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Producer Stanley Kramer and Director Edward Dmytryk deliberately chose a cast of unknowns who later did move on to varying degrees of success in the film industry, most notably Lee Marvin, for the cast of Eight Iron Men.
It's a tense situation for this squad in some small town on the Italian front in World War II. One of their number is pinned down by a machine gun and it's wearing on the nerves of the other seven. Especially when they get orders to pull back and leave him until replacements come.
The film shows the tension on all of them. Lee Marvin with his war experience in the Pacific Theater is a natural as the concerned sergeant. Other good performances are from Arthur Franz, Richard Kiley, Nick Dennis, and most of all Bonar Colleano whose career was mostly in the United Kingdom. This was one of the few American made films for the New York City expatriate.
Eight Iron Men is based on a flop play on Broadway by Harry Brown which ran only 23 performances in 1945 and featured Sam Levene and a most unknown Burt Lancaster. Obviously someone named Harry Cohn didn't want to pay Lancaster's going rate in 1952 to get him for the screen version.
Even without Burt, Eight Iron Men is a well made war drama and should not be missed.
It's a tense situation for this squad in some small town on the Italian front in World War II. One of their number is pinned down by a machine gun and it's wearing on the nerves of the other seven. Especially when they get orders to pull back and leave him until replacements come.
The film shows the tension on all of them. Lee Marvin with his war experience in the Pacific Theater is a natural as the concerned sergeant. Other good performances are from Arthur Franz, Richard Kiley, Nick Dennis, and most of all Bonar Colleano whose career was mostly in the United Kingdom. This was one of the few American made films for the New York City expatriate.
Eight Iron Men is based on a flop play on Broadway by Harry Brown which ran only 23 performances in 1945 and featured Sam Levene and a most unknown Burt Lancaster. Obviously someone named Harry Cohn didn't want to pay Lancaster's going rate in 1952 to get him for the screen version.
Even without Burt, Eight Iron Men is a well made war drama and should not be missed.
- bkoganbing
- 3 de set. de 2007
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- max von meyerling
- 21 de ago. de 2006
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- sol-kay
- 21 de ago. de 2006
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Can't recall when I've seen a better war picture. I've seen lots of them with more action, as this is mainly a talking picture, but this one features extraordinarily good acting performances from the entire cast. Especially good was Bonar Colleano, who is the central figure in the story. He is the Wise-Guy-From-The-Bronx, a character movie directors and writers liked to insert into their work, and Colleano makes the most of his star turn.
As with all movies reviewed on the website, the plot has been restated by all contributors, but just let me say it seems mainly like a filmed stage play. But the film is not static and the action moves at a brisk pace, if you can imagine this in a movie with basically one set. We get to learn about each platoon member as characters are fleshed out to a remarkable degree, so that we understand what motivates each one.
Noteworthy, apart from Colleano is Lee Marvin, here honing his tough guy credentials, and Nick Dennis with much more of a part than he normally was used to. I thought Barney Phillips, a good actor himself, was miscast as the Captain. He was just too old for the part - if you have been in the service you would spot it right away. Ol' reliable TCM aired this one the other day, and it is very worth watching.
As with all movies reviewed on the website, the plot has been restated by all contributors, but just let me say it seems mainly like a filmed stage play. But the film is not static and the action moves at a brisk pace, if you can imagine this in a movie with basically one set. We get to learn about each platoon member as characters are fleshed out to a remarkable degree, so that we understand what motivates each one.
Noteworthy, apart from Colleano is Lee Marvin, here honing his tough guy credentials, and Nick Dennis with much more of a part than he normally was used to. I thought Barney Phillips, a good actor himself, was miscast as the Captain. He was just too old for the part - if you have been in the service you would spot it right away. Ol' reliable TCM aired this one the other day, and it is very worth watching.
- GManfred
- 20 de set. de 2012
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At first may seem like a poorly written and acted movie but you must REMEMBER that this movie was made in 1952 and one must use his/her imagination to fill in the missing special effects that we've been forced to endure.
Many movies of the era used the same format but the movie was about individual soldiers and not the war. I'm sure combat veterans would be better suited to comment on the goodness/badness of the film but suspect they would like it.
Maybe Lee Marvin's first starring role? But the character of Sergeant Joe Mooney was carried out thru his career and it is always a pleasure to watch.
A good movie for its time and remains so in my humble opinion.
Many movies of the era used the same format but the movie was about individual soldiers and not the war. I'm sure combat veterans would be better suited to comment on the goodness/badness of the film but suspect they would like it.
Maybe Lee Marvin's first starring role? But the character of Sergeant Joe Mooney was carried out thru his career and it is always a pleasure to watch.
A good movie for its time and remains so in my humble opinion.
- wpg39
- 20 de set. de 2007
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"Eight Iron Men" is a close-up picture of the American GIs of one squad in the later days of combat in World War II. This squad has been holding a patrol position in a bombed town where German snipers are in hiding. When one three-man patrol is returning to the squad's position, it's fired upon by a machine gun and one of the men slips and is pinned down. The rest of the film has the members of the squad trying to decide to rescue the pinned down GI, or not. With orders coming for them to withdraw behind their lines, there's some nice drama in this.
I think a couple of characters were overly played. Lee Marvin will be the most recognized of the cast as Sgt. Joe Mooney. He shows the turmoil of not wanting to leave a man behind and the risking of more lives to save the one man. To audiences who have never been in such a situation (including veterans like me with no combat time), "Iron Men" does seem very talky. But realizing that this squad has been holed up in this position for more than two weeks, it's not so unreasonable to think that they may talk about things other than their current situation. So, food, the girl back home, family and some fun times were all things that GIs in combat were likely to think and talk about with their fellow GIs.
While some GIs no doubt had a pinup picture of a famous movie personality, how many had fox holes or lodgings in combat where they could put a magazine photo on a wall? The movie-star pinup was one of those throwaway items that Hollywood seemed to toss into so many war movies after World War II.
This is an all-male cast and story, but Columbia managed to sneak some "hot" female type in the pinups and dreams of a couple of the GIs. And, in its usual style (or lack thereof), the movie promos highlighted the sexual allure, which really accounted for a small amount of film time. The cinematography and direction elevated this film.
My favorite line in this film is when Capt. Trelawny says to Sgt. Mooney, "You know, sergeant, before the war I used to be a car salesman. I used to smile all the time. Every time someone came in the door I gave 'em a big smile."
I think a couple of characters were overly played. Lee Marvin will be the most recognized of the cast as Sgt. Joe Mooney. He shows the turmoil of not wanting to leave a man behind and the risking of more lives to save the one man. To audiences who have never been in such a situation (including veterans like me with no combat time), "Iron Men" does seem very talky. But realizing that this squad has been holed up in this position for more than two weeks, it's not so unreasonable to think that they may talk about things other than their current situation. So, food, the girl back home, family and some fun times were all things that GIs in combat were likely to think and talk about with their fellow GIs.
While some GIs no doubt had a pinup picture of a famous movie personality, how many had fox holes or lodgings in combat where they could put a magazine photo on a wall? The movie-star pinup was one of those throwaway items that Hollywood seemed to toss into so many war movies after World War II.
This is an all-male cast and story, but Columbia managed to sneak some "hot" female type in the pinups and dreams of a couple of the GIs. And, in its usual style (or lack thereof), the movie promos highlighted the sexual allure, which really accounted for a small amount of film time. The cinematography and direction elevated this film.
My favorite line in this film is when Capt. Trelawny says to Sgt. Mooney, "You know, sergeant, before the war I used to be a car salesman. I used to smile all the time. Every time someone came in the door I gave 'em a big smile."
- SimonJack
- 22 de jun. de 2024
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- malcp
- 20 de nov. de 2015
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Plainly based on a play, and like the film version a few years later of 'The Long and the Short and the Tall' an obvious studio set reminiscent of the dug-out in 'Journey's End' provides the confined backdrop to the squabblings of the cast; which director Dmytryk's exaggerated compositions simply emphasise the theatricality of. You can understand the change of title from 'A Sound of Hunting' to the more rugged 'Eight Iron Men'; but anybody lured in by the posters flaunting Mary Castle from the ghastly dream sequences really was in for a big disappointment...!
The rain-soaked exteriors in a bombed-out town anticipate the later scenes in 'Saving Private Ryan' (which after the famous opening sequence also became very talky), and the cast, while then short on star power (Kiley & Marvin made it big later, the former on Broadway) is an interesting one to connoisseurs of old movies.
The rain-soaked exteriors in a bombed-out town anticipate the later scenes in 'Saving Private Ryan' (which after the famous opening sequence also became very talky), and the cast, while then short on star power (Kiley & Marvin made it big later, the former on Broadway) is an interesting one to connoisseurs of old movies.
- richardchatten
- 25 de ago. de 2019
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This is a tense little war drama from Columbia. The production values aren't much, but they really don't have to be. Released in 1952 and directed by Edward Dmytryck, it deals more with the personal than the patriotic. It is a WW2 drama that tried to find an audience during the Korean War. That couldn't have been easy.
It deals with the inter-personal relations between eight war weary GI's stuck up on the line in war torn European town. The lead is an ex-pat New Yorker named Bonar Colleano. He isn't well known in the states, but he was a big star in England during the war. Always playing the wise cracking Yank. His co-lead is Lee Marvin. He plays the squad leader and the glue that keeps these dogfaces together. The cast is rounded out by Arthur Franz, Dick(ie) Moore, and Richar Kiley. None of them big names in 1952, but all of them up to the job.
We find this beat up group jammed in a cellar while one of them is pinned down in a foxhole by a German machine gun. The squad is told they will be pulled off the line and they have to decide if or how they are going to rescue their buddy. Each squad member faces his own moment of truth. Some show bravery, some cowardice, some indecision, and one is just trigger happy and about ready to go over the edge.
I like this movie, but it does have a couple of problems. I mentioned the production values. It's a little set bound - almost like a stage play. Most of the action takes place in the cellar, and the exteriors are stock WW2 war torn European street. The dialogue does get a little corny in spots. But the main problem I have with this movie is the basic premise. I can understand an isolated group of guys, faced with the prospect of being pulled out of combat having mixed emotions about putting themselves back in harm's way to rescue a comrade, but that's the dilemma. How could they, in good conscience, leave him behind? Besides, this is an experienced infantry squad loaded with weapons. How could they not figure out a way to successfully assault a single machine gun nest. Despite these criticisms, the movie holds up well. The characters are human - not cartoons.
It's hard to find, but if you're a war movie buff, keep looking.
It deals with the inter-personal relations between eight war weary GI's stuck up on the line in war torn European town. The lead is an ex-pat New Yorker named Bonar Colleano. He isn't well known in the states, but he was a big star in England during the war. Always playing the wise cracking Yank. His co-lead is Lee Marvin. He plays the squad leader and the glue that keeps these dogfaces together. The cast is rounded out by Arthur Franz, Dick(ie) Moore, and Richar Kiley. None of them big names in 1952, but all of them up to the job.
We find this beat up group jammed in a cellar while one of them is pinned down in a foxhole by a German machine gun. The squad is told they will be pulled off the line and they have to decide if or how they are going to rescue their buddy. Each squad member faces his own moment of truth. Some show bravery, some cowardice, some indecision, and one is just trigger happy and about ready to go over the edge.
I like this movie, but it does have a couple of problems. I mentioned the production values. It's a little set bound - almost like a stage play. Most of the action takes place in the cellar, and the exteriors are stock WW2 war torn European street. The dialogue does get a little corny in spots. But the main problem I have with this movie is the basic premise. I can understand an isolated group of guys, faced with the prospect of being pulled out of combat having mixed emotions about putting themselves back in harm's way to rescue a comrade, but that's the dilemma. How could they, in good conscience, leave him behind? Besides, this is an experienced infantry squad loaded with weapons. How could they not figure out a way to successfully assault a single machine gun nest. Despite these criticisms, the movie holds up well. The characters are human - not cartoons.
It's hard to find, but if you're a war movie buff, keep looking.
- howdymax
- 20 de ago. de 2006
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Based on a 1945 play by Harry Brown, this dreary movie moves between standard banter between men in a somewhat stressful situation (the bombed out rubble of a house in Italy) who are ordered out but are reluctant to leave a pinned down member of the platoon, and dream sequences that are painful, and populated by Rita Hayworth look-a-likes. While an excellent example of the continuing development of the persona of Lee Marvin, and containing one of last performances of Bonar Colleano, who would be killed in an auto accident a few years later, it is really a vehicle for several Hollywood character actors whose faces but not names come readily to mind (Arthur Franz, Richard Kiley (pre LaMancha), Barney Phillips and James Griffith). Not available on DVD or VHS, it surfaces occasionally on TV in connection with Lee Marvin retrospectives. That is the only reason to see this film.
- batjacole1
- 19 de ago. de 2006
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A mix of "Stalag 17" and television's "Combat" series (which it inspired), "Eight Iron Men" (1952) is my favorite war movie. Made when Director Edward Dmytryk was still paying attention to his acting for the camera direction, "Eight Iron Men" is Harry Brown's adaptation of his play "A Sound of Hunting". Brown would later write one of the more classic episodes of "Combat".
Dmytryk, noted for his action sequences, was smart enough to concentrate on the play's extremely clever repartee between the members of an infantry squad who are marking time in the ruins of a destroyed town in Europe late in WWII. Squad leader Sgt. Mooney (Lee Marvin) has somehow managed to keep his group intact up to this point of the war. His goal of leaving the town with all seven of his men is threatened when the squad's most inept member Private Small (George Cooper) gets himself pinned down in a shell-hole; a few yards away from a well-protected German machine gun nest.
With orders to pull back the squad is torn between disobeying or abandoning their buddy to the Germans. Their decision is further complicated by not knowing if Small is still alive. Once this situation has been fleshed out, Dmytryk builds up the tension as it becomes closer and closer to the time they must leave.
By the end of the film you feel like you know all the six of Mooney's multi-ethnic squad members. There is a comedian (Nick Dennis), a hot-head (Richard Kiley), a pragmatist (Arthur Franz), a cub scout (Dickie Moore), a war-weary dreamer (James Griffith), and a dame obsessed gold brick (Bonar Colleano).
Much like "Das Boot" and "Cross of Iron", the members of the squad have shared so many intense experiences that they have become closer to each other than they ever were to their own family members. This makes their choice even more difficult.
Like the best anti-war films, "Eight Iron Men" is full of hard-bitten cynicism as a group of humans try to maintain their dignity in an insane environment. The face of war is gritty-not glamorous in "Eight Iron Men" and the film is not for those looking for fast edits and flashy action sequences.
Then again, what do I know? I'm only a child.
Dmytryk, noted for his action sequences, was smart enough to concentrate on the play's extremely clever repartee between the members of an infantry squad who are marking time in the ruins of a destroyed town in Europe late in WWII. Squad leader Sgt. Mooney (Lee Marvin) has somehow managed to keep his group intact up to this point of the war. His goal of leaving the town with all seven of his men is threatened when the squad's most inept member Private Small (George Cooper) gets himself pinned down in a shell-hole; a few yards away from a well-protected German machine gun nest.
With orders to pull back the squad is torn between disobeying or abandoning their buddy to the Germans. Their decision is further complicated by not knowing if Small is still alive. Once this situation has been fleshed out, Dmytryk builds up the tension as it becomes closer and closer to the time they must leave.
By the end of the film you feel like you know all the six of Mooney's multi-ethnic squad members. There is a comedian (Nick Dennis), a hot-head (Richard Kiley), a pragmatist (Arthur Franz), a cub scout (Dickie Moore), a war-weary dreamer (James Griffith), and a dame obsessed gold brick (Bonar Colleano).
Much like "Das Boot" and "Cross of Iron", the members of the squad have shared so many intense experiences that they have become closer to each other than they ever were to their own family members. This makes their choice even more difficult.
Like the best anti-war films, "Eight Iron Men" is full of hard-bitten cynicism as a group of humans try to maintain their dignity in an insane environment. The face of war is gritty-not glamorous in "Eight Iron Men" and the film is not for those looking for fast edits and flashy action sequences.
Then again, what do I know? I'm only a child.
- aimless-46
- 3 de set. de 2007
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Edward Dmytryk returned from the McCarthy hearings to direct this slightly expanded stage show of eight World War Two soldiers, sitting around in a wrecked basement, waiting for their chance to go on furlough .... but the sergeant --- played by a Lee Marvin so young that he still has dark hair -- wants to go out and find a missing man. The endless talk talk talk is alleviated occasionally as Marvin goes out to see the company's captain, who also lives in a wrecked basement.
Dmytryk and the screenwriters have done very little to expand this for the screen. You may, if you like, interpret this as a failure of nerve of Dmytryk's part: he had originally refused to testify as to who was a Communist before the House Unamerican Activities Committee. A few months in jail broke his resolve, and he spent the remainder of his career directing ever larger, ever glossier and ever emptier films.
Dmytryk and the screenwriters have done very little to expand this for the screen. You may, if you like, interpret this as a failure of nerve of Dmytryk's part: he had originally refused to testify as to who was a Communist before the House Unamerican Activities Committee. A few months in jail broke his resolve, and he spent the remainder of his career directing ever larger, ever glossier and ever emptier films.
- boblipton
- 20 de ago. de 2006
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Great acting. A real psychological portrayal of soldiers in WWII. Very honest and unglamorous considering the number of BS WWII mythology films in the '50s. Marvin and Kiley are great along with a bunch of guys (Colucci) that I'd never heard of. The fantasy sequences break up the tense yet tedious, claustrophobic atmosphere. Great B&W cinematography with excellent dramatic CUs. I'm not surprised given the human quality of this war movie that it was part of the Stanley Kramer production company. Save Smalls or eat his piece of cake!!!!!! Lee Marvin was one of the great American actors. What an ensemble in this film. All acting is top notch. the characters are all ones that we knowthe ladies man, the stoic, the emotional and passionate one...great!
- kapop69
- 19 de ago. de 2006
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Eight Iron Men is based on a stage play. The story is reminiscent of Saving Private Ryan but that is where the similarities end.
This second world war drama has a soldier, Private Small trapped outside under a hail of machine gun fire. The rest of the infantrymen are trapped inside a house in Italy.
Each time someone goes to rescue the man, they are met with bullets from the machine gun post.
Lee Marvin outshines the rest of the cast as the hard boiled sergeant determined to rescue the soldier. However this is a low budget dreary and talkative war drama that shows up its stage origins as it has little action. The switch between the men hemmed in the bomb butted house and Bonar Colleano's daydream sequence of fantasising about beautiful women is jarring. The ending in anticlimactic.
This second world war drama has a soldier, Private Small trapped outside under a hail of machine gun fire. The rest of the infantrymen are trapped inside a house in Italy.
Each time someone goes to rescue the man, they are met with bullets from the machine gun post.
Lee Marvin outshines the rest of the cast as the hard boiled sergeant determined to rescue the soldier. However this is a low budget dreary and talkative war drama that shows up its stage origins as it has little action. The switch between the men hemmed in the bomb butted house and Bonar Colleano's daydream sequence of fantasising about beautiful women is jarring. The ending in anticlimactic.
- Prismark10
- 24 de mai. de 2019
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"Eight Iron Men" is a war film filled with familiar faces--both of actors whose faces you'll recognize but not their names as well as a few folks before they hit stardom...as well as one guy who used to be a very big child star back in the day.
The plot is simple. While a group of eight G.I.s are hunkered down in the remnants of an Italian town, one in the group gets pinned down by a German machine gun nest. The rest of the company want to try to rescue him...but they are ordered by the Major not to attempt this, as he doesn't want to lose additional troops.
The most interesting cast member is Lee Marvin--playing pretty much the sort of guy he really was during WWII. He's great...and it's one of his earliest roles. Additional interesting cast members include Bonar Colleano, Dickie Moore and Richard Kiley. Colleano is a familiar face and he was an American living in Britain, so whenever a British film wanted a stereotypical American, they'd cast Colleano. Moore was a HUGE child star and member of Our Gang. And Richard Kiley later went on to great fame playing many roles on TV and Broadway. What these men and the rest of the cast have in common is that they weren't yet stars and were excellent at playing average Joes.
The net effect of this film is an interesting psychological portrait of ordinary men stretched to the limits. You can see the best and the worst of some of the guys...but most just wanna protect their tushes and survive the see the end of the war. Overall, it's a nice little low budget film--excelling with realism and full of grit.
The plot is simple. While a group of eight G.I.s are hunkered down in the remnants of an Italian town, one in the group gets pinned down by a German machine gun nest. The rest of the company want to try to rescue him...but they are ordered by the Major not to attempt this, as he doesn't want to lose additional troops.
The most interesting cast member is Lee Marvin--playing pretty much the sort of guy he really was during WWII. He's great...and it's one of his earliest roles. Additional interesting cast members include Bonar Colleano, Dickie Moore and Richard Kiley. Colleano is a familiar face and he was an American living in Britain, so whenever a British film wanted a stereotypical American, they'd cast Colleano. Moore was a HUGE child star and member of Our Gang. And Richard Kiley later went on to great fame playing many roles on TV and Broadway. What these men and the rest of the cast have in common is that they weren't yet stars and were excellent at playing average Joes.
The net effect of this film is an interesting psychological portrait of ordinary men stretched to the limits. You can see the best and the worst of some of the guys...but most just wanna protect their tushes and survive the see the end of the war. Overall, it's a nice little low budget film--excelling with realism and full of grit.
- planktonrules
- 18 de fev. de 2017
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- Leofwine_draca
- 24 de set. de 2017
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- spotter-2
- 21 de jun. de 2019
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This begins as a nice stage play war drama, with mostly good characters, although a few are too Hollywood, even for its day.
The attempts at comic relief are snippets that aren't much, but seem realistic, with the best comic relief coming from James Griffith, one of those actors you always recognize, but never know the name of. He's the one with the "sleepy, roguish, comical look" you see in films and TV shows.
Lee Marvin, Arthur Franz, and Richard Kiley are the big names here, but we also have an invader from Venus (at least according to a Twilight Zone episode) as an officer. All the actors do a very good job.
You've probably read the scenario. It's about a squad of eight men, and one of them is pinned down by the enemy, while the other seven stew about saving him somehow.
The last 20 minutes or so bring this down, when the totally Hollywood character meant to appease a certain portion of the audience, becomes a superman. That brings it down two stars, because it was way overplayed.
The attempts at comic relief are snippets that aren't much, but seem realistic, with the best comic relief coming from James Griffith, one of those actors you always recognize, but never know the name of. He's the one with the "sleepy, roguish, comical look" you see in films and TV shows.
Lee Marvin, Arthur Franz, and Richard Kiley are the big names here, but we also have an invader from Venus (at least according to a Twilight Zone episode) as an officer. All the actors do a very good job.
You've probably read the scenario. It's about a squad of eight men, and one of them is pinned down by the enemy, while the other seven stew about saving him somehow.
The last 20 minutes or so bring this down, when the totally Hollywood character meant to appease a certain portion of the audience, becomes a superman. That brings it down two stars, because it was way overplayed.
- drystyx
- 2 de fev. de 2023
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- michaelRokeefe
- 14 de jun. de 2015
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This attempt at a WW2 atmosphere did not succeed. It smacked more of the Korean War than WW2. This was a common problem of all war films about WW2 that were produced after 1953. There were some that escaped that atmosphere, such as the Bridge Over the River Kwai, but for the vast majority of other attempts, there was only a vague feeling that something was missing.
Lee Marvin appeared to be the only true iron man in the squad. I was not buying Colucci's character magically changing at the conclusion of the film. The players give their best shot, but cannot save the talky, dreary dialogue. Basically, it is 20 minutes of action surrounded by an hour of talk and innuendo. There really isnt very much tension, as was intended by the script. This film flopped as a play, and for good reason. The film flops for the same reason.
Lee Marvin appeared to be the only true iron man in the squad. I was not buying Colucci's character magically changing at the conclusion of the film. The players give their best shot, but cannot save the talky, dreary dialogue. Basically, it is 20 minutes of action surrounded by an hour of talk and innuendo. There really isnt very much tension, as was intended by the script. This film flopped as a play, and for good reason. The film flops for the same reason.
- arthur_tafero
- 8 de jun. de 2023
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- jonkennedy
- 4 de jul. de 2019
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- edwagreen
- 14 de out. de 2016
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