diff --git a/src/live_effects/effect.cpp b/src/live_effects/effect.cpp
index ad4f8f9e91c1572954e1d9a36a389e61ef14dbf5..c35dfedf492a0a287648a4ea13938ad8564a0cb1 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/effect.cpp
+++ b/src/live_effects/effect.cpp
@@ -1204,12 +1204,6 @@ Effect::doOnApply (SPLPEItem const*/*lpeitem*/)
 {
 }
 
-void
-Effect::setCurrentZoom(double cZ)
-{
-    current_zoom = cZ;
-}
-
 /**
  * Overridden function to apply transforms for example to powerstroke, jointtype or tapperstroke
  */
@@ -1542,6 +1536,11 @@ void Effect::doOnApply_impl(SPLPEItem const* lpeitem)
 void Effect::doBeforeEffect_impl(SPLPEItem const* lpeitem)
 {
     sp_lpe_item = const_cast<SPLPEItem *>(lpeitem);
+    if (SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP) {
+        //we need to set here instead in helper patths because clips/mask itens with LPE are not is selection
+        current_zoom = SP_ACTIVE_DESKTOP->current_zoom();
+    }
+    
     doBeforeEffect(lpeitem);
     if (is_load) {
         update_satellites();
diff --git a/src/live_effects/effect.h b/src/live_effects/effect.h
index 8ceecfba70368104cf9b89e55d67ea43fd67596b..c7e2f3f7d5365845d9d375e8c8d41bb020de5738 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/effect.h
+++ b/src/live_effects/effect.h
@@ -77,7 +77,6 @@ public:
     void transform_multiply_impl(Geom::Affine const &postmul, SPLPEItem *);
     void doOnBeforeCommit();
     void read_from_SVG();
-    void setCurrentZoom(double cZ);
     void setSelectedNodePoints(std::vector<Geom::Point> sNP);
     bool isNodePointSelected(Geom::Point const &nodePoint) const;
     bool isOnClipboard();
@@ -152,6 +151,7 @@ public:
     void setLPEAction(LPEAction lpe_action) { _lpe_action = lpe_action; }
     BoolParam is_visible;
     HiddenParam lpeversion;
+    double current_zoom = 1;
     Geom::PathVector pathvector_before_effect;
     Geom::PathVector pathvector_after_effect;
     SPLPEItem *sp_lpe_item = nullptr; // these get stored in doBeforeEffect_impl, and derived classes may do as they please with
@@ -191,7 +191,6 @@ protected:
     // this boolean defaults to false, it concatenates the input path to one pwd2,
     // instead of normally 'splitting' the path into continuous pwd2 paths and calling doEffect_pwd2 for each.
     bool concatenate_before_pwd2;
-    double current_zoom;
     std::vector<Geom::Point> selectedNodesPoints;
     Inkscape::UI::Widget::Registry wr;
 private:
diff --git a/src/live_effects/lpe-fillet-chamfer.cpp b/src/live_effects/lpe-fillet-chamfer.cpp
index 60b7f0e3ea172619623f10230249509cd416f8a6..9c8b29020e00495f4a5f21a4b4fd36c4ffa5b964 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/lpe-fillet-chamfer.cpp
+++ b/src/live_effects/lpe-fillet-chamfer.cpp
@@ -303,7 +303,6 @@ void LPEFilletChamfer::doBeforeEffect(SPLPEItem const *lpeItem)
     if (!pathvector_before_effect.empty()) {
         //fillet chamfer specific calls
         nodesatellites_param.setUseDistance(use_knot_distance);
-        nodesatellites_param.setCurrentZoom(current_zoom);
         //mandatory call
         nodesatellites_param.setEffectType(effectType());
         Geom::PathVector const pathv = pathv_to_linear_and_cubic_beziers(pathvector_before_effect);
diff --git a/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.cpp b/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.cpp
index e6f3227c1892475ace61509bd944b67b40a63c70..b7017112330e88cbd46c8ba74cc1cf7d10d84163 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.cpp
+++ b/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.cpp
@@ -110,6 +110,9 @@ Geom::PathVector LPEPowerClip::getClipPathvector()
             for (auto clip : clip_path_list) {
                 auto childitem = cast<SPLPEItem>(clip);
                 if (childitem) {
+                    if (!_updating) {
+                        sp_lpe_item_update_patheffect(childitem, false, true);
+                    }
                     res_hlp = sp_get_recursive_pathvector(childitem, res_hlp, false, inverse);
                     if (is_load && _legacy) {
                         childitem->doWriteTransform(Geom::Translate(0, -999999));
@@ -150,6 +153,9 @@ void LPEPowerClip::add()
     SPObject *clip_path = sp_lpe_item->getClipObject();
     SPObject *elemref = NULL;
     if (clip_path) {
+        modified_connection = clip_path->connectModified([this] (auto a, unsigned flags) {
+            modified(a, flags);
+        });
         Inkscape::XML::Document *xml_doc = document->getReprDoc();
         Inkscape::XML::Node *parent = clip_path->getRepr();
         auto childitems = clip_path->childList(true);
@@ -211,15 +217,32 @@ void LPEPowerClip::upd()
 }
 
 
+void 
+LPEPowerClip::modified(auto, unsigned flags) {
+    if (flags & (SP_OBJECT_MODIFIED_FLAG | SP_OBJECT_CHILD_MODIFIED_FLAG) && !_updating) {
+        _updating = true;
+        upd();
+        _updating = false;
+    }
+}
+
 void LPEPowerClip::doBeforeEffect(SPLPEItem const *lpeitem)
 {
     if (!_updating) {
         upd();
     }
+    if (is_load) {
+        SPObject *clip_path = sp_lpe_item->getClipObject();
+        if (clip_path) {
+            modified_connection = clip_path->connectModified([this] (auto a, unsigned flags) {
+                modified(a, flags);
+            });
+        }
+    }
 }
 
 void 
-LPEPowerClip::doOnRemove (SPLPEItem const* /*lpeitem*/)
+LPEPowerClip::doOnRemove (SPLPEItem const* lpeitem)
 {
     SPDocument *document = getSPDoc();
     if (!document) {
@@ -234,12 +257,17 @@ LPEPowerClip::doOnRemove (SPLPEItem const* /*lpeitem*/)
         }
         return;
     }
+    SPObject *clip_path = lpeitem->getClipObject();
+    if (clip_path) {
+        inverse.param_setValue(false);
+        upd();
+    }
+    
     _updating = true;
     SPObject *elemref = document->getObjectById(getId().c_str());
     if (elemref) {
         elemref->deleteObject();
     }
-    SPObject *clip_path = sp_lpe_item->getClipObject();
     if (clip_path) {
         std::vector<SPObject *> clip_path_list = clip_path->childList(true);
         for (auto clip : clip_path_list) {
diff --git a/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.h b/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.h
index fa857884d5c320bc11460414f25c802b3e06d6e3..09500277f3071f0488222084edba7f1124a213de 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.h
+++ b/src/live_effects/lpe-powerclip.h
@@ -10,6 +10,7 @@
 
 #include "live_effects/effect.h"
 #include "live_effects/parameter/message.h"
+#include "helper/auto-connection.h"
 
 namespace Inkscape {
 namespace LivePathEffect {
@@ -22,6 +23,7 @@ public:
     Geom::PathVector doEffect_path (Geom::PathVector const & path_in) override;
     void doOnRemove(SPLPEItem const* /*lpeitem*/) override;
     void doOnVisibilityToggled(SPLPEItem const* lpeitem) override;
+    void modified(auto, unsigned flags);
     Glib::ustring getId();
     void add();
     void upd();
@@ -33,6 +35,7 @@ public:
     BoolParam flatten;
     BoolParam hide_clip;
     MessageParam message;
+    auto_connection modified_connection;
     bool _updating;
     bool _legacy;
 };
diff --git a/src/live_effects/lpe-powermask.cpp b/src/live_effects/lpe-powermask.cpp
index 63e748abeb3c8bc0c53fc9830329abcb26d45d6a..eba66d904cd535f0c32c029987b17a3bb81c9d33 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/lpe-powermask.cpp
+++ b/src/live_effects/lpe-powermask.cpp
@@ -207,7 +207,7 @@ LPEPowerMask::setMask(){
     for (auto iter : mask_list) {
         auto mask_data = cast<SPItem>(iter);
         Inkscape::XML::Node *mask_node = mask_data->getRepr();
-        if (! strcmp(mask_data->getId(), box_id.c_str())){
+        if (!strcmp(mask_data->getId(), box_id.c_str())) {
             continue;
         }
         Glib::ustring mask_data_id = (Glib::ustring)mask_data->getId();
@@ -226,6 +226,10 @@ LPEPowerMask::setMask(){
             sp_repr_css_write_string(css, css_str);
             mask_node->setAttribute("style", css_str);
         }
+        auto *maskitem = cast<SPLPEItem>(iter);
+        if (maskitem && maskitem->hasPathEffect()) {
+            sp_lpe_item_update_patheffect(maskitem, false, false);
+        }
     }
     if ((elemref = document->getObjectById(box_id))) {
         elemref->deleteObject(true);
diff --git a/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.cpp b/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.cpp
index 38b142bc68120edb29a54227a01a4588469adae3..feb9232e75bc29ce42855c92d4d0501a3d7a13a3 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.cpp
+++ b/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.cpp
@@ -83,11 +83,6 @@ void NodeSatelliteArrayParam::setUseDistance(bool use_knot_distance)
     _use_distance = use_knot_distance;
 }
 
-void NodeSatelliteArrayParam::setCurrentZoom(double current_zoom)
-{
-    _current_zoom = current_zoom;
-}
-
 void NodeSatelliteArrayParam::setGlobalKnotHide(bool global_knot_hide)
 {
     _global_knot_hide = global_knot_hide;
@@ -310,10 +305,7 @@ void FilletChamferKnotHolderEntity::knot_set(Geom::Point const &p,
     Geom::Point normal = pathv[satelite_index][subsatelite_index].pointAt(normal_time);
     double distance_mirror = Geom::distance(mirror,s);
     double distance_normal = Geom::distance(normal,s);
-    if ((normal_time == 0 && !is_mirror) ||
-        (mirror_time == 1 && is_mirror) || 
-        Geom::are_near(s, pathv[satelite_index][subsatelite_index].initialPoint(), 1.5 / _pparam->_current_zoom)) 
-    {
+    if (Geom::are_near(s, pathv[satelite_index][subsatelite_index].initialPoint(), 1.5 / _pparam->param_effect->current_zoom)) {
         nodesatellite.amount = 0;
     } else if (distance_mirror < distance_normal) {
         double time_start = 0;
@@ -481,9 +473,9 @@ Geom::Point FilletChamferKnotHolderEntity::knot_get() const
         }
     }
     
-    if (_pparam->_current_zoom && 
-        (Geom::are_near(ssat_path.pointAt(0), ssat_path.pointAt(0.1), 0.5 / _pparam->_current_zoom) ||
-         Geom::are_near(prev_path.pointAt(0), prev_path.pointAt(0.1), 0.5 / _pparam->_current_zoom)))
+    if (_pparam->param_effect->current_zoom && 
+        (Geom::are_near(ssat_path.pointAt(0), ssat_path.pointAt(0.1), 0.5 / _pparam->param_effect->current_zoom) ||
+         Geom::are_near(prev_path.pointAt(0), prev_path.pointAt(0.1), 0.5 / _pparam->param_effect->current_zoom)))
     {
         knot->hide();
     }
diff --git a/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.h b/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.h
index 49855db2286a0f5cac61c87e761e13a61a8b7afe..ce95ec23de6728e782e9274ea0e63f6355b745bc 100644
--- a/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.h
+++ b/src/live_effects/parameter/nodesatellitesarray.h
@@ -54,7 +54,6 @@ public:
     }
     void param_transform_multiply(Geom::Affine const &postmul, bool /*set*/) override;
     void setUseDistance(bool use_knot_distance);
-    void setCurrentZoom(double current_zoom);
     void setGlobalKnotHide(bool global_knot_hide);
     void setEffectType(EffectType et);
     void reloadKnots();
@@ -76,7 +75,6 @@ private:
     Geom::PathVector _hp;
     bool _use_distance = false;
     bool _global_knot_hide = false;
-    double _current_zoom = 0;
     EffectType _effectType = FILLET_CHAMFER;
     PathVectorNodeSatellites *_last_pathvector_nodesatellites = nullptr;
 };
diff --git a/src/object/sp-mask.cpp b/src/object/sp-mask.cpp
index b0f7fd94a5e9cc91a0bee9a840fc87605e08f549..32e148c62d49a678d83d54eb8e4a5249b2a23f76 100644
--- a/src/object/sp-mask.cpp
+++ b/src/object/sp-mask.cpp
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@
 #include "document.h"                                // for SPDocument
 #include "enums.h"                                   // for SP_CONTENT_UNITS...
 #include "sp-defs.h"                                 // for SPDefs
+#include "sp-lpe-item.h"                              // for LPEItems
 #include "sp-item.h"                                 // for SPItem, SP_ITEM_...
 #include "xml/document.h"                            // for Document
 
@@ -204,6 +205,10 @@ char const *SPMask::create(std::vector<Inkscape::XML::Node*> &reprs, SPDocument
     
     for (auto node : reprs) {
         mask_object->appendChildRepr(node);
+        SPLPEItem *maskitem = cast<SPLPEItem>(document->getObjectByRepr(node));
+        if (maskitem && maskitem->hasPathEffect()) {
+            sp_lpe_item_update_patheffect(maskitem, false, false);
+        }
     }
 
     if (repr != defsrepr->lastChild()) {
diff --git a/src/selection-chemistry.cpp b/src/selection-chemistry.cpp
index f572883bc7a46e7e7220d6b8d5bdfa94615f7a29..aed0e4b6c09c05aed966ccc0958bee5c34c010c8 100644
--- a/src/selection-chemistry.cpp
+++ b/src/selection-chemistry.cpp
@@ -3988,6 +3988,15 @@ void ObjectSet::setClipGroup()
 
     for (auto i : items_to_delete) {
         SPObject *item = reinterpret_cast<SPObject*>(i);
+        auto lpeitem = cast<SPLPEItem>(item);
+        if (lpeitem) {
+            // we need to do because deleting item and resurrect on clipboard
+            // cause delete all refs and this are not regenerated because on cliboard
+            // stude increase SPObject delete function to not remove LPE
+            // if we notice more similar pattern
+            // See to improve: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/merge_requests/4843#note_1425238668
+            lpeitem->setAttribute("inkscape:path-effect", nullptr);
+        }
         item->deleteObject(false);
         items_to_select.erase(std::remove(items_to_select.begin(), items_to_select.end(), item), items_to_select.end());
     }
diff --git a/src/ui/knot/knot-holder-entity.cpp b/src/ui/knot/knot-holder-entity.cpp
index 3ec4bc5257a87e11db78a3f6a8682adfd5661419..d405dcedb7e92fbe04268140f3d6f2e816b1d09d 100644
--- a/src/ui/knot/knot-holder-entity.cpp
+++ b/src/ui/knot/knot-holder-entity.cpp
@@ -74,7 +74,7 @@ KnotHolderEntity::~KnotHolderEntity()
 
 void KnotHolderEntity::update_knot()
 {
-    if (auto const knot_pos = knot_get(); knot_pos.isFinite()) {
+    if (auto const knot_pos = knot_get(); knot_pos.isFinite() && item->document) {
         auto const dp = knot_pos * parent_holder->getEditTransform() * item->i2dt_affine();
         _moved_connection.block();
         knot->setPosition(dp, SP_KNOT_STATE_NORMAL);
diff --git a/src/ui/tools/node-tool.cpp b/src/ui/tools/node-tool.cpp
index adb6f56a7a9969fb503832d9fbcd52ef7ff0bf10..64da9c20d11c8b76b884a51275f9eb10ed74d459 100644
--- a/src/ui/tools/node-tool.cpp
+++ b/src/ui/tools/node-tool.cpp
@@ -258,7 +258,6 @@ void sp_update_helperpath(SPDesktop *desktop)
                     }
                 }
                 lpe->setSelectedNodePoints(selectedNodesPositions);
-                lpe->setCurrentZoom(desktop->current_zoom());
                 SPCurve c;
                 std::vector<Geom::PathVector> cs = lpe->getCanvasIndicators(lpeitem);
                 for (auto &p : cs) {