Hong men yan chuan qi

i partially agree with joe sun's review, but disagree that movies if borrowed from historical incidents had to match the facts correctly. but using historical stuff and making into movies indeed is not an easy task to avoid comparison judgment. this movie, inevitably would be judged critically like other Chinese movies with the similar historical I.O.U. facts. but it's not the problem that i consider this movie is another immediate failure when Chinese movie investors and producers tried to make a movie out of the ancient Chinese history. because the screenplay is simply so bad. it not only twisted the historical incident to serve the storyline conveniently but also failed to give all the characters enough background to develop. the whole plot only started from in the middle of the incident and then tried so hard to mix romance, fatal love, fatal decisions in battles. it neither sowed enough seeds to allow characters to develop into full-grown roles, nor sowed too less to narrow a straight storyline. furthermore, since it's about a war and battles between too civil militia forces, they had to use lot of fighting scenes to accommodate the background, so they had to use lot of meaningless footage to portray such highly CGI effect boring scenes and at the same time wasted a lot of production budget to furnish the scenes. actors cast for this movie are the popular ones but not all on the same level, the actor who played Liu Bang, is a rare species by always acting so rigidly like mummy but could still become a movie icon level figure. the story of the triangle romance also failed miserably, even laughable. fighting scenes are so formulaic, so boring to the extreme. every ingredient in this movie were wrongly and mistakenly used and put in, there's nothing right about this movie. my final verdict about this movie:

screenplay: 0/10 directing: 3/10 acting: 5/10 boring meter: 10/10

even with English or any other language subtitle, without the help of the basic knowledge of Chinese history, this movie would only fall into a big screen war movie produced from china. nothing else. viewers would only get a vague impression as another formulaic Chinese war movie mixed with some Chinese kung fu fighting scenes, lot of armors, swords, spears.... lot of beard and mustaches and, unavoidably with a sprinkle of pointless romance.

Tells the story of The Banquet at Hongmen, an event that marked the transition from the Qin Dynasty to the Han Dynasty in Chinese history.

Liu Bang and Xiang Yu are leaders of insurgent forces who work together to defeat the last remnants of Qin forces, but then each set their eyes on becoming emperor of the new dynasty. They both turn to their respective strategists, Zhang Liang and Fan Zeng, for advice. The advisors each formulate plans in an attempt to ensure their sponsor's success over the other, and engage in a battle of wits and cunning to achieve victory over their opponent. The opposing forces both put their plans into action starting at a banquet at the Hongmen Gate. Whose cunning will prove to be greater, whose foresight will be longer? Who will emerge victorious in the end? White Vengeance is a gorgeous production of suitably epic proportions, built around a well written script that succeeds in bringing these historical events and characters to life. The battle of wits, cunning and bravado makes for a great story, and the cast have been well chosen to fill their roles. Anthony Wong is particularly good as the aging, blind strategist, but the show is nearly stolen by Jordan Chan in a supporting role that gives the film two of its most memorable scenes. The presence of Liu Yi-Fei, whose face is surely the strongest argument for the existence of God that man has conceived, is of course most welcome.

The film has a number of battle scenes, which are generally very well executed. CGI is obviously used to make the massive armies seem truly massive, but is mostly eschewed for any close-up combat situations, with good old-fashioned people and the occasional wire, and just the occasional bit of CGI when somebody needs a sword, arrow or spear to go through them without alarming the film's insurance company unduly. This makes for some highly satisfying scenes of combat and carnage.

It's the dialogue and the characters that make the film though. Unfortunately, things do get a bit derailed towards the end with some scenes that are simply overcooked, and performances that lose their subtlety and break the illusion that we really are witnessing events as they unfurled. It's a shame, but the flaws aren't sufficient to undo the good work that comes before them.

Recommended.

"White Vengeance" (aka "Hong men yan chuan qi") is right up alongside with epic movies such as "Hero" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon", and it is a shame that it didn't get as much attention as they did. "White Vengeance" is a grand epic and it completely took me by surprise.

The story, simply put, is about two brothers who become pitted against each other in a battle for rulership. There are too many subplots in the movie to fully do it justice with a synopsis. It has to be seen firsthand on the screen.

There is just so much detail in the movie, not only in the storyline, but also in the costumes, sets and props. It is simply overwhelmingly breathtaking.

I was impressed with the cast, and they had some big Hong Kong names on the cast list. Anthony Wong, Leon Lai, Jordan Chan and Andy On. I have never seen Jordan Chan in an epic movie, but he really held his own and did a great job. Yifei Liu also did an amazing job with her role.

"White Vengeance" was captivating and interesting from the very beginning and up to the very end. So you will not really be noticing that the movie actually runs for more than two hours.

This is definitely a MUST watch if you enjoy Asian epic movies.

Zhang Hanyu and Huang Qiusheng gave us excellent performance.I love the strategies and ending.

This is a movie about an event that actually happened in Chinese history, but it takes artistic license and changes what happened in reality. The result is an almost unrecognizable story to what happened with Liu Bang and Xiang Yu during the war of Chu-Han contention.

The story is about one of the most famous war in Chinese history between the two rivals Liu Bang and Xiang Yu for the control of entire China. History is clear about who the winner is and Liu Bang becomes the first emperor of the Han dynasty. But this is one of the most exciting story in Chinese history next to "The Romance of the Three Kingdoms".

Whatever they changed from the historical story actually made the story worse. I have no idea why the producers chose to make the story into the drama that is this movie. The plot of the original story is far better than this story. There is no build up to the conflict that happens in the real story of Liu Bang and Xiang Yu. It also doesn't show why Xiang Yu who was clearly winning at the start, ended up losing his force, and eventually gets surrounded by Liu Bang's army. Feast at the Hong gate was one of the turning point of this war, and Xiang Yu had a once in a life time opportunity to kill Liu Bang, but failed to cash in on this opportunity. He never recovered from this mistake, and his tactics meanders after this meeting until his eventual demise.

There is so much highlight scenes in this war, and the characters were all so interesting, but this movie screwed all of this up. All the good details of the story never made it into this movie. The two hour long movie could easily have been an hour and a half if the useless drama the script writer inserted into the story were edited out.

Failure of script writing is the ultimate downfall of this movie. Compared to "The Red Cliff I and II" where director John Woo carefully inserted his interpretation to the story, which made that story so good, this movie had no such story telling behind it.

Too bad, for the money they put into this movie, it could have been another "Assassin" level production. A better movie about Liu Bang and Xiang Yu is awaited with more spot light on the interesting characters, and build up to the story.