a full usabillity research with humanities-people, and make
the UI even easy for them.

> count from the beginning the new functionalities of Manta in the
> layout, and using as example other projects that have excellent
> approaches to Usability, Accessibility and other important standards
> that aren't meet today at LL. One example of this could be plone.org,
> which is GPL.

I agree.

> This is at least the way I see it, and what I can imagine LL can be in
> the future. I would like to make an approach of the general UI taking
> all the above mentioned in count.
> I would like to have this proposal ready for the upcoming
> presentations, as in this presentations is where things are really
> tested (as the world LL day), but I don't think it will be possible to
> have it done in 12-23 days before the presentations, so we might just
> get down to the fundamental things and then think about further UI
> dev.

I think that it would be best to have as many things as possible
accessable through some sort of UI before the Fosdem presentation, as
most people there will be nerds like we anyway, so they can handle
more in UI-terms... Also it would be great if we could get more
developers interested to become core-developers at that conference...

> What needs to be done right away is:
>  * pop-overs for alternative logis version. (also senses?)
>  * rethink layout of logilinkbox. (I think it should be more clear of
> what each think means, like with a table as in a layout I showed
> before)
>  * user, groups and peer-group settings.
>  * history view layout?
>  * print view layout?

I agree with all these focus-points, with the note that for this month
adding not-yet-implemented parts of the UI (like peer-group creation) 
is more important than refining already existing ones (with the
exception of the link-drop- down-box, as that one is so central to
Manta, and it's meaning is often missed even by wizzkids...).

I am looking forward to your example for the link-drop-down box
improvements... 

I will be working on the index this evening. See you in #logilogi.

Wybo