Re: [LogiLogi-list] Gui-design and development.

On 11/13/06, Wybo Wiersma <wy...@lo...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > it was a busy weekend ;)
>
> Mine too. I just committed the hard bit of the diffing-code + tests.
> With a bit of luck we can have document-editing by the end of the week!
>
> > Miguel! apareceee!!!
>
> I'd say introduce yourself further.
>
> > > up this morning with one swollen eye-lid, making it risky to use my
> > > contact-lenses. It's getting better now, but still it's quite strange,
> > > as I never had this before...
> >
> > Hope you are doing better.
>
> It's fine now, looking into the world again ;)
>
> > First of all, I've been very untidy with the html code, I mixed up
> > your id's and classes and at first mixed up the colors, but this was
> > because I was testing in a fast way.
>
> np.
>
> > I'd like to start to organize the UI design process at
> > http://en.logilogi.org/MetaLogi/LogiLogiManta_GUI as you suggested.
> >
> > I'll work on a more tidy draft and publish it.
>
> Ok, looking forward to it, but don't make it too formal or extensive
> yet, GUI-code is the priority now.
>
> > > Adding a drop-down menu to the top_bar, or even to the url_bar, so one
> > > can click the =i1 in 'LogiLogi,s1 @en =i1 =v1' and then see a list with
> > > the other logis, and simmilar for different concepts, so LogiLogi,s1,
> > > if clicked shows a list of other senses of the word LogiLogi, would be
> > > a good thing.
> > >
> > We could work on this, I'm still trying to understand the "s1, @en =i1
> > =v1" things! :s
>
> s1 means Sense 1 (in word,s1)
>
> @en means 'I want english documents only'
>
> (if a user has set no prefs yet, the language is detected from the
> browser-settings, and the first part of the url en.logilogi.org,
> represents this language-preference ('give me english documents if
> they are available'))
>
> =i1 means the Logi (document in other words) with id 1
>
> (there can be multiple logis for the same tag, so =i<number> can be
> used as a permalink to a certain logi)
>
> =v1 means give me version one of this logi
>

Thanks, that makes it all clear.

> > > Words shorter than two characters are not linkable for now, and later
> > > we can add a special rule for those...
> >
> > I belive your idea of half links is exelent to go ahead and see Manta
> > working right now, then there will be time to get the UI better in
> > this aspect.
>
> I agree. Tweaking can be done later.
>
> > > The borders have no different meaning than the requested, received,
> > > and logi-colors they match. The're merely nice, and to make the color-
> > > distinctions clearer.
> > >
> > Ok, I thought it was with some kind of meaning, like visited or
> > something similar... We have to think further about all this, it looks
> > like lots of fun to me. I would take the borders away for now if they
> > are not with a mining as they could distract or confuse, and if you
> > agree.
>
> I agree, although I think they make the design much more beautifull
> and consistent.
>
> (especially for the Context-menu they are even somewhat functional,
> because the contenders, tail-tags and alternatives seem connected now,
> while they should become separate drop-down menu's).
>

Ok.

> > > http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/ActionView/Helpers/PrototypeHelper.html
> > > http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/ActionView/Helpers/PrototypeHelper/JavaScriptGenerator/GeneratorMethods.html
> > >
> > > But for functions not yet in Rails you can safely use plain Prototype,
> > > because it's likely they will be added later on.
> >
> > We'll take this in count and start working between Ruby and Prototype.
>
> Great!
>
> > > This is also a nice spot to check:
> > > http://www.rubyinside.com/16-rjs-resources-and-tutorials-for-rails-programmers-5.html
> > >
> > > Note however that we are on Rails stable, not edge, this because
> > > engines and plugins usually do not work very well with Edge.
> > >
> > > Also a particularily hairy problem is having a 3-column layout with a
> > > footer that keeps neat when any one of the 3 columns are longer than
> > > the others (currently flawed in both http://www.logilogi.org:3000/ and
> > > your file, but ok in the layout of LogiLogi.org).
> >
> > I didn't think this should be a problem, could you explain me better
> > which cases you'd like to solve with the 3 columns? I've studied about
> > this over the internet many times and I've found some strong 3 columns
> > table-less structures.
>
> For example the left-menu can be longer than the body and the
> right-menu, we don't want it to overlap with the footer then. Same
> with the page, and the right-menu. When I was working on the design of
> the old version of LogiLogi I found it quite tricky, especially to
> combine it with a footer that also sticks to the bottom of the screen
> if all three are much shorter than the page.
>
> I had to apply a hack with making some divs to overlap one pixel and
> things like that. Of course this might be a piece of cake for someone
> who has worked with CSS for years, but I found it quite a struggle at
> that time...
>
Ok, this is what I work at most of the time and I wont spend time on
this right now.

> > Also you are right about that we should not waste time right now in
> > those things and try to see Manta running (at least I'm anxious about
> > that).
>
> At the end of next week I'll be visiting some people I know from the
> web in London (easyjet-flight, and staying in the appartment of one
> of them who will be visiting Athens that week). They are interested
> too. I hope to be able to show them editing at least (and possibly
> link-display in documents, and your great work on the GUI).
>
Ok, "easyjet-flight" I want one of those for Christmas.

> > I'll make some minor changes and we'll see what you think.
> > I work on Firefox and always tests on IE 6.0 at least, and could test
> > IE 5.5 too, but it's a bit obsolete.
>
> IE 5.5 can be skipped for now.
>
> > > If you mean adding the file, it would be nice if you included it
> > > in the svn repository. That way we can all see it progress, and
> > > I can also add it easily to www.logilogi.org:3000 then for non-
> > > local use (testing in different browsers and such). Putting it
> > > under public with a name like new_url seems most logical to me.
> >
> > Ok, I will tonight, I hope.
>
> Looking forward to it!
>
> Wybo
>

I'll work at night so you'll probably see the changes tomorrow.

This is a great project Wybo, thanks for it.

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