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Willem Dafoe and Luo Yan in Pavillon de femmes (2001)

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Pavillon de femmes

29 reviews
7/10

Very enjoyable, very beautiful to see.

Very enjoyable. Perhaps flawed but very beautiful. The acting quality from character to character was uneven but most of the principals were outstanding. The sets and cinematography were very pleasing to the eye. The story was more like we would see a few years ago when offbeat tales were not mostly told to shock but to enlighten. I hope Yan Luo will have the opportunity to present another story and I hope we will see her in more pictures soon.
  • fester-5
  • Mar 17, 2002
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6/10

Culturally revealing but shy of high marks

The story and set behind Pavilion of Women were grist for a powerful movie. It's about an American priest (Willem Dafoe) running an orphanage in Asia who becomes entangled with a proud Chinese family's tugs of war over love and duty. While Pavilion is engaging enough to keep you awake, it didn't project any of the majesty of greater love-versus-duty romances that come to mind. Its characters cried, but not amid enough conveyed tragedy for its viewers to join in sympathy. Dafoe seemed to absorb his role, but not wholely, for soft-spoken and even-keeled as Dafoe can be, the priest in this movie would have been better portrayed by someone as unknown in the U.S. as the movie's Chinese cast members, whose anonymity aided their credibility and certainly carried the show. There are several wonderfully intense scenes that might even take you back to a love-struck moment in your past. The cinematography gave me pans of the city and garden life now and then, but it left me wishing it had lingered on Asia's beauty and austerity long enough to arouse a connection in me with these people living in 1930s China.

I wouldn't say give it a swerve, because the performances of the local cast was often great. But neither would I recommend making it a late-night movie, if you want to see it before nodding off.
  • davidscruggs
  • Feb 7, 2002
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7/10

All love stories end in tragedy

Pavilion of Women is a romantic drama about tradition in a Chinese family that is started to get shacked up by a generous priest (Willem Dafoe) and his American ideas and ideals. From what the plot says, it sounds like a corny movie, and at times it is laying it on a little thick (the score by Conrad Pope and the ending add to the sometimes lameness). But the film is also well done with fine performances, notably by Dafoe who turn in yet another remarkable performance. B+
  • Quinoa1984
  • May 27, 2001
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Director/producer should have read book

Am I the only one out here who read 'Pavilion of Women'? This film took a great book and what would have been a fantastic female role and turned them both into porridge. In the book, the relationship between Brother Andre and Madame Wu was that of a wise teacher and a brilliant pupil until, literally, the day he died: it wasn't until that day that she realized that she loved him. Pavilion of Women is not a 'romance': it is the awakening of a woman to her own humanity, and, through the transforming power of love, to the humanity of others, whom she has previously regarded only as problems to be solved or duties to be performed. To turn it into a 'romance' is an insult to the author, Pearl Buck, who, for the record, did not write Harlequin-level trash, and the audience, who would have been quite capable of understanding the story as it was originally written. Whoever's responsible for foisting this 'dumbed-down' mess on the universe should be ashamed of themselves.
  • connorblake
  • Jan 27, 2002
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7/10

Really awesome

  • meta4-1
  • Oct 27, 2008
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7/10

Missionery Faces Big Challenge

This is a film which will appeal to a very large group of people because of old customs of a man in China being able to choose a second wife after years of marriage.

The local Missionery has his hands full trying to find ways in order to keep the families from breaking up and at the same time keep himself from being tempted into a sexual relation which is very powerful.

There is plenty of romance and lots of explosions and you name it, this film will keep you interested right to the very end of the film.

Found the film rather long and not produced as well as I expected for a 2001 film. Give it a try.
  • whpratt1
  • Aug 8, 2009
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2/10

Hollywoodish love story -- light years from Pearl Buck's book

  • cbloomer
  • Jun 5, 2008
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6/10

Not as bad as you think it is, but not that good either.

  • PatrynXX
  • Mar 25, 2004
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3/10

Silly and obvious

I could not believe how lousy this film was and I tried to think why. Well its co-made by China and a United States film studio and I think thats where the trouble lies. Its americanized. No original angle or aspect into the chinese people. All the characters are one dimensional and act on the most basic of emotions. Only actress Luo Yan has a few decent moments but the rest is all hokey nonsense. It plays out like a mediocre mini-series and I kept expecting one of two things to happen. Either Richard Chamberlain was going to stumble in OR the characters were going to burst into song and sing "Getting to Know You". The last half hour is so overly dramatic that it puts daytime soaps to shame. Bad filmmaking!
  • rosscinema
  • Sep 1, 2002
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7/10

Too much modern interferes with the story

Beautiful but, modernized a bit to it's detriment; and likely to Pearl Buck's grave chagrin.
  • sambson
  • Mar 17, 2020
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2/10

hollywoodized communist propaganda trash

Good god has no one read the book? It talks of a woman who wakes up on her fortieth birthday determined to break herself free from her duties to her family but without hurting anyone. This sets off a series of events she had not foreseen and does not know how to tackle. All this is set in a period when China was changing. It is a brilliant story of spiritual awakening. And what have they done to it?

The missionary and the lady never even touch each other before he dies. In fact she doesn't even know that she loves him until that point. The son does not settle down with his father's concubine. And the woman does not turn communist, but becomes free in the true meaning of the word.

It just beats me how any one could dare to call this movie by the name of the book. Blasphemous!
  • csabarish
  • Sep 19, 2006
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8/10

Missionary Drama

Director Ho Yim's movie is based on a novel of Pearl Buck. 60-70 years ago, this writer's books were cross-cultural best sellers, bringing to the US and Western audiences the image of the Far East which soon will have become part of the daily lives, when WWII broke. The film story line has all the elements of the time - melodrama, clash between the Western and Chinese traditions, and a missionary message which is probably the most problematic part of the movie.

However, this is a good movie. Certainly, we have seen much better and original ones, coming directly from China without the intervention of the Hollywood producers. Having the film spoken in English may have won some US audiences, but certainly lowers the credibility. However, the filming is exquisite, the historical background is very well re-created, and the acting is fabulous. Is this really Luo Yam's first or second role? This is what IMDB's information says, I simply cannot believe it. She is giving an Oscar level performance, and I am certainly flattering some of the ladies who won feminine role Oscars lately.

Worth seeing. 8/10 on my personal scale.
  • dromasca
  • Dec 13, 2002
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5/10

Good women characters, good start - porridge end

  • jaakkochan
  • Jan 20, 2006
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3/10

Badly adapted from a great novel

  • theatercat
  • May 7, 2009
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On the Melodramatic Side

but it is not bad. This movie seems to play like an opera. There is much exaggeration. Except there is no singing. If there was singing, it would excuse the simplification of the story. Also, there are no scenes were the camera pulls back and allows the viewer to appreciate the landscape and scenery

However, the film is still entertaining. It has some touching moments although the ending was definitely over the top. It is worth watching if you like melodrama.
  • Jalea
  • May 10, 2003
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1/10

waste of time

Having read the entries in the IMDb forum, I was really looking forward to watching this movie--what a disappointment! The movie's cast was mainly Chinese but apart form the very last scene (3 years later) and the banquet scene I could not see anything Chinese in it. Everyone seemed to be talking all the time, rather like in an American movie.

And why does everyone have to speak English? Don't they speak Chinese in China? Not even the pictures were just marginally as powerful as in most Chineese films I have watched.

As the end credits rolled across the screen I realized--Pearl S- Buck. Well, I stopped reading Pearl S.Buck when I was 13 as I couldn't see any challenge in her books. They rather depict the "good old days" the way they never were.
  • restless-2
  • Aug 31, 2006
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3/10

What exactly *happened* here?

  • ex_ottoyuhr
  • Nov 24, 2006
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10/10

A touching love story

Somehow I always feel that Willem Dafoe and the films he starrs in are drastically underrated. It is also the case for this exceptional movie set in pre-comunist China. A simple, touching story about tradition and the constrains that it sometimes brings.

The plot outline is simple. When Ailin turns 40, she decides it is time to retire from her husband's bed, the rich Mr. Wu. In order to do so, she finds a second wife, a woman that would take her place and pleasure the oral-sex-obsessed Mr. Wu. But the young new wife has trouble adapting to her role and the old pervert is not satisfied with her. Meanwhile, Ailin befriends her son's teacher, an American priest named Andre (Willem Dafoe). From here on, the story develops in various directions but I don't want to spoil it for you.

Very good acting and directing on a classical subject.
  • cotu
  • Feb 18, 2003
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1/10

An Isult to the Memory of Pearl S Buck

When a truly great author writes such a thoughtful and penetrating book , one would hope that screenwriters and producers would render it the respect it deserves , but such respect is sadly lacking in this grossly inaccurate dramatization of a true classic . Whether or not you plan to watch this visually rich piece , Please read the book ! If you have any appreciation or interest in traditional Chinese culture , do yourself a favor and read the book before watching this ! The film's inaccuracies rank with those of BBC's Victoria of 2016-2019 , particularly the respective relationships of the main character of each with Father Andre and Lord Melbourne . Painful to watch if you love the book !
  • johnpelaro-43070
  • Feb 6, 2024
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9/10

A Wonderful Epic Romance of Forbidden Loves in Traditional China

In 1938, Ailian (Yan Luo) is the forty years old wife of a wealthy man, Mr. Wu (SheK Sau), who belongs to the traditional Wu Family in China. In order to get rid off her sexual obligations with her husband, Ailian gives Chiuming (YI Ding), a very young concubine to him. Andre (William Dafoe) is an American priest and doctor who takes care of an orphanage and becomes the tutor of her eighteen years old son Fengmo Wu (John Cho). Father Andre starts giving classes to Fengmo, Ailian and Chiuming. Then, two forbidden loves will rise: between the priest and the first wife, and between the son and the concubine, having the invasion of China by the Japanese in a big picture.

Summarizing this wonderful epic romance is not fair: it seems that this movie would be a soap opera. But it is not. This Chinese-American production is indeed a romantic drama, dealing with forbidden loves in an old and traditional China and involving different cultures. The screenplay, photography and soundtrack are very beautiful. The cast and direction are sharp. A worthwhile movie that deserves to be watched more than once. My vote is nine.

Title (Brazil): "Pavilhão de Mulheres" ("Pavilion of Women")
  • claudio_carvalho
  • Aug 3, 2003
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8/10

- a fine example of cross-cultural co-production

Anyone who liked Zhang Yimou's "Raise The Red Lantern" is a prospect for "Pavilion Of Women". Whereas "Raise The Red Lantern" explores the breaking of merely Chinese cultural taboos, "Pavilion Of Women" centres on a romance between leading characters who flout both Chinese and Western mores. This is a cross-cultural romantic story by the prolific American writer on China, Pearl S. Buck, set in the late 1930s. It has first class cross-cultural direction and acting, and was filmed on location in elegant settings of old Suzhou. It is a fine example of what the Chinese film industry can achieve in co-production.
  • gt-14
  • Sep 13, 2002
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10/10

Totally enjoyed this movie and was left wanting more

I just watched this movie for the first time, August 2006, and was left wanting more. I found Willem Defoe charming and real. I will watch it again and again. I am glad it was "Americanized". I think showing the true characters of the far east would have made it boring and too callous in some situations. I prefer an idealized version for a "Romantic MOVIE", I'm tired of all the Realism in real life and this is a wonderful escape with just enough reality to snap you back. I can get all the reality I want with the news. The scenery was spectacular. The way of life for women showed to some degree how men treat women China. Made me feel that if I were a man, that is where I would want to be living. To be pampered all the time and not have to answer to anyone except mother. I was however, surprised how much respect was shown the the mother. Guess the father was dead? Definitely see this movie if you can appreciate a romantic movie. Excellent chick flick.

Thank you for reading my review. A romantic at heart.
  • oranchapps
  • Aug 12, 2006
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8/10

The power of history fades in front of extreme love affairs

  • Dr_Coulardeau
  • May 3, 2008
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10/10

A wonderful journey to another culture and a love story

Pavilion OF WOMEN (2001) – A WONDERFUL JOURNEY TO ANOTHER CULTURE I was pleasantly amazed by this film. When I read the title and saw the poster for the first time, I thought it would be about some kind of sordid story between a western man (Dafoe) and an eastern –chinese- woman, above all because I associated "pavilion" with a jail. Of course, when one watches the film, it becomes clear that it indeed refers to a jail, although in metaphoric terms….

So, first of all I think the landscapes shown are really beautiful. On the second place, one can realize without doubts the role women played in Chinese society and family, the absolute lack of consideration for love in marriage, and the fulfillment of the married woman duties towards her husband.

The discovery of real love by this woman, who, after 25 years of serving her husband, decides to call for a young girl in order to better satisfy him and to relieve herself from her conjugal duties… One could say that she was lucky that her society allowed her to give another wife to her husband…although it wasn't all she needed to be happy, of course. On the other hand, the fact of love growing between her and the western Priest, it was so subtle, she wasn't "searching" for anyone –at least in a conscious way, in my opinion-. The hint of a search for freedom in a society where women were under men's rule is shown in the fact of the two women attending the Priest's classes…. I think they discovered that the world was more than sewing and serving a husband....

I must admit that I bought the movie just because Wilem Dafoe was there….his particular features and ways have always attracted me. After watching the movie I can say that this is an excellent performance from him. One has to consider that he and the Chinese woman are the most important characters around who the story develops, and they both catch the audience's attention, her performance is excellent too.

Well, as I don't want to be a spoiler, I won't write about the end, but I only want to say that it provoked in me a sort of impotence and sadness, for a while I thought about the relevance of a feeling, a caress, a glance, I mean, as a still photograph and without looking forward for much more… and about the vulnerability of human life.

There are several superior values expressed : boldness, courage, respect for tradition, but in the same way the conflict between a too closed ancient tradition and freedom of choice, or free will, arises, as in the young son's decision of leaving home in order to pursue his political ideas and the woman he did love; the Chinese woman's choice of not going with her husband and the rest of the family when the war exploded, among others.

There's only one detail : I think there wasn't any conflict shown between the fact of Andre being a Priest –and consequently, a celibate- and his love for the Chinese woman – perhaps only when he prays "God, forgive me, because I have sinned", but it was all. I wonder if he would have left his religious position, married or at least lived together with her…. Well, but these are only speculations of mine, which don't add to my review, I guess.
  • filopez
  • Jan 4, 2008
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8/10

loved this movie

I love Pearl S. Buck and her book The Good Earth is one of my favorites.

She really has a way of connecting the reader to her characters. In "Pavilion" I felt the same way. The director did a wonderful job of bringing Buck's characters to life. The casting was great and I was so attached to them I didn't want the movie to end. the cinematography of Pre-war china was beautiful without overpowering the story. It has been a long time since a movie moved me like this one did. The love that was between Madame Wu and Andre was beautiful and pure. I cried like a baby at the end.I can only hope that I too will one day find love like that.
  • nahender
  • May 7, 2006
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