Jujutsu: a new, Git-compatible version control system

Posted Jan 22, 2024 18:14 UTC (Mon) by madscientist (subscriber, #16861)
In reply to: Jujutsu: a new, Git-compatible version control system by Wol
Parent article: Jujutsu: a new, Git-compatible version control system

This entire sub-thread is all opinion-based, so my opinion about Magit being simple to understand is no more or less valid than someone else's opinion that Jujutsu's model is simpler. If we hear from someone who BOTH (a) is an experienced user of Magit AND (b) is an experienced user of Jujutsu, and they say that one is simpler to understand, that would carry more weight. But even then, this is fairly subjective.

Also I'm not talking about Git. I'm talking about Magit. Whether you find the staging capability of Git confusing or not is irrelevant to my point, which is that Magit makes it clear why staging exists and what it's good for and how to use it, and makes it easy to use. And, Magit doesn't hide staging or pretend it's just a different way to talk about commits: it's a separate thing, which is integral to the workflow.

I don't really know what you mean by "software house environments"; Emacs is not exactly specialized or with limited availability.

Just to remind there's no such thing as a "programming/computer guru" who is not also an end-user. We are all end-users.

As for why it's complicated, well, some things are just complicated and the only way to simplify them is to remove functionality. Obviously it would be great to have a simple interface to support simple uses and save the complexity for more advanced users, and it would be great if the complex uses could also be made simpler, but to paraphrase Pascal "I am sorry for the complexity of the interface, I have not the time to make it simpler".

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Jujutsu: a new, Git-compatible version control system

Posted Jan 22, 2024 22:00 UTC (Mon) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (2 responses)

> I don't really know what you mean by "software house environments"; Emacs is not exactly specialized or with limited availability.

"Limited availabity" does not mean "in widespread use". I don't think I've ever known a regular user of Emacs apart from my brother.

> Just to remind there's no such thing as a "programming/computer guru" who is not also an end-user. We are all end-users.

You miss my point. All programming/computing gurus are end users, true. But not all (indeed, VERY FEW) end users are programming/computing gurus. In this environment (LWN) I may not be anything special, but *both* in my work and home environment I am a goliath amongst midgets.

In that sort of environment, where do I learn the things, that to you are second nature?

Cheers,
Wol

Jujutsu: a new, Git-compatible version control system

Posted Jan 22, 2024 23:47 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (1 responses)

"Limited availabity" does not mean "in widespread use".

Yes, but perhaps Emacs would be in more widespread use if more people knew about Magit (and org-mode, and all the other goodies that make Emacs so unique and incredibly powerful).

Jujutsu: a new, Git-compatible version control system

Posted Jan 23, 2024 10:29 UTC (Tue) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

And again, you are falling totally into the trap of assuming "everyone is like me".

I've already said I'm very much ALONE amongst my peer group of being a computer expert. MY peer group (which is far more representative of the general workforce than yours) wouldn't have a clue what a SCCS is if you hit them over the head with it! Even less a DVCS!

I don't have a problem with other peoples' opinions (we can all disagree quite friendlily?) UNTIL they assume their opinions apply to the majority. Guess what! We are a VERY SMALL minority!

Cheers,
Wol