Re: [LogiLogi-list] LogiLogi.org site UI

Hi Rick,

I'm the Bruno Wybo was talking about ;)
It's great to see somebody else interested in the UI, there is plenty
of work to do and lot's of ideas and lot's already done by Wybo.

I've started participating of LL not long ago, a month or so. I've
been working since then little time, and so far this are the
contributions:

 * New implementation of Wybos requested/received urls, table-less,
the url parts organized in lists (still have to work this concept) and
I tried to manage the html to make it fluid.

 * Created another Wybo's concept, LogiLogiLink (name?) which you can
see here: http://logilogi.org:3000/index_new_gui.html in the link in
the paragraph. Take a look at it and let me know your first
impressions. I think the concept is great an plays a big role in LL
UI. The concept of the link is that it has two posible actions,
depending which half of the link you click on. The first part will
behave as a normal link. The second half will display a popover box of
the Logis for that link (or target).

At the moment I'm working on the general layout. I intended to go for
a 3col table-less layout, but this would take some time to work right
(crosbrowser, etc) and I don't have that time before the release of
Manta version. We also don't find the need for a table-less layout at
the moment as the current layout works as expected, or at least as
Wybo wanted it to be.

I personally believe that for the GUI for the Manta release we should
stick first to the needs of the basic functions and then there will be
time for rethinking the GUI as a whole.

I've started to make tests and play with the layout and I want to get
to a layout with only one table but with text that scales right, and
maybe with a more fluid columns width.

On 11/23/06, Wybo Wiersma <wy...@lo...> wrote:
> > How tied to the UI of the site are we?
>
> We are developing a new one on:
>
> http://logilogi.org:3000/index_new_gui.html
>
> and (the old new one):
>
> http://logilogi.org:3000/
>
> > I'd like to get involved in  UI/look & feel/ AJAX UI/ more DHTML and a more Web 2..0 style editing/Branding (Logi-Logo if you will).
>
> Bruno Sarlo is currently working on the UI. I will be leaving for London
> in 15 mins (back in a week), so you will first have to discuss with him
> about it (also on this list).
>
> About a Logo, we don't really need one now, but the icon in front of the
> url, but with it's colors modified to match the new UI would be something.
>
> We also have no real need for a logo because the header is quite full with
> meaningfull content.
>
I agree with wybo about the logo, and would like to add, that from the
first moment I saw the favicon of LogiLogi I thought it was exelent.
In fact, I believe that there is a lot of logic in the whole idea
arround here, the duality of what you requested and what you received,
the two colors for associate the concepts, the two "L", the similarity
of rythm of the name LogiLogi like the old WikiWiki's, although
LogiLogi is not mainly a Wiki ;)
http://en.logilogi.org/MetaLogi/LogiLogiIsNoWiki

> > It looks like there are a few issues, for example the header and footer:
> >
> > en . LogiLogi.org  / MetaLogi / LogiLogiManta
> > en                   MetaLogi / LogiLogiManta
>
> This is actually meaningfull, but it comes from the old version.
>
> The top-url is the requested, the bottom the received. The new one is a
> bit different but essentially the same.
>
> > If the coming versions will be Ruby backed, we might start with a prototype/scriptaculous front end.
>
> Yep, in Rails, see also: http://en.logilogi.org/LogiLogiManta
>
> It would be a big pre if you know or learn Rails, even for the UI, or at
> least a bit of it.
>
> > Is the site template driven?
>
> Yes, as Rails is, and it's good practice.
>
> > Just let me know what I can do. I noticed that the JS task hasn't had much activity.
>
> The old version (now running at logilogi.org:80) indeed hasn't had much
> change, but that's because we're all working on the new one, and the old
> will be phased out in a few months.
>
> Welcome!,
>
> Wybo
>
> > -Rick
>

I've visited your website designfreq.com and I can tell you that I
share your design filosophy and also believe LL should have lots of
this kind of thinking. I believe that Wybo's decision of moving to
Ruby is the first step towards this goal since Ruby is from the bottom
a very clear language, object-oriented, etc, etc... it all fits!

Again Rick, welcome!, and please let me know your thoughts!

-- 
Bruno