Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 15:12 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (guest, #65432)
In reply to: Wayland - Beyond X (The H) by raven667
Parent article: Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

No, I don't trust them because they keep saying no one needs it. This kind of thing has to be designed in at the beginning. It is absolutely fundamental to the way the system works.

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Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 15:50 UTC (Tue) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link] (6 responses)

>No, I don't trust them because they keep saying no one needs it

Can you point to a single example of anyone saying that? All I've seen is people saying that the X11 protocol itself would be better replaced with a different remoting mechanism.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 17:24 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (guest, #65432) [Link] (5 responses)

Look at all the comments about "no one uses it."

Yes, a different remoting protocol would be great. But they're not considering it from the start and I have a very hard time believing this is something that an be retrofitted and perform in any reasonable fashion.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 17:42 UTC (Tue) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link] (4 responses)

As someone else pointed out ICA and RDP are both retrofits and both are very high performing. VMware View is also working on a high performing remoting protocol and there is SPICE and NX. There has been a lot of research done in last decade or so on how to design remoting protocols and they don't require the entire GUI toolkit on up to be specially designed to work well.

In any event Wayland seems like a much better base to start from in pretty much every way so I'm not going to disparage the work based on so many assumptions based on a lack of evidence or against the available evidence.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 18:50 UTC (Tue) by daglwn (guest, #65432) [Link] (2 responses)

> As someone else pointed out ICA and RDP are both retrofits and both are
> very high performing.

No, not in my experience.

If it can be retrofit, great, I'm all for it. But I am very skeptical that the Wayland people have any real intention to support remote operation at all given comments in the past and in this very article and its comments.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 19:43 UTC (Tue) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978) [Link]

In another comment you say you don't use Windows, which makes it hard to take your dismissal of ICA and RDP as performant protocols seriously.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 15, 2012 17:47 UTC (Wed) by intgr (subscriber, #39733) [Link]

> But I am very skeptical that the Wayland people have any real intention to
> support remote operation

But since it's a frequently requested feature, chances are that someone else will do it sooner or later. Wayland developers sound pretty open to the idea at least -- they even list some reasons why wayland remoting should work better than remote X.

Wayland - Beyond X (The H)

Posted Feb 14, 2012 23:28 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

SPICE: I see a 500Kb/s bandwidth requirement when nothing at all is changing on the screen of my virtual machine. Yes, it's fairly fast at displaying stuff, but bandwidth-efficient that is not.