Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 15:14 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (guest, #65432)
In reply to: Wayland - Beyond X (The H) by khim
Parent article: Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

> and it's one of the best remote access protocols in existence. Certainly
> better then what inborn X transparency offers.

You're kidding, right? I find RDP to be painfully slow compared to remote X. Maybe that's because the applications I run lack a bunch of eye candy but that's what I experience.

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Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 15:46 UTC (Tue) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link] (5 responses)

>I find RDP to be painfully slow compared to remote X

Could you give some details about the environment you're talking about? Is this over a local LAN? If not, what kind of latency and bandwidth are you talking about?

Also, when you're using RDP, are you talking about Windows remote desktop (or similar), or about an RDP server for X?

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 17:27 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (guest, #65432) [Link] (4 responses)

I use remote X over both LAN and the 'net (previously DSL, now cable).

I connected to the KDE RDP service, which I assume is an RDP server for X. I don't care if it works better on Windows. I don't use Windows.

The problem with RDP is you send the whole damned desktop. I just want one or two applications. Yes, I know about single-window RDP. KDE doesn't seem to support it.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 18:07 UTC (Tue) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link] (3 responses)

Well that's hardly much of a comparison, the RDP server for KDE is very unlikely to support anything more advanced than VNC, actually probably quite a bit less. When everyone is holding up RDP as an example protocol, they are talking about the native implementation on Windows so that is very much relevant to understanding the example.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 18:53 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (guest, #65432) [Link] (2 responses)

Now what did I say in my comment? Oh yeah, I don't use Windows.

Hey, if the Wayland people can retrofit a protocol, great. I have yet to see any real evidence that they intend to work on it but see lots of evidence they won't ("no one uses it" comments all over).

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 23:09 UTC (Tue) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

Well, you can get a Windows instance on Amazon S3 for a couple of bucks. Try to work in it using RDP, you'd be quite surprised.

I'm using RDP right now from Kiev (Ukraine) to work with my Windows compute nodes in California. Ping time is 220ms on average but it's definitely usable.

Plain X remoting is not usable at all. X11vnc is usable, but much more uncomfortable than RDP.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 15, 2012 12:15 UTC (Wed) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link]

>Now what did I say in my comment? Oh yeah, I don't use Windows

Then stop complaining loudly and insistently about the performance of something you've never even bothered to try.