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From:  Ahmed Khanzada <me-AT-enzu.ru>
To:  Po Lu <luangruo-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject:  Re: "Why is emacs so square?"
Date:  Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:10:44 -0700
Message-ID:  <86a7389qe3.wl-me@enzu.ru>
Cc:  Joseph Garvin <joseph.h.garvin-AT-gmail.com>, Richard Stallman <rms-AT-gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefan-AT-marxist.se>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel-AT-gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz-AT-gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams-AT-oracle.com>, ndame <ndame-AT-protonmail.com>

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 17:42:07 -0700,
> A better language wins extensions, not a "popular" language, and Emacs
> Lisp is definitely more suited to extending editors than TypeScript.

I certainly agree with everyone that Lisp is fantastic, and that
extending Emacs with Emacs Lisp is a great pleasure. And that Emacs Lisp
is certainly superior to any other alternative that I know of. So please
don't think I would want Emacs to use anything other than Lisp.

However, despite Lisp being extraordinarily powerful (truly a "better
language"), no dialect of Lisp is a top 10 language. It seems unlikely
to me that there is no correlation between that fact and the popularity
and accessibility of Emacs.

However, even if there is a correlation, determining the exact nature
and extent of correlation is difficult.



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