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Let us begin by setting the record straight. We are big Donnie Yen fans. Even before he became a household name with 'Ip Man', we admired the kung fu star for his uniquely thrilling moves in 'SPL'. Still, even his most loyal fans will probably be wondering just why he has appeared in one bad movie after another in recent times. Indeed, his last good one was Peter Chan's 'Wu Xia' back in 2012; since then, 'Together', 'Special ID' and 'The Monkey King' have not only been bad movies, at least the first two have approached the point of being unwatchable, which is something we'd thought we'd never say about a Donnie Yen film.
'Iceman' could very well have been that turning point in Yen's string of duds. Its source material was Clarence Fok's 1989 martial arts fantasy 'The Iceman Cometh', an entertaining blend of action, comedy, romance and period drama starring Yuen Biao, Maggie Cheung and Yuen Wah. Its budget is an eye-popping HK$200 million dollars. And even before its release, there has been much hype about a climactic sequence set on Hong Kong's iconic Tsing Ma Bridge which cost an additional HK$50 million dollars to film because the authorities wouldn't give the filmmakers permission to do so on location. In essence, this Captain America of the East was supposed to be big-budget action blockbuster spectacle, weighty enough to warrant a two-parter release not unlike 'Red Cliff'.
Yet after all that hype, 'Iceman' is worse than 'The Monkey King' and almost as bad as 'Special ID'. Much of that has to do with the tonally incoherent plot by Lam Fung which manages to be overplotted and dramatically undernourished at the same time. Working upon the original's concept of a Ming Dynasty warrior who awakens 400 years later to find himself in modern-day Hong Kong and continue a feud that began as far back, Lam throws in multiple subplots criss-crossing present and past. There is Yen's search for a time-travelling Golden Wheel of Time that is operated by a key called the Linga. There is a corrupt Police Commissioner (Simon Yam) bent on recovering Yen and his fellow frozen guards to apparently sell them to the North Koreans. And last but not least, there is Yen's budding romance with a nightclub hostess (Eva Huang), who is caring for her sickly mother in an expensive old folks' home.
The combination of so many disparate parts makes for an extremely disjointed whole, and it doesn't help that director Law Wing Cheong seems entirely overwhelmed at maintaining some semblance of coherence. His storytelling lurches backwards and forwards across time with little narrative flow or momentum - and what makes it worse is just how tonally jarring the shifts are, from comedy to romance to period fantasy and then to surprisingly graphic action. Law also seems to have gone way out of his league from the Johnnie To-like rom-coms ('2 Become 1' and 'Hooked on You') and crime dramas ('Punished') to large-scale blockbuster territory - notwithstanding his little-seen 'The Wrath of Vajra' last year - and simply lost his footing even on the very basic level of staging a compelling enough sequence.
The same could be said of lead star and action director Donnie Yen. Even when everything else was a letdown, the very marquee name of Yen promised that at least the action would not disappoint; alas not even in that regard does 'Iceman' count for anything. Save for the much touted finale on the Tsing Ma bridge, the rest of the action sequences here seem almost like an afterthought, too reliant on the kind of unrealistic wirework that B-grade properties oft relied on. And when we finally end up on the bridge, Yen becomes too obsessed with making this a 3D movie by hurling all sorts of weaponry towards his audience that it just becomes too gimmicky to take seriously. It is scant compensation for the seemingly interminable one half hour wait, and ultimately disappointing because neither Wang Baoqiang nor Kang Yu as his nemeses are anywhere near close to being Yen's worthy on screen opponents.
There are occasional pleasures though, and these often occur at times when the movie simply refuses to take itself seriously. We're not denying that these slapstick moments will be utterly cringe-worthy to many, but hey we take what we can get. For instance, we laughed when Yen first bursts out of his cryogenic tomb and then releases his urine like a water cannon. Ditto for his favourite catchphrase literally translated as 'your mother's breasts' in Chinese. Or how about when Wang and Yu start learning words like 'chicken curry spaghetti' from a gang of Indian grifters after saving them from the cops? There are also other fish-out-of-water comedic moments that border or belong in cheese, but that's the only kind of entertainment you're going to get out of 'Iceman'.
If you're going to try to enjoy 'Iceman' therefore, it's important to set your expectations just right. Don't go in expecting the kind of popcorn blockbuster that 'Captain America' ever was, for Chinese cinema has yet to produce a modern-day superhero movie that didn't suck (think Benny Chan's 'City Under Siege'). Don't go in expecting the kind of good old-fashioned martial arts action Donnie Yen presented in 'Ip Man' or the kind of gritty MMA fighting in 'SPL' or 'Special ID', for there is nothing but a gimmicky 3D sequence right at the end that matters at all. And don't go in expecting this to be any better than Yen's recent batch of movies, for this is just one more in a bad streak that we hope will be frozen forever in time.
'Iceman' could very well have been that turning point in Yen's string of duds. Its source material was Clarence Fok's 1989 martial arts fantasy 'The Iceman Cometh', an entertaining blend of action, comedy, romance and period drama starring Yuen Biao, Maggie Cheung and Yuen Wah. Its budget is an eye-popping HK$200 million dollars. And even before its release, there has been much hype about a climactic sequence set on Hong Kong's iconic Tsing Ma Bridge which cost an additional HK$50 million dollars to film because the authorities wouldn't give the filmmakers permission to do so on location. In essence, this Captain America of the East was supposed to be big-budget action blockbuster spectacle, weighty enough to warrant a two-parter release not unlike 'Red Cliff'.
Yet after all that hype, 'Iceman' is worse than 'The Monkey King' and almost as bad as 'Special ID'. Much of that has to do with the tonally incoherent plot by Lam Fung which manages to be overplotted and dramatically undernourished at the same time. Working upon the original's concept of a Ming Dynasty warrior who awakens 400 years later to find himself in modern-day Hong Kong and continue a feud that began as far back, Lam throws in multiple subplots criss-crossing present and past. There is Yen's search for a time-travelling Golden Wheel of Time that is operated by a key called the Linga. There is a corrupt Police Commissioner (Simon Yam) bent on recovering Yen and his fellow frozen guards to apparently sell them to the North Koreans. And last but not least, there is Yen's budding romance with a nightclub hostess (Eva Huang), who is caring for her sickly mother in an expensive old folks' home.
The combination of so many disparate parts makes for an extremely disjointed whole, and it doesn't help that director Law Wing Cheong seems entirely overwhelmed at maintaining some semblance of coherence. His storytelling lurches backwards and forwards across time with little narrative flow or momentum - and what makes it worse is just how tonally jarring the shifts are, from comedy to romance to period fantasy and then to surprisingly graphic action. Law also seems to have gone way out of his league from the Johnnie To-like rom-coms ('2 Become 1' and 'Hooked on You') and crime dramas ('Punished') to large-scale blockbuster territory - notwithstanding his little-seen 'The Wrath of Vajra' last year - and simply lost his footing even on the very basic level of staging a compelling enough sequence.
The same could be said of lead star and action director Donnie Yen. Even when everything else was a letdown, the very marquee name of Yen promised that at least the action would not disappoint; alas not even in that regard does 'Iceman' count for anything. Save for the much touted finale on the Tsing Ma bridge, the rest of the action sequences here seem almost like an afterthought, too reliant on the kind of unrealistic wirework that B-grade properties oft relied on. And when we finally end up on the bridge, Yen becomes too obsessed with making this a 3D movie by hurling all sorts of weaponry towards his audience that it just becomes too gimmicky to take seriously. It is scant compensation for the seemingly interminable one half hour wait, and ultimately disappointing because neither Wang Baoqiang nor Kang Yu as his nemeses are anywhere near close to being Yen's worthy on screen opponents.
There are occasional pleasures though, and these often occur at times when the movie simply refuses to take itself seriously. We're not denying that these slapstick moments will be utterly cringe-worthy to many, but hey we take what we can get. For instance, we laughed when Yen first bursts out of his cryogenic tomb and then releases his urine like a water cannon. Ditto for his favourite catchphrase literally translated as 'your mother's breasts' in Chinese. Or how about when Wang and Yu start learning words like 'chicken curry spaghetti' from a gang of Indian grifters after saving them from the cops? There are also other fish-out-of-water comedic moments that border or belong in cheese, but that's the only kind of entertainment you're going to get out of 'Iceman'.
If you're going to try to enjoy 'Iceman' therefore, it's important to set your expectations just right. Don't go in expecting the kind of popcorn blockbuster that 'Captain America' ever was, for Chinese cinema has yet to produce a modern-day superhero movie that didn't suck (think Benny Chan's 'City Under Siege'). Don't go in expecting the kind of good old-fashioned martial arts action Donnie Yen presented in 'Ip Man' or the kind of gritty MMA fighting in 'SPL' or 'Special ID', for there is nothing but a gimmicky 3D sequence right at the end that matters at all. And don't go in expecting this to be any better than Yen's recent batch of movies, for this is just one more in a bad streak that we hope will be frozen forever in time.
- moviexclusive
- 16 de abr. de 2014
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Normally I am not overly keen on remakes or re-visiting of old movies. I mean, why meddle with something that had already been made? But I will say that this 2014 version of "Iceman" (aka "Bing feng: Chong sheng zhi men") was actually an entertaining and enjoyable remake and one well worthy of the older movie.
And it is because of the good special effects and CGI effects in the movie. Plus the dazzling martial arts performance from Donnie Yen, which always spices up a movie. Those two things put together make for a very enjoyable remake.
The story in "Iceman" is about an Imperial guard in the Ming Dynasty who was frozen solid during an epic battle. Then 400 years later he and his nemesis are brought back to life in modern day Hong Kong, which makes for a clash of cultures, traditions and customs.
"Iceman" is a very fast paced movie, as most Donnie Yen movies tend to be. And it is enjoyable from start to end.
The cast in "Iceman" was good, and people were doing good jobs with their respective roles and characters. Donnie Yen did, of course, steal the scene with his performances. But it was also nice to see Simon Yam and Wang Bao-Qiang in the movie.
There is also elements of comedy thrown into the movie, making it a combination of action and comedy. However, it is not done to the extend where the comedy is too much. This is, of course, a matter of preference if you enjoy a mix of comedy and action. I did enjoy it, especially because the comedy was done with moderation.
This is not a movie which challenges the audience in any way. You can essentially just sit back and enjoy the ride. The story is very self-explanatory and there are no plot twists along the way. So just sit back and watch the movie.
If you enjoy Asian cinema, then "Iceman" is definitely worth a watch.
And it is because of the good special effects and CGI effects in the movie. Plus the dazzling martial arts performance from Donnie Yen, which always spices up a movie. Those two things put together make for a very enjoyable remake.
The story in "Iceman" is about an Imperial guard in the Ming Dynasty who was frozen solid during an epic battle. Then 400 years later he and his nemesis are brought back to life in modern day Hong Kong, which makes for a clash of cultures, traditions and customs.
"Iceman" is a very fast paced movie, as most Donnie Yen movies tend to be. And it is enjoyable from start to end.
The cast in "Iceman" was good, and people were doing good jobs with their respective roles and characters. Donnie Yen did, of course, steal the scene with his performances. But it was also nice to see Simon Yam and Wang Bao-Qiang in the movie.
There is also elements of comedy thrown into the movie, making it a combination of action and comedy. However, it is not done to the extend where the comedy is too much. This is, of course, a matter of preference if you enjoy a mix of comedy and action. I did enjoy it, especially because the comedy was done with moderation.
This is not a movie which challenges the audience in any way. You can essentially just sit back and enjoy the ride. The story is very self-explanatory and there are no plot twists along the way. So just sit back and watch the movie.
If you enjoy Asian cinema, then "Iceman" is definitely worth a watch.
- paul_m_haakonsen
- 3 de out. de 2016
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I have been a Donnie Yen fan every since I saw him in the first Ip Man film. Now every time I see a Donnie Yen film shown locally (which is not often), I try to catch it. Last year, he shifted his fighting style from elegant Wing Chun to gritty MMA in the film called "Special ID". This year, Yen turns to fantasy fighting in "Iceman".
Mainly "Iceman" was about a group of four friends who are high officials in the Imperial Guards during the Ming Dynasty. Three of them frame He Ying with conspiring with Japanese pirates, leading to his execution. As he tries to escape, he gets caught in an avalanche, gets cryogenically preserved, only to wake up in present day Hong Kong. Two of his traitor "friends" also wake up with him to continue their 400 year old fight.
He Wing is a kind and helpful guy, especially to the girl who took him in, May. He even helps May with her invalid mother currently in a nursing home. He Wing is also on some sort of quest, searching for the key to the so-called Golden Wheel of Time, an ancient time machine of sorts. Furthermore there is a group of corrupt cops who are after the three frozen Ming guys to sell to a North Korean buyer. All these plot lines could not really be settled in one film, as the ending obviously pointed towards a sequel.
Acting is cheesy. The comedy is lowbrow, slapstick with jokes about various body functions. The best parts of the film are still the fight scenes, even if the style was old-fashioned with a lot of obvious wire work. The climactic fight scene is the awesome three-way in the middle of a suspension bridge, with chains vs. sword vs. battle axe. Exciting stuff, though it went a bit overboard with its length.
Mainly "Iceman" was about a group of four friends who are high officials in the Imperial Guards during the Ming Dynasty. Three of them frame He Ying with conspiring with Japanese pirates, leading to his execution. As he tries to escape, he gets caught in an avalanche, gets cryogenically preserved, only to wake up in present day Hong Kong. Two of his traitor "friends" also wake up with him to continue their 400 year old fight.
He Wing is a kind and helpful guy, especially to the girl who took him in, May. He even helps May with her invalid mother currently in a nursing home. He Wing is also on some sort of quest, searching for the key to the so-called Golden Wheel of Time, an ancient time machine of sorts. Furthermore there is a group of corrupt cops who are after the three frozen Ming guys to sell to a North Korean buyer. All these plot lines could not really be settled in one film, as the ending obviously pointed towards a sequel.
Acting is cheesy. The comedy is lowbrow, slapstick with jokes about various body functions. The best parts of the film are still the fight scenes, even if the style was old-fashioned with a lot of obvious wire work. The climactic fight scene is the awesome three-way in the middle of a suspension bridge, with chains vs. sword vs. battle axe. Exciting stuff, though it went a bit overboard with its length.
- 3xHCCH
- 9 de dez. de 2014
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Why is Donnie Yen doing something so idiot? Apart for some decent fight scenes, the plot is stupid, the acting is superficial, the comedy side is really low level, and the end, is it a joke? I never EVER in my all life saw ANY film ending worst than that! It makes absolutely NO SENSE at all. I cannot spoil it, but I at least warn you, because personally I can tolerate a mediocre film if at least the end makes a sense, and I can accept with sadness a good film which ends badly, but it makes me very angry if after losing time with a stupid movie I am given what probably is the worst end in the history of Cinema! Donnie Yen, if you have to keep going on like this, just stop acting and let us remember you for your good films.
EDIT: I have found out that they are supposed to make a sequel. 1) they could and should have made it VERY CLEAR since the beginning, that this was a movie in two parts. 2) nevertheless, there is NO WAY that this end can be acceptable. Under no possible excuse or circumstance.
EDIT: I have found out that they are supposed to make a sequel. 1) they could and should have made it VERY CLEAR since the beginning, that this was a movie in two parts. 2) nevertheless, there is NO WAY that this end can be acceptable. Under no possible excuse or circumstance.
- Ucare
- 21 de jun. de 2014
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ICEMAN is Donnie Yen's much-lauded remake of the Yuen Biao-starring '80s martial arts classic, THE ICEMAN COMETH. It sees Ming bodyguard Yen and a couple of his foes frozen in time and transported to the present day, where they continue their battle to the death while coming to terms with modern-day society.
I thought the original film was pretty good, with the reliable Yuen Wah as the villain and some great action, although it's not a favourite of mine. However, it's far, far better than this unfocused and messy comedy which sees Yen at his very worst. It's similar to THE EMPEROR AND THE WHITE SNAKE in that all of the action is augmented with endless wirework and dodgy CGI which makes for a very boring viewing experience overall. My favourite Yen films are the realistic ones like IP MAN and FLASH POINT, not the stupid CGI fantasy on offer here.
ICEMAN is overlong and overly pointless, with lots of random scenes that don't go anywhere. It's also offensive, with gross-out lowbrow comedy seemingly shoehorned in at random, and ethnic stereotypes cast throughout as the villains. Yen is on autopilot, as is Simon Yam, but the rest of the cast are plain awful. Particularly Huang Shengyi (THE EMPEROR AND THE WHITE SNAKE); I really can't understand how she keeps getting work as an actress.
I thought the original film was pretty good, with the reliable Yuen Wah as the villain and some great action, although it's not a favourite of mine. However, it's far, far better than this unfocused and messy comedy which sees Yen at his very worst. It's similar to THE EMPEROR AND THE WHITE SNAKE in that all of the action is augmented with endless wirework and dodgy CGI which makes for a very boring viewing experience overall. My favourite Yen films are the realistic ones like IP MAN and FLASH POINT, not the stupid CGI fantasy on offer here.
ICEMAN is overlong and overly pointless, with lots of random scenes that don't go anywhere. It's also offensive, with gross-out lowbrow comedy seemingly shoehorned in at random, and ethnic stereotypes cast throughout as the villains. Yen is on autopilot, as is Simon Yam, but the rest of the cast are plain awful. Particularly Huang Shengyi (THE EMPEROR AND THE WHITE SNAKE); I really can't understand how she keeps getting work as an actress.
- Leofwine_draca
- 3 de nov. de 2015
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Donnie Yen is in my opinion the best martial arts movie-star out there right now, especially since Jackie Chan and Jet Li have slowed down and Tony Jaa is only just now getting off to a shaky start with the poorly reviewed Tom Yum Goong 2.
That being said, it's a major disappointment that Donnie Yen's latest, "Iceman", is a miss for the now middle aged (not that you can tell) martial arts master.
Iceman is directionless, confusing, poorly paced, and makes very poor use of Donnie Yen's truly impressive and astonishing martial arts skills. The script is a fish out of water/man out of his time type story, that we've seen before, with nothing new to offer. Some other reviewers have drawn comparisons between this and the Marvel Comics character Captain America, and I can assure the only similarity is that both are frozen men who wake up in different time periods. Rip Van Winkle is the same story but is that also similar?
No, Iceman is in a league of it's own poor storytelling, a remake of a previous film with the same premise from the 80's, this rehash has totally juvenile humour that always misses it's mark, a contrived love story, and a main character capable of ridiculous things with little to no explanation. Captain America is at least explained to have a DNA altering serum in his body, learning Kung Fu doesn't make you superhuman.
They don't even make good use of the fish-out-of-water story and Yen's character adjusts to modern times with ridiculous ease and little incident. Granted, some of the humor may have been lost in translation for me, however I'll say that other foreign comedies, like those of the great Stephen Chow, are always great for a laugh in my book.
Absolutely don't go into this thinking you'll see Donnie Yen kick any kind of butt in major degree, the few fight scenes this movie does have are poorly constructed, filled with bad CGI, and nothing new or close to his potential.
Iceman is like the ice-age altogether, worth avoiding.
That being said, it's a major disappointment that Donnie Yen's latest, "Iceman", is a miss for the now middle aged (not that you can tell) martial arts master.
Iceman is directionless, confusing, poorly paced, and makes very poor use of Donnie Yen's truly impressive and astonishing martial arts skills. The script is a fish out of water/man out of his time type story, that we've seen before, with nothing new to offer. Some other reviewers have drawn comparisons between this and the Marvel Comics character Captain America, and I can assure the only similarity is that both are frozen men who wake up in different time periods. Rip Van Winkle is the same story but is that also similar?
No, Iceman is in a league of it's own poor storytelling, a remake of a previous film with the same premise from the 80's, this rehash has totally juvenile humour that always misses it's mark, a contrived love story, and a main character capable of ridiculous things with little to no explanation. Captain America is at least explained to have a DNA altering serum in his body, learning Kung Fu doesn't make you superhuman.
They don't even make good use of the fish-out-of-water story and Yen's character adjusts to modern times with ridiculous ease and little incident. Granted, some of the humor may have been lost in translation for me, however I'll say that other foreign comedies, like those of the great Stephen Chow, are always great for a laugh in my book.
Absolutely don't go into this thinking you'll see Donnie Yen kick any kind of butt in major degree, the few fight scenes this movie does have are poorly constructed, filled with bad CGI, and nothing new or close to his potential.
Iceman is like the ice-age altogether, worth avoiding.
- MackMonMay87
- 23 de jan. de 2015
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The Hong Kong Captain America puts on a good show, but leaves us either on the hook for a sequel, or scratching our heads wondering if Graham Chapman wasn't on the scripting staff.
Lots of things to like about this movie, including; Donnie Yen, humor, good action, and some excellent cinematography. While the ending is somewhat unsatisfactory if this turns out to be a one-off movie,the producers are obviously trying for a Bourne Identity sort of franchise here, and I hope they succeed in making it.
Lots of good work on display here. If the sequel gets made and meets the same standard, it would easily bump this rating up a point or two, and more importantly, revive interest in and sales of the original product. It has all the makings of a classic, except a complete storyline.
Lots of things to like about this movie, including; Donnie Yen, humor, good action, and some excellent cinematography. While the ending is somewhat unsatisfactory if this turns out to be a one-off movie,the producers are obviously trying for a Bourne Identity sort of franchise here, and I hope they succeed in making it.
Lots of good work on display here. If the sequel gets made and meets the same standard, it would easily bump this rating up a point or two, and more importantly, revive interest in and sales of the original product. It has all the makings of a classic, except a complete storyline.
- jon-smith-118-878469
- 26 de set. de 2014
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"Iceman" is a movie that doesn't make sense at all, and it doesn't even seem to be trying. It feels like a couple of friends got drunk together and decided to mix some scenes from the garbage bin where bad ideas go to rest.
The story seems to be a fantasy action comedy, but please, someone explain what all means. Donnie Yen's Ho Ying wakes up after 400 years and decides to go to the toilet and then run away, crash a party of young people and make a friendship with a young woman called May. At the same time, a couple of his classmates from the army have also woken up and are trying to find him, because they believe he betrayed them. Also a very shady Simon Yam (what else could he be playing?) is trying to catch all three of them and will do anything to do so. Why? It doesn't really matter because the movie isn't even trying. The direction is lifeless, the plot all over the wall, the ceiling, the floor and somewhere else, and the acting is all kinds of over-the-top-really-we-don't-know-what-acting-means variety. If that wasn't enough, the action is lame, the CGI sub-par and the comedy goes for the not-even-on-the-level-of-juvenile kind of. Oh, and Donnie Yen seems to be half- asleep all movie through. Did this idea make sense in the scriptwriters' heads? One has to wonder, because on the screen... nope, not at all.
"Iceman" is horrible on all levels. An incredible, horrible mess.
The story seems to be a fantasy action comedy, but please, someone explain what all means. Donnie Yen's Ho Ying wakes up after 400 years and decides to go to the toilet and then run away, crash a party of young people and make a friendship with a young woman called May. At the same time, a couple of his classmates from the army have also woken up and are trying to find him, because they believe he betrayed them. Also a very shady Simon Yam (what else could he be playing?) is trying to catch all three of them and will do anything to do so. Why? It doesn't really matter because the movie isn't even trying. The direction is lifeless, the plot all over the wall, the ceiling, the floor and somewhere else, and the acting is all kinds of over-the-top-really-we-don't-know-what-acting-means variety. If that wasn't enough, the action is lame, the CGI sub-par and the comedy goes for the not-even-on-the-level-of-juvenile kind of. Oh, and Donnie Yen seems to be half- asleep all movie through. Did this idea make sense in the scriptwriters' heads? One has to wonder, because on the screen... nope, not at all.
"Iceman" is horrible on all levels. An incredible, horrible mess.
- tenshi_ippikiookami
- 19 de ago. de 2016
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I'm not sure what Donnie Yen was thinking when signed up for this. I hope he got some good money because this movie is so idiotic that it can ruined even decades of fame in its 1 hour and 45 minutes.
I can't really understand why this is considered the Captain America of Hong Kong either.
The script is incoherent to say the least. The genres shift abruptly from slapstick comedy to action and to drama and to horror in a split second. The editing is a total mess and in addition, you have to deal with some really annoying whooshes every time the location or the age changes.
There is an OK I guess martial arts choreography by Yen himself but isn't enough to make the movie worth seeing.
To tell you the truth I'm very disappointed from the latest martial arts movies.
Overall: watch it on DVD or on the Internet.
I can't really understand why this is considered the Captain America of Hong Kong either.
The script is incoherent to say the least. The genres shift abruptly from slapstick comedy to action and to drama and to horror in a split second. The editing is a total mess and in addition, you have to deal with some really annoying whooshes every time the location or the age changes.
There is an OK I guess martial arts choreography by Yen himself but isn't enough to make the movie worth seeing.
To tell you the truth I'm very disappointed from the latest martial arts movies.
Overall: watch it on DVD or on the Internet.
- Dr_Sagan
- 9 de nov. de 2014
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- tiffanyyongwt
- 25 de abr. de 2014
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Judging from the cover I thought this was a period piece Martial Arts movie. But it does play in the modern times (that's in the 21st century). It might be convoluted and not good in its appeal to tell a story, but it does have Donnie Yen in it. And while he has done some way better movies (just the IP Man trilogy alone, but many more of course), he's always a pleasure to watch (fight).
Sometimes the comedy does work, though it's very plain to put it mildly. But while this isn't a masterpiece by any means, there have been worse movies. And I've seen a couple of them too. So this is entertaining to a degree, but if you don't watch too many movies, you may wanna skip this
Sometimes the comedy does work, though it's very plain to put it mildly. But while this isn't a masterpiece by any means, there have been worse movies. And I've seen a couple of them too. So this is entertaining to a degree, but if you don't watch too many movies, you may wanna skip this
- kosmasp
- 2 de jun. de 2016
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Super funny and did not feel i wasted time watching this movie at all, i cant believe all the low reviews. People must have horrible lives to have rated it so low. Glad I watched it, worth every minute of my time. Great action movie, funny, and had a blast watching this!!
- chuester_bomb
- 25 de set. de 2019
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Wing-cheong Law directed "Iceman" is a blended fantasy/sci-fi film that plays heavily on the classic Hong Kong action/fight set-up. The story takes on the cryogenic tech concept by having ancestors of almost godly stature and brings them to the 21st century in a light- hearted, cut-n-copy style that Hong Kong cinema is famous for. I love the theatrics of Asian cinema. Maybe it is because, due to subtitles, I place my focus on emotion, body language and facial reactions. I skim read the subtitled dialog-often times the translation is brutal.
"Iceman" has a fun, and yet intense story that begs for cool fight sequences choreographed flawlessly. I didn't totally get the grandeur that surrounds these figures-who obviously have mastered the teachings so well they have transcended into "godhood". However the scenes are so strong, with a balance of melodrama, humor and action. The story does capitalize on the expected components that make up modern action films from China, it almost mirrors the set up of Japanese anime series. The characters, although a bit cliché, offer a collection of comic relief, romantic interlude, and tons of dramatic inflection. All in a blended cultures piece that brings the past into the present.
The special effects and sound in "Iceman" are standard blends of CGI heavy sequences and choreographed fight stuff. I have learned that Asian cinema is one area where tolerance of CGI is just mandated in order to get into films from this market. It is okay as long as enough practical effects are added to balance it out. Which in "Iceman" actually works to do just that. Everything about the various techniques used add to the melodrama and excitement. The soundtrack and sound effects are standard mill stuff so that was a bummer. Most was instrumental melodies that felt familiar. It works but it does real propel the story to that extra level of suspense or thrills.
Overall "Iceman" is a decent action/fantasy film with plenty of fights and drama. I am not sure if it is truly a strong piece because some of the material didn't connect with me personally. I enjoyed watching this film but I have seen better films similar to this one come out of Hong Kong. Still the cinematography and production value is stellar. The flat areas for me are the humanizing scenes of character relationship/ dialog interaction moments that are intended to build up the characters so that they more personable dimension, but really just creates drag on the action and thrills a bit too much. Again – I liked "Iceman" but I am not sure if it will be strong enough for the die-hard Asian cinema fan.
"Iceman" has a fun, and yet intense story that begs for cool fight sequences choreographed flawlessly. I didn't totally get the grandeur that surrounds these figures-who obviously have mastered the teachings so well they have transcended into "godhood". However the scenes are so strong, with a balance of melodrama, humor and action. The story does capitalize on the expected components that make up modern action films from China, it almost mirrors the set up of Japanese anime series. The characters, although a bit cliché, offer a collection of comic relief, romantic interlude, and tons of dramatic inflection. All in a blended cultures piece that brings the past into the present.
The special effects and sound in "Iceman" are standard blends of CGI heavy sequences and choreographed fight stuff. I have learned that Asian cinema is one area where tolerance of CGI is just mandated in order to get into films from this market. It is okay as long as enough practical effects are added to balance it out. Which in "Iceman" actually works to do just that. Everything about the various techniques used add to the melodrama and excitement. The soundtrack and sound effects are standard mill stuff so that was a bummer. Most was instrumental melodies that felt familiar. It works but it does real propel the story to that extra level of suspense or thrills.
Overall "Iceman" is a decent action/fantasy film with plenty of fights and drama. I am not sure if it is truly a strong piece because some of the material didn't connect with me personally. I enjoyed watching this film but I have seen better films similar to this one come out of Hong Kong. Still the cinematography and production value is stellar. The flat areas for me are the humanizing scenes of character relationship/ dialog interaction moments that are intended to build up the characters so that they more personable dimension, but really just creates drag on the action and thrills a bit too much. Again – I liked "Iceman" but I am not sure if it will be strong enough for the die-hard Asian cinema fan.
- ASouthernHorrorFan
- 19 de set. de 2014
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Movie is good and enjoy it, the problem is when apparently by temper tantrum the spouse is in the movie and for whatever the reason. She's son Dense that changes the whole plot. Donnie Yen will do better if he doesn't include spouse, she's lacks character, personality. Good thing this is the only movie she´s in.
- zenguruone
- 19 de mar. de 2019
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"Iceman" begins with a ship carrying what looks like three cryogenic tubes. Then, in a flashback, a Chinese officer is being accused of conspiring with the dreaded Japanese pirates back in the 17th century. However, when the Emperor of China's men try to apprehend him, his is transported to the present day Hong Kong--and you realize he's one of the guys in the cryo tubes. Here in the 21st century, he's out of place but also amazingly clever and helpful. I liked this part of the film. Soon, however, he's caught up in all sorts of intrigues and it all has to do with the Golden Wheel of Time and the god Shiva's penis (I am serious about this last part) and a bazillion cops trying to kill him. Can this visitor from the past take on a HUGE army of cops and win?
When "Iceman" began, it felt a lot like I'd seen this sort of plot in another film. The French film "Les Visiteurs" (remade in the US as "Just Visiting") is a silly film where the hero is magically transported many centuries into the future. Here in the present, the knight is completely out of his element and is a bumbler. The film is played strictly for laughs. Here with "Iceman", however, when the soldier is magically transported into the future, he inexplicably is like superman! Not only does he possess nearly god-like fighting and intellectual powers at times, but he also seems to magically understand technology--and he inexplicably uses the internet and destroys surveillance cameras! To me, none of this really made a lot of sense. How could a man from centuries before know how to do an internet search or understand what cameras are?! For me, this was a big problem with Iceman--it just didn't make a lot of sense. If a man is somehow transported to today from the distant past, the comical way "Les Visiteurs" handled it seems much, much more likely--with the guy drinking from toilets and getting into one problem after another. Instead, it goes from being a bit charming to being very confusing and very violent. Then, it becomes a huge, explosive finale where there are tons of explosions and violence and mindless mayhem. The charm just doesn't last very long.
So is it worth seeing? Well, if you have nothing better to do...sure. But as I mentioned above, quite a bit about the hero just didn't make a lot of sense in "Iceman". Instead, while I never loved "Les Visiteurs", I'd recommend you see it over "Iceman".
When "Iceman" began, it felt a lot like I'd seen this sort of plot in another film. The French film "Les Visiteurs" (remade in the US as "Just Visiting") is a silly film where the hero is magically transported many centuries into the future. Here in the present, the knight is completely out of his element and is a bumbler. The film is played strictly for laughs. Here with "Iceman", however, when the soldier is magically transported into the future, he inexplicably is like superman! Not only does he possess nearly god-like fighting and intellectual powers at times, but he also seems to magically understand technology--and he inexplicably uses the internet and destroys surveillance cameras! To me, none of this really made a lot of sense. How could a man from centuries before know how to do an internet search or understand what cameras are?! For me, this was a big problem with Iceman--it just didn't make a lot of sense. If a man is somehow transported to today from the distant past, the comical way "Les Visiteurs" handled it seems much, much more likely--with the guy drinking from toilets and getting into one problem after another. Instead, it goes from being a bit charming to being very confusing and very violent. Then, it becomes a huge, explosive finale where there are tons of explosions and violence and mindless mayhem. The charm just doesn't last very long.
So is it worth seeing? Well, if you have nothing better to do...sure. But as I mentioned above, quite a bit about the hero just didn't make a lot of sense in "Iceman". Instead, while I never loved "Les Visiteurs", I'd recommend you see it over "Iceman".
- planktonrules
- 29 de jun. de 2014
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Donnie Yen has delivered a lot of action movies. Whether they are widely known, critically acclaimed or flopped entirely, one underlying thing is the action is always done with commitment and bravado. Iceman reduces this into acrobatic overly 3D gimmick, if you are not bored with object thrown into the screen, Iceman will definitely instill disgust for this overused effect. There's barely any aspect of the movie that's done properly, it cluelessly mashes together things that the producer or director thought would be attraction for mainstream audience and leaves none for originality.
The focus of the movie itself is broken. It opens with action comedy flair, then randomly turns into epic fantasy, romantic comedy, or crime drama without any real direction. This not only confuses the audience, but it produces campy lines and extremely unbelievably embarrassing scenes. When Donnie Yen does the Matrix to catch arrow with his mouth from fat cupid as a random princess comes in cheesy slow-mo in just five minutes, there is something dangerously wrong.
Comedy attempt isn't funny at all. It tries for a bit modern touch, but ultimately relies on campy old-fashioned jokes. Characters come and go without meaningful impact, some are merely there for annoying stereotypical roles and barely seen again. It's almost as if the movie is made by half a dozen writers and directors at the same time. One scene the movie depicts epic battle and betrayal, then it shoots itself on the foot with legend of god's penis. There's no way anyone could take it seriously, and it would be fine if it's something like Stephen Chow's dark humor, Iceman doesn't even come close.
Most of the events are ridiculous, characters could run around only to keep bumping into each other. I guess if ludicrous time travel or even poop joke get a pass, anything could happen. This is not the first Donnie Yen has made less than stellar movie, but here he seems uncomfortably out of place. Some fight scenes are still good, but the movie opts for unrealistic motion to accommodate 3D effect. It would've been better if Donnie Yen has more freedom to choreograph for actual combat.
At least others Yen's movies, though they might not be great in plot or development, they still have the fast paced aggressive stunts. Iceman fight scenes look inauthentic and although it has foundation for more intrigue, the end product barely has any redeeming value.
The focus of the movie itself is broken. It opens with action comedy flair, then randomly turns into epic fantasy, romantic comedy, or crime drama without any real direction. This not only confuses the audience, but it produces campy lines and extremely unbelievably embarrassing scenes. When Donnie Yen does the Matrix to catch arrow with his mouth from fat cupid as a random princess comes in cheesy slow-mo in just five minutes, there is something dangerously wrong.
Comedy attempt isn't funny at all. It tries for a bit modern touch, but ultimately relies on campy old-fashioned jokes. Characters come and go without meaningful impact, some are merely there for annoying stereotypical roles and barely seen again. It's almost as if the movie is made by half a dozen writers and directors at the same time. One scene the movie depicts epic battle and betrayal, then it shoots itself on the foot with legend of god's penis. There's no way anyone could take it seriously, and it would be fine if it's something like Stephen Chow's dark humor, Iceman doesn't even come close.
Most of the events are ridiculous, characters could run around only to keep bumping into each other. I guess if ludicrous time travel or even poop joke get a pass, anything could happen. This is not the first Donnie Yen has made less than stellar movie, but here he seems uncomfortably out of place. Some fight scenes are still good, but the movie opts for unrealistic motion to accommodate 3D effect. It would've been better if Donnie Yen has more freedom to choreograph for actual combat.
At least others Yen's movies, though they might not be great in plot or development, they still have the fast paced aggressive stunts. Iceman fight scenes look inauthentic and although it has foundation for more intrigue, the end product barely has any redeeming value.
- quincytheodore
- 11 de jan. de 2015
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- alex_serious
- 8 de dez. de 2014
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I have always had a fascination with fantastical time travel scenarios, where someone from the past is thrust into the present, inevitably resulting in action sequences where ancient weapons and skills are matched by modern technology. Greatly dissimilar to other features, Iceman (not to be mistaken for The Iceman) could have potentially taken an approach comparative to the film Highlander, a number of the narrative's decisions failing to effectively work.
Donnie Yen portrays Ying, an honorable soldier in the Emperor's army during the Ming Dynasty. Tasked with acquiring an ancient artifact, with the capacity to travel through time, he is framed for murder and treason, during which he, and his adversaries, are trapped beneath an avalanche of snow. Miraculously, Ying is awoken in the twenty first century from prolonged hibernation, caused by this event. An explanation regarding this is never provided, however, it is at the same time unnecessary, the film's pace relying more on action, than on rationalization.
Ying finds himself in the middle of a conspiracy that includes a number of powerful individuals, their involvement, and the lengths of its influence, never been entirely fleshed out. Unfortunately, Ying is not the only soldier awoken, with his adversaries prowling the streets as well, in the hopes of not only acquiring the legendary artifact, but on obtaining their long sought revenge. The skills of these ruthlessly trained soldiers of old are impressive, none in the twenty first century having the ability to match their strength. At the same time though, the action sequences are potentially not as frequent as you might imagine. Though short lived, the action scenes offer the viewer some outstanding imagery that is as entertaining as it is well executed.
During his initial few hours of awakening, Ying bumps into May (Shengyi Huang), who, in a drunken stupor, unwittingly invites him into her life. The misadventures Ying encounters while attempting to adjust to the new world with May, alongside the personal problems she is dealing with, offers the film both drama and heart, not to mention its most beautiful feature. Ms. Huang's performance generates a vulnerable character, as intelligent as she is uncertain, and as beautiful as she is in need of saving, though she does prove herself to be a very capable young woman. The friendship, trust and feelings generated between these two characters makes for an impressive story in itself, though at times, this exceptional subplot is lost between the film's attempts at humor.
Although Iceman is, categorically, an action film, the combined humor refuses to cooperate with the seriousness of the plot, and therefore causes a number of conversations and stereotypical slapstick moments to feel dramatically out of place. There's a moment when Ying produces explosive feces, and another occasion when he's flatulent in an elevator, and let's not forget the crude humor surrounding a certain part of the male anatomy. Strangely enough, a number of these latter references are logically incorporated, although why the filmmakers didn't attempt to use references that were not quite as peculiarly vulgar, is unknown. This illogical immaturity is irresponsibly childish in a film clearly directed towards older audiences.
Lastly, the final moments of Iceman prove to be as stirring as they are eye catching, and though no conclusion is offered, this climatic finish will definitely leave you on the edge of your seat. By the time the film comes to a close however, is it too late to reel in viewers for further adventures? Here's hoping the potential sequels focus more on drama and action, rather than on, what can only be described as, painfully obtuse humor.
Donnie Yen portrays Ying, an honorable soldier in the Emperor's army during the Ming Dynasty. Tasked with acquiring an ancient artifact, with the capacity to travel through time, he is framed for murder and treason, during which he, and his adversaries, are trapped beneath an avalanche of snow. Miraculously, Ying is awoken in the twenty first century from prolonged hibernation, caused by this event. An explanation regarding this is never provided, however, it is at the same time unnecessary, the film's pace relying more on action, than on rationalization.
Ying finds himself in the middle of a conspiracy that includes a number of powerful individuals, their involvement, and the lengths of its influence, never been entirely fleshed out. Unfortunately, Ying is not the only soldier awoken, with his adversaries prowling the streets as well, in the hopes of not only acquiring the legendary artifact, but on obtaining their long sought revenge. The skills of these ruthlessly trained soldiers of old are impressive, none in the twenty first century having the ability to match their strength. At the same time though, the action sequences are potentially not as frequent as you might imagine. Though short lived, the action scenes offer the viewer some outstanding imagery that is as entertaining as it is well executed.
During his initial few hours of awakening, Ying bumps into May (Shengyi Huang), who, in a drunken stupor, unwittingly invites him into her life. The misadventures Ying encounters while attempting to adjust to the new world with May, alongside the personal problems she is dealing with, offers the film both drama and heart, not to mention its most beautiful feature. Ms. Huang's performance generates a vulnerable character, as intelligent as she is uncertain, and as beautiful as she is in need of saving, though she does prove herself to be a very capable young woman. The friendship, trust and feelings generated between these two characters makes for an impressive story in itself, though at times, this exceptional subplot is lost between the film's attempts at humor.
Although Iceman is, categorically, an action film, the combined humor refuses to cooperate with the seriousness of the plot, and therefore causes a number of conversations and stereotypical slapstick moments to feel dramatically out of place. There's a moment when Ying produces explosive feces, and another occasion when he's flatulent in an elevator, and let's not forget the crude humor surrounding a certain part of the male anatomy. Strangely enough, a number of these latter references are logically incorporated, although why the filmmakers didn't attempt to use references that were not quite as peculiarly vulgar, is unknown. This illogical immaturity is irresponsibly childish in a film clearly directed towards older audiences.
Lastly, the final moments of Iceman prove to be as stirring as they are eye catching, and though no conclusion is offered, this climatic finish will definitely leave you on the edge of your seat. By the time the film comes to a close however, is it too late to reel in viewers for further adventures? Here's hoping the potential sequels focus more on drama and action, rather than on, what can only be described as, painfully obtuse humor.
- totalovrdose
- 14 de jan. de 2015
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I suspect that the makers of this movie were inspired not only by the 1984 Hollywood movie "Iceman" (not just by the title), but also the 1984 Hollywood movie "Ghost Warrior", which also involved an ancient Asian warrior frozen and thawed in modern times. Well, come to think of it, the core ideas of those movies had been done before many time in other movies and media, so it doesn't seem fair to just point a plagiarism finger at the makers of this movie. As for this retelling of the formula, it does have some merit. It looks pretty well produced, and there are some exciting action sequences here and there, particularly the climatic sequence. However, the movie can't decide whether it's a comic telling or a serious telling of the formula - it keeps wavering back and forth between the two extremes, and the Asian style of humor may bewilder western audiences not familiar with this style. But the real problem with the movie is that it is EXTREMELY confusing. There is very often a lack of explanation as to what is going on and why. It seems like key scenes and linking footage are missing or were never filmed in the first place, even though the movie as it is is 104 minutes long. Although the movie is never boring, the narrative is so confusing that in short notice you stop caring about the characters and the story. Too bad.
- Wizard-8
- 3 de mar. de 2018
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Donnie Yen does his best, and some of the fight scenes are okay, but the plot line is the worst movie writing I've ever seen. Really sorry to have wasted my time on this one. The only reason I fell for it was because Donnie Yen is generally so good. Editors and directors and writers alike bombed him this time.
- jfh_dragonfly
- 15 de nov. de 2017
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- locnessmonstar
- 15 de ago. de 2019
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Most negative reviews of the movie you can find on Internet are right. I don't know if it was the director or the writers but a lot in the story is downright terrible and makes absolutely no sense. The filmmakers took almost no time building up momentum for key scenes in the story and properly explaining the logic behind the characters' origins and motives and just jumps right away into the essential parts taken from the original 1989 movie ICEMAN COMETH.
The result is a hugely unfitting film with lots of nonsense humor (many "wtf moments from Wang Baoqiang, Yu Kang, and even Donnie Yen himself), incoherent acting performances, and obvious story loops. Unlike the original movie, the filmmakers also couldn't balance seriousness and comedy at all. Watching everything is like watching several types of movie genres rolled into one. It gets to the point where one would scratch the head thinking what the hell director Law Wing Cheong wanted to achieve and whether he lost it somewhere along the process of making the movie. Because the overall narrative is so confusing.
That being said, I think Donnie's action choreography is the saving grace. I especially enjoy the nightclub fight scene and the action finale on the bridge, which features creative ideas -- the concept behind Donnie's action direction forsakes the usual HK style exchanges of punches, kicks, blocks< because it's mostly situational and seeks dramatic tension -- wirework, and decent-looking CGI. All scenes, including the brief action sprinkles scenes, are shot and edited exceptionally well. And something that surprises me: It has the same sound design from SPL, FLASH POINT, and IP MAN quadrilogy giving the impact of the hits and blocks an edgier/meaty feel to it. However, unfortunately, they aren't in great numbers and, beside the ones I mentioned, they aren't lengthy either so what's present aren't enough to hold the whole movie.
Overall, it's yet another good example of bad remakes, and ending up as one of Donnie Yen's worst movies in recent years -- easily making SPECIAL ID look much better in comparison -- and ever (it's up there with CIRCUS KIDS and IRON MONKEY 2). This review has now given me little hope for the sequel being good in its' entirety, although I'm sure the action will be good. The bad reputation is very spot on!
The result is a hugely unfitting film with lots of nonsense humor (many "wtf moments from Wang Baoqiang, Yu Kang, and even Donnie Yen himself), incoherent acting performances, and obvious story loops. Unlike the original movie, the filmmakers also couldn't balance seriousness and comedy at all. Watching everything is like watching several types of movie genres rolled into one. It gets to the point where one would scratch the head thinking what the hell director Law Wing Cheong wanted to achieve and whether he lost it somewhere along the process of making the movie. Because the overall narrative is so confusing.
That being said, I think Donnie's action choreography is the saving grace. I especially enjoy the nightclub fight scene and the action finale on the bridge, which features creative ideas -- the concept behind Donnie's action direction forsakes the usual HK style exchanges of punches, kicks, blocks< because it's mostly situational and seeks dramatic tension -- wirework, and decent-looking CGI. All scenes, including the brief action sprinkles scenes, are shot and edited exceptionally well. And something that surprises me: It has the same sound design from SPL, FLASH POINT, and IP MAN quadrilogy giving the impact of the hits and blocks an edgier/meaty feel to it. However, unfortunately, they aren't in great numbers and, beside the ones I mentioned, they aren't lengthy either so what's present aren't enough to hold the whole movie.
Overall, it's yet another good example of bad remakes, and ending up as one of Donnie Yen's worst movies in recent years -- easily making SPECIAL ID look much better in comparison -- and ever (it's up there with CIRCUS KIDS and IRON MONKEY 2). This review has now given me little hope for the sequel being good in its' entirety, although I'm sure the action will be good. The bad reputation is very spot on!
- DOK_Vs01
- 21 de mar. de 2025
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- edisonlightinghouse
- 18 de abr. de 2014
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Honestly, I was tricked by the previous review hence i thought the movie was really bad and I went into the theater with zero expectations. But the results... were simply. Amazing. Another classic Chinese martial arts movie which will continue to be remembered for generations to come.
This movie is not your typical Donnie Yen ass-kicking movie, this is a movie with a lot of feelings, touching yet Comedic. The whole cinema was laughing every few minutes and the actions were impeccable. The last fight scene is easily one of the best action scenes in the past 3 - 4 years of Movies.
Donnie Yen has to pretend to be a Ming Dynasty warrior trying to fit into our 21st century, but obviously he is way too powerful physically and has to learn the ropes of adapting, and this has led to many funny moments throughout the movie. The ending in particular was very exciting, and then..boom, something unexpected happens, a plot twist and it becomes really touching where I can see people in the audience tearing.
Definitely a must watch!
Note: There is a part 2 coming out in October!
This movie is not your typical Donnie Yen ass-kicking movie, this is a movie with a lot of feelings, touching yet Comedic. The whole cinema was laughing every few minutes and the actions were impeccable. The last fight scene is easily one of the best action scenes in the past 3 - 4 years of Movies.
Donnie Yen has to pretend to be a Ming Dynasty warrior trying to fit into our 21st century, but obviously he is way too powerful physically and has to learn the ropes of adapting, and this has led to many funny moments throughout the movie. The ending in particular was very exciting, and then..boom, something unexpected happens, a plot twist and it becomes really touching where I can see people in the audience tearing.
Definitely a must watch!
Note: There is a part 2 coming out in October!
- tiger-lion_eternalenemie
- 17 de abr. de 2014
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A remake of the old Iceman, turn out to be better than the original.
Donnie Yen at his best, solid action, fight non-stop, simply the best action movie i have watched, better than Avengers Endgame!
Donnie Yen at his best, solid action, fight non-stop, simply the best action movie i have watched, better than Avengers Endgame!
- forsivausage
- 1 de abr. de 2019
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