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Quando é Preciso Ser Homem

Título original: Soldier Blue
  • 1970
  • PG
  • 1 h 55 min
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Candice Bergen and Peter Strauss in Quando é Preciso Ser Homem (1970)
After a cavalry patrol is ambushed by the Cheyenne, the two survivors, a soldier and a woman, must reach the safety of the nearest fort.
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Adicionar um enredo no seu idiomaAfter a cavalry patrol is ambushed by the Cheyenne, the two survivors, a soldier and a woman, must reach the safety of the nearest fort.After a cavalry patrol is ambushed by the Cheyenne, the two survivors, a soldier and a woman, must reach the safety of the nearest fort.After a cavalry patrol is ambushed by the Cheyenne, the two survivors, a soldier and a woman, must reach the safety of the nearest fort.

  • Direção
    • Ralph Nelson
  • Roteiristas
    • Theodore V. Olsen
    • John Gay
  • Artistas
    • Candice Bergen
    • Peter Strauss
    • Donald Pleasence
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  • AVALIAÇÃO DA IMDb
    6,9/10
    6,9 mil
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    • Direção
      • Ralph Nelson
    • Roteiristas
      • Theodore V. Olsen
      • John Gay
    • Artistas
      • Candice Bergen
      • Peter Strauss
      • Donald Pleasence
    • 89Avaliações de usuários
    • 48Avaliações da crítica
  • Veja as informações de produção no IMDbPro
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    Candice Bergen
    Candice Bergen
    • Cresta
    Peter Strauss
    Peter Strauss
    • Honus
    Donald Pleasence
    Donald Pleasence
    • Cumber
    John Anderson
    John Anderson
    • Col. Iverson
    Jorge Rivero
    Jorge Rivero
    • Spotted Wolf
    Dana Elcar
    Dana Elcar
    • Capt. Battles
    Bob Carraway
    • Lt. McNair
    Martin West
    Martin West
    • Lt. Spingarn
    James Hampton
    James Hampton
    • Pvt. Menzies
    Mort Mills
    Mort Mills
    • Sgt. O'Hearn
    Jorge Russek
    Jorge Russek
    • Running Fox
    Aurora Clavel
    Aurora Clavel
    • Indian Woman
    • (as Aurora Clavell)
    Ralph Nelson
    Ralph Nelson
    • Agent Long
    • (as Alf Elson)
    Marco Antonio Arzate
    • Kiowa Warrior
    • (não creditado)
    Barbara De Hubp
    • Mrs. Long
    • (não creditado)
    Ron Fletcher
    • Lt. Mitchell
    • (não creditado)
    Alfredo Tarzan Gutiérrez
    • Kiowa indian
    • (não creditado)
    Conrad Hool
    Conrad Hool
    • Lieutenant
    • (não creditado)
    • Direção
      • Ralph Nelson
    • Roteiristas
      • Theodore V. Olsen
      • John Gay
    • Elenco e equipe completos
    • Produção, bilheteria e muito mais no IMDbPro

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    DJ Inferno

    A hushed up sad chapter in the American history

    Well, nearly the whole film tells the love story of a woman who has grown up at the Indians and an American soldier as well as their survival in the wilderness. The last 15 minutes however have the same shocking effect other controversial films like "Cannibal Holocaust" or "I spit on your grave" have got: it is shown how the US-cavalry massacres/slaughters an innocent and peaceful Indian tribe, how children get killed or even beheaded, women get raped and tortured to death, how genocide was done in the name of freedom, democracy and liberality. Extremely graphic, shocking and disturbing!!! A positive aspect of "Soldier Blue" is, that this film doesn´t deal with the typical "good Americans/bad Indians"-cliché: in this movie you won´t see a glorious hero like John Wayne riding into the sunset at the end, because "Soldier Blue" shows the darkest side of the American glory..!
    9formidible-441-172674

    One of Cinema's greatest westerns

    I still remember seeing this in the cinema at barely legal age. It profoundly affected me. From what starts as an ordinary western, ends in scenes so shocking it left me dumbfounded. But this really was how the west was won - in blood and slaughter. For me this was an awakening to the power of cinema in general and its power to both shock, educate, entertain and bewilder. This is not a film you will forget easily. Fifty years later it still resonates.
    9aj_barros

    An unforgettable variation on the theme "How the West was won".

    I cannot describe the impact that this film had on me. The warmth of the relationship that slowly develops between Honus and Cresta leaves you totally unprepared for the violence of the attack on the Cheyenne village and the scene hits you like a ton of bricks. I saw this film (in Europe) with my ex-wife and none of us could speak a word until we arrived back home, some 30 minutes after the film ended. An interesting variation to "How the West was Won" that I will never forget,
    10TM-2

    Gory, ultra violent western released in USA in highly edited form as a love story.

    As released in the UK, this movie pushed the limits of movie violence to the virtually unwatchable. People literally were sick in the theatres. I saw the movie several times in the theatres and on video. It lost none of its impact on repeated viewing. My research indicates that since the movie depicted the massacre of an Indian village, it was thought not politically correct for viewing in unedited form in the US. It does show the horror of war in a most graphic way. I have not seen anything since that is even remotely close. The highly edited US version shows the power and degree of censorship that existed in the US. To my knowledge, the movie is still not available in the US in unedited form.
    7Wuchakk

    Playful Western Romance sandwiched between two brutal massacres

    After a paymaster cavalry unit is slaughtered by the Cheyenne in 1877, a surviving soldier and Indian sympathizer team-up to get back to the nearest fort (Peter Strauss and Candice Bergen). The young man struggles with contempt for what he considers a treasonous attitude along with his growing affection for the brash woman. Then he sees the awful truth firsthand.

    "Soldier Blue" (1970) is an entertaining, but odd Western. At heart, it's a fun romance between a patriotic military man and a profane "free-spirit" who is able to survive the challenges of the American wilderness precisely because she has shed Victorian inanities. This is bookended by a Cheyenne-led massacre on a non-threatening cavalry group and the military massacre of a peaceful Cheyenne camp, filled with women and children. The latter is obviously based on the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864.

    I respect that the movie shows how massacres happened on both sides, but it stacks the deck against the Caucasian militants by showing them butchering women & children and not vice versa.

    The opening Indian attack ensures that the viewer's sympathies are with Honus (Strauss, the eponymous 'Soldier Blue'), so you travel the same journey as him: At first, regarding the Indians as bloodthirsty savages who have no qualms about committing mass murder and abusing corpses if it'll help them acquire firearms but, ultimately, ending up with the revelation that Honus' 'tribe' can be just as barbaric when fitting, and even more so.

    Barbaric attacks applied to both uncivilized First Americans and more civilized New Americans, but more so with the former, which is documented. Since the 1960s-70s there has been an overemphasis on the injustices committed by the US military or militants/settlers and we get a handful of examples: Wounded Knee, Bear River and Sand Creek (the latter being what this is loosely based on). Yet we never hear the other side of what provoked these events, including the atrocities that First Americans committed against New Americans. We never hear of the Dakota "War" of 1862 where Santee Sioux went on the warpath murdering between 600-800 settlers, which constituted the largest death toll inflicted upon American civilians by an enemy force until 9/11 (civilians, not soldiers); The Ward Massacre; The Nez Perce uprising, which killed dozens of settlers in Idaho and Wyoming; and the Massacre at Fort Mims. We never hear of the countless innocent settlers (not soldiers) who were murdered by bands of young "warriors": While a chief was signing a peace treaty on the tribe's behalf, they were out robbing, raping and murdering.

    In short, it's easy to be pro-AmerIndian sitting on the comfort of your sofa, but not so much when you & your loved ones are threatened with gross torture, rape and slaughter in the wilderness.

    The Euro-settlers wanted the land and resources while the AmerIndians craved the valuable technology of the New Americans. Both sides used treaties for peaceable relations while still trying to get what they desired when war was too costly. Both opted for combat when deemed necessary.

    I should add that the real military leader who ordered the attack on the Sand Creek camp in southeast colorado, John Chivington, wasn't even an Army officer, but rather a self-appointed head of militia in the Colorado Territory during the Civil War when most capable men were away fighting for the Union in the East (remember, the real Sand Creek Massacre happened during the Civil War, not in 1877). The atrocity Chivington & his men committed at Sand Creek was separate from the US Army and not typical of government policy. In the immediate aftermath, Captain Silas Soule, an officer of the First Colorado Cavalry, condemned it as an unjust and savage massacre executed on a peaceful camp.

    I'm part Abenaki and love American Indian culture, but the Leftist whitewashing of Indian atrocities and the corresponding revisionist history is deceitful and unbalanced. "Soldier Blue" is guilty of this to a degree, but features enough balance to make it worthwhile (as opposed to the grossly dishonest "Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here" from 9-10 months earlier). It's entertaining and offers equilibrium concerning the Indian Wars even though its sympathies tend to be with the First Americans.

    The film runs 1 hour, 52 minutes, and was shot in Chihuahua and Sonora in northwest Mexico.

    GRADE: B.

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    • Curiosidades
      Original work print of the movie was 135 minutes long. When it was test-screened to an audience, they almost started a riot after watching this version. This was the only time that the full uncut version was shown, and it caused the studio to decide that it was unreleasable unless massive cuts were made to the film's violent scenes. Some of these cut and never included in any official version scenes include shots of Indian women's breasts being sliced off and thrown around; children's limbs graphically severed (real amputees were employed for these shots); a little girl's legs cut off by wagon wheels; a soldier gleefully cutting an Indian's arms off before shooting another Cheyenne in the eye; the fate of Spotted Wolf, who is beheaded and his head is hoisted as a trophy by a soldier before he tosses it to another soldier, who then throws it off camera. Spotted Wolf's head attached to the stirrup of a cavalryman was not cut and is shown in the release print, and there are stills showing his mutilated body lying on the ground without the head and four cavalrymen running around with his severed head in their hands, howling and laughing while blood is spurting from the neck stump.
    • Erros de gravação
      The voice-over at the end of the film describes the events witnessed as taking place in 1864. However, earlier in the movie Honus tells Cresta that his father was killed at the battle of Little Bighorn which occurred in 1876.
    • Citações

      Col. Iverson: When I see young people today behaving like that I just... I can't help wondering what this goddamn country's coming to.

    • Versões alternativas
      The movie was originally rated "R" by the MPAA. In 1974 a new version was rated "PG" which removed the most graphically violent parts from the massacre as well as a toned down rape scene, but the scene still contained full frontal nudity of a native woman.
    • Conexões
      Featured in JFK II: The Bush Connection (2003)
    • Trilhas sonoras
      Soldier Blue
      Written by Buffy Sainte-Marie, Produced by Jack Nitzsche

      Performed by Buffy Sainte-Marie

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    Detalhes

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    • Data de lançamento
      • 25 de setembro de 1970 (Itália)
    • País de origem
      • Estados Unidos da América
    • Idioma
      • Inglês
    • Também conhecido como
      • Soldier Blue
    • Locações de filme
      • San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora, México
    • Empresas de produção
      • AVCO Embassy Pictures
      • Katzka-Loeb
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    • Faturamento bruto nos EUA e Canadá
      • US$ 510.520
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    • Tempo de duração
      • 1 h 55 min(115 min)
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      • Color
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      • Mono
    • Proporção
      • 2.39 : 1

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