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The Todd Killings

  • 1971
  • R
  • 1h 33m
IMDb RATING
6.0/10
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Robert F. Lyons in The Todd Killings (1971)
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An overgrown adolescent lives off his mother and leads small-town California teens astray.An overgrown adolescent lives off his mother and leads small-town California teens astray.An overgrown adolescent lives off his mother and leads small-town California teens astray.

  • Director
    • Barry Shear
  • Writers
    • Dennis Murphy
    • Joel Oliansky
    • Mann Rubin
  • Stars
    • Robert F. Lyons
    • Richard Thomas
    • Belinda Montgomery
  • See production info at IMDbPro
  • IMDb RATING
    6.0/10
    458
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    • Director
      • Barry Shear
    • Writers
      • Dennis Murphy
      • Joel Oliansky
      • Mann Rubin
    • Stars
      • Robert F. Lyons
      • Richard Thomas
      • Belinda Montgomery
    • 17User reviews
    • 11Critic reviews
  • See production info at IMDbPro
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    Robert F. Lyons
    Robert F. Lyons
    • Skipper
    Richard Thomas
    Richard Thomas
    • Billy Roy
    Belinda Montgomery
    Belinda Montgomery
    • Roberta
    Sherry E. DeBoer
    Sherry E. DeBoer
    • Amata
    • (as Sherry Miles)
    Joyce Ames
    • Haddie
    Holly Near
    • Norma
    James Broderick
    James Broderick
    • Sam Goodman
    Gloria Grahame
    Gloria Grahame
    • Mrs. Roy
    Fay Spain
    Fay Spain
    • Mrs. Mack
    Edward Asner
    Edward Asner
    • Fred Reardon
    Michael Conrad
    Michael Conrad
    • Detective Shaw
    Frank Webb
    Frank Webb
    William Lucking
    William Lucking
    • Detective
    Sandy Brown Wyeth
    Sandy Brown Wyeth
    Sherry Lynn Diamant
    Georgene Barnes
    Tannis G. Montgomery
    Tannis G. Montgomery
    • Jackie
    • (as Tanis Montgomery)
    Robert Williamson
    • Director
      • Barry Shear
    • Writers
      • Dennis Murphy
      • Joel Oliansky
      • Mann Rubin
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    lazarillo

    Interesting Time Capsule from the Early '70's

    This is an interesting little time capsule from the early 1970's. I watched it because the video box claimed it was similar to River's Edge (1987), one of my favorite movies. It turned out to be the fictionalized story of a real-life serial killer nicknamed the "Pied Piper of Tucson" who partially inspired the famous Joyce Carol Oates short story "Where Are You Going? Where Have You Been?" (which in turn inspired the movie Smooth Talk with Laura Dern and Treat Williams). While it is a long way from being a classic, it does capture the restlessness and malaise of the period, and like River's Edge is a pretty honest, if extreme, story of wayward youth. As other reviews have noted, the movie contains some surprising nude scenes, especially considering the female lead looks to be pretty underage. (I wouldn't be surprised if these scenes were trimmed when the movie went to video since times are a little less permissive than they used to be). The characters are pretty good, although the Skipper Todd character doesn't really seem to be too much of a genius when he dumb says things like, "But wasn't Herman Melville a fag?", and Robert Lyon doesn't really have the charisma to play a young Charlie Manson type. Still it's nice to see a movie that despite its extreme subject matter honestly portrays the period, and it wasn't all that idealized peace and love crap some aging Baby Boomers would have you believe.
    10sleazerama

    Brilliant...

    Based loosely on real life killer, Charles Schmidt (sp?), the Pied Piper of Tucson, 'The Todd Killings' is a marvelous, underrated gem.

    There is much to love about this movie. The cast are terrific. Most notable are the lead performances; Robert F. Lyons is truly outstanding, infusing his character with a giddy mix of indifference and charm. He manages to seduce the girls, impress the guys and squirm his way through a police interrogation with absolute ease.

    Praise must go to the gorgeous Belinda Montgomery (Doogie Howser's mom). She looks thoroughly enticing and gives a soft, natural performance that looks like it was bathed in 70's sunshine.

    Adding to the pleasure is the location shooting, making full use of what appears to be a small, sleepy Northern California town. One notable highlight being Skipper and Billy at a Jack in the Box restaurant - complete with an old-school JB clown logo and the menu displaying stupidly low prices (35 cents for a hamburger).

    But this is no mere exploitation flick. The filmmakers have taken care with every detail and it shows. The relationship between Skipper and his Mom is perfectly addressed while she nobly attempts to defend him in the face of an angry mother accusing Skipper of hiding information on her daughter's whereabouts. Their two worlds are miles apart.

    There is much to go on about here, but in the end, I simply can't recommend this film highly enough. This is the real deal.
    4moonspinner55

    Jaded modern teenagers and their killer mentor

    Fictionalized portrait of real-life sociopath and killer Charles Schmid from Arizona (called Skipper Todd here, nicknamed "The Pied Piper of Tucson"), a 23-year-old dropout from reality who easily enchanted all the bored, feckless teenagers hanging out at the local high school and community swimming pool. Robert F. Lyons is quite persuasive as Todd, a seductive charmer who lives off his mother (Barbara Bel Geddes), who enables his freeloader lifestyle. Todd enjoys playing big brother and lover to the misfit kids in his stifling suburb (it feeds his ego) and, after killing a girl because he "had nothing else to do," he has no trouble getting a few of the teens to help cover up his crime. Richard Thomas is somewhat miscast as a hitchhiker Lyons takes under his wing (Thomas is intrinsically too bright to play this antisocial rube), but the supporting cast is excellent, particularly Bel Geddes, Gloria Grahame as Thomas' mother, Belinda Montgomery, Edward Asner, James Broderick, Holly Near and Michael Conrad. It's a technically assured picture, but one which is ultimately uneasy as a dramatic entertainment. Was it intended as a warning film? Rather, it's an exercise in glamorously dangerous narcissism: the disaffected youth too cool for society. ** from ****
    7Hey_Sweden

    Robert F. Lyons excels in the lead role.

    Intelligent psycho drama inspired by "real life case histories", or rather, the story of an actual thrill killer named Charles Schmid Jr., a.k.a. "The Pied Piper of Tucson". A character who prefigured guys like Ted Bundy and Charles Manson, he is here named Skipper Todd, and is played by Robert F. Lyons. Skipper is a shiftless yet undeniably charismatic 23 year old man. The youths of the town of Darlington are completely enamoured of Skipper; he's one of those guys where the girls want to be with him and the boys want to *be* him. However, Skippers' outwards demeanour masks a dark side. And some of his associates are all too willing to help him cover up his crimes.

    All things considered, I can see how some people would find this film off putting. It is a sleazy story, to be sure, but it's compelling in a very sobering way. It does have some pertinent things to say about the way that people can find themselves drawn in by the force of someones' personality, for good or bad. Skipper is a mostly cool, unflappable type who makes it through police interrogations without flinching. His mom (portrayed by Barbara Bel Geddes) largely puts up with a lot of his aimlessness, and his new acquaintance Billy Roy (a pre-'Waltons' Richard Thomas) regards him with awe.

    Well photographed in Panavision by Harold E. Stine, with a powerful score by Leonard Rosenman, "The Todd Killings" serves as a rather picturesque depiction of rural California in the early 1970s. Performances are all right on the money, with a large number of familiar faces on hand: Belinda Montgomery, Sherry Miles, Holly Near, James Broderick, Gloria Grahame, Fay Spain, Edward Asner, Michael Conrad, William Lucking, Meg Foster, George Murdock, Harry Lauter, Eddie Firestone, Eve Brent, Jack Riley, and an uncredited Geoffrey Lewis.

    The opening sequence is a grabber, and producer / director Barry Shear prefers to just plunge us into the action, saving all of the acting and technical credits for the final few minutes. Close-ups are used to good effect, and Shear gives us an honest, unflattering account of these turbulent times in American history and a memorable antagonist who's very much up front about his contempt towards the world in general.

    Seven out of 10.
    8a_baron

    The Todd Killings

    This film is said to be based loosely on the case of serial killer Charles Schmid. Schmid was born in Tucson, Arizona; Skipper is a native of the imaginary town of Darlington in the same state. He is only 23 but the oldest of his peers, preferring to hang around with high school kids. He is handsome and charismatic; the guys like him and the girls flock to him, he beds the latter freely but admits to a detective that he is bisexual. He drives a sports car but has no job, prefering to leech off his mother who runs a retirement home.

    The film begins with the aftermath of a thrill kill, Skipper and his two co-conspirators burying a girl's body in the desert; it is told partially in flashback. It remains to be seen if he would have been content with the one murder - which he committed to see "what it feels like", but because three people can keep a secret only if two of them are dead, the truth soon leaks out, and he ends up committing two more, this time by himself.

    It is difficult to classify this film, psychological thriller perhaps, or maybe catharsis.

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    • Trivia
      Inspired by real-life 1965 murders orchestrated by Charles Howard Schmid, Jr. (1942-1975), the so-called "Pied Piper of Tucson," a charismatic young Southern Arizona homicidal maniac whose crimes (involving teen followers and victims) roughly paralleled those later perpetrated by teen guru/killer Charles Manson. Schmid was convicted of two counts of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder. On 20 March 1975 he was stabbed 47 times by two fellow inmates at the Arizona State Prison and died of his injuries on 30 March 1975.
    • Goofs
      As with most film depictions of murder by manual strangulation, it takes a lot longer to accomplish than is shown in this picture.
    • Quotes

      Police Officer: Do you have relations with men?

      Skipper: I try not to. But sometimes there's a guy who's really sweet... it's so easy. We're both men... we both know where it's at. Personally, you're not giving anything away.

      Police Officer: What's your feeling's towards girls?

      Skipper: I can sleep with them once because it degrades them. It makes them dirty. The worst thing about it is... you meet a chick who isn't... bad. You can't screw her because you don't want to make her "dirty".

    • Crazy credits
      [prologue] The story you are about to see is a fictionalized dramatization of actual case histories. The names and certain characterizations and incidents have been changed to protect the innocent...and, in some cases, to protect the guilty.
    • Connections
      References Le Petit César (1931)

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    • Release date
      • November 1971 (United Kingdom)
    • Country of origin
      • United States
    • Language
      • English
    • Also known as
      • Skipper
    • Filming locations
      • Samuel Goldwyn Studios - 7200 Santa Monica Boulevard, West Hollywood, California, USA(Studio)
    • Production company
      • National General Production Inc.
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    • Runtime
      1 hour 33 minutes
    • Aspect ratio
      • 2.35 : 1

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