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Engrenage mortel

Original title: That Was Then... This Is Now
  • 1985
  • R
  • 1h 42m
IMDb RATING
6.1/10
2.8K
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Emilio Estevez and Craig Sheffer in Engrenage mortel (1985)
Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.
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Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.Two juvenile delinquents find themselves growing apart, for one is growing up, and the other is staying young and reckless.

  • Director
    • Christopher Cain
  • Writers
    • S.E. Hinton
    • Emilio Estevez
  • Stars
    • Emilio Estevez
    • Craig Sheffer
    • Larry B. Scott
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  • IMDb RATING
    6.1/10
    2.8K
    YOUR RATING
    • Director
      • Christopher Cain
    • Writers
      • S.E. Hinton
      • Emilio Estevez
    • Stars
      • Emilio Estevez
      • Craig Sheffer
      • Larry B. Scott
    • 33User reviews
    • 9Critic reviews
    • 45Metascore
  • See production info at IMDbPro
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    Emilio Estevez
    Emilio Estevez
    • Mark Jennings
    Craig Sheffer
    Craig Sheffer
    • Bryon Douglas
    Larry B. Scott
    Larry B. Scott
    • Terry Jones
    Matthew Dudley
    • Curly Shepard
    Jill Schoelen
    Jill Schoelen
    • Angela Shepard
    Kim Delaney
    Kim Delaney
    • Cathy Carlson
    Barbara Babcock
    Barbara Babcock
    • Mrs. Douglas
    Frank Howard
    Frank Howard
    • M & M Carlson
    Morgan Freeman
    Morgan Freeman
    • Charlie Woods
    Francis X. McCarthy
    Francis X. McCarthy
    • Mr. Carlson
    • (as Frank McCarthy)
    Diane Dorsey
    • Mrs. Carlson
    Ramon Estevez
    Ramon Estevez
    • Mike Chambers
    • (as Ramon Sheen)
    David Miller
    • Punk
    Steven Pringle
    • Dirty Dave
    Robert Swan
    Robert Swan
    • Smitty
    • (as Bob Swan)
    John O'Brien
    • Snob
    Paul M. Lane
    Paul M. Lane
    • Paul
    • (as Paul Lane)
    Brooks Gardner
    Brooks Gardner
    • Tim Shepard
    • Director
      • Christopher Cain
    • Writers
      • S.E. Hinton
      • Emilio Estevez
    • All cast & crew
    • Production, box office & more at IMDbPro

    User reviews33

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    gr4kk3r

    A Milestone Movie

    I was born in 1970. While many movies such as Pretty In Pink, etc. were bigger hits, these movies along with a couple of others were incredibly important in what it means to be a friend, what it meant to grow up, and what it meant to grow up in the 80's. It wasn't a "great" movie, but it was a great movie for me and is a great movie about growing up, deciding what is important, forming morals. Will be on my buy list when I get a little money.
    5pierrebonomo

    Disappointment ...

    My grade 10 ESL students read the book and then watched this film version. They were not impressed at all and everyone agreed that it is not a good portrayal of the book. Some essential scenes are missing such as Mike Chamber's story which helps the reader really understand the motivation behind Bryon's change of heart. It would really have not been that difficult to just follow what was written in the book. Someone needs to be blamed for this poor excuse of a film!

    The desperate male students in the class were hoping that the Angela character would have been as hot as she is described in the book!

    Read the book instead.
    8lauren5589

    Good, but ruined by the ending

    "That Was Then...This Is Now" followed the book relatively closely up until the last scenes. I thought the acting could have been better, and I think it would have been a better movie if they had left it in the time period the book was in. Despite this, I thought it was pretty good, and I liked it until the last few scenes. The book was so powerful and real in the last chapters- and the movie took all of this out. I thought it would have been a good ending- for a whole different movie, for "That Was Then...", it was wrong, and in my opinion ruined the movie.
    lansorme

    Fails to do the book justice

    This is a very poor adaption of one of S.E. Hinton's best novels. The characterizations are quite off the mark, and there is little to no development of situations and characters. Periodically the viewer is thrown into really weak attempts at "deep", philosophical dialogue from out of nowhere - straight out of the book but oddly out of place in this disjointed film.

    The acting is not much better. Only Frank Howard (as M&M) and Morgan Freeman (as Charlie) really make their roles believable. Emilio Estevez, perhaps due to the script itself, never makes Mark the character he needs to be to actually propel the story in the right direction.

    All I can make of this film is an attempt at grabbing the same attention as "The Outsiders", another (and much better) film adaption of a S.E. Hinton novel. Both books/films have a few characters in common, some similar themes, and Emilio Estevez. "That was then..." just doesn't work out.
    DunnDeeDaGreat

    One of Estevez's best early performances

    That Was Then... This Is Now is one of the best early performances of Emilo Estvez as a writer and actor. Estevz brings Mark to life they way S.E.Hinton intened by being brutal and cut throat in his performace. All of the actors in the film give equally good performacnes in particular Morgan Freemen and Craig Sheffer. A underlooked gem.

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    • Trivia
      Emilio Estevez's original script followed the book's ending more closely. Paramount Pictures executives forced Estevez to re-write the ending to be more "optimistic" and "realistic".
    • Goofs
      In just about every scene where a bus is involved, it's bus #461.
    • Quotes

      Mark Jennings: Let's move out... Teabag!

    • Connections
      Featured in Randy Wayne & Carroll Sue Hill: That Was Then, This Is Now (1985)
    • Soundtracks
      Born Alone
      Written by Scott Lipsker & Mike Kapitan

      Performed by Kipp Lennon

      Produced by Scott Lipsker & Mike Kapitan

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    • Release date
      • November 8, 1985 (United States)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • That Was Then... This Is Now
    • Filming locations
      • Spanky's Saloon - 1066 7th St East - St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
    • Production companies
      • Media Ventures
      • Paramount Pictures
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    • Gross US & Canada
      • $8,630,068
    • Opening weekend US & Canada
      • $2,502,780
      • Nov 10, 1985
    • Gross worldwide
      • $8,630,068
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    • Runtime
      1 hour 42 minutes
    • Color
      • Color
    • Sound mix
      • Dolby Stereo
    • Aspect ratio
      • 1.85 : 1

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