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Titanic - O Épico Nazista Banido

Título original: Titanic
  • 1943
  • TV-PG
  • 1 h 25 min
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Titanic - O Épico Nazista Banido (1943)
Third Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and starts to go down.
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Adicionar um enredo no seu idiomaThird Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in ... Ler tudoThird Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and starts to go down.Third Reich's Nazi propaganda epic about a heroic fictional German officer on board of the RMS Titanic. On its maiden voyage in April 1912, the supposedly unsinkable ship hits an iceberg in the Atlantic Ocean and starts to go down.

  • Direção
    • Herbert Selpin
    • Werner Klingler
  • Roteiristas
    • Harald Bratt
    • Hansi Köck
    • Herbert Selpin
  • Artistas
    • Sybille Schmitz
    • Hans Nielsen
    • Kirsten Heiberg
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  • AVALIAÇÃO DA IMDb
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    • Direção
      • Herbert Selpin
      • Werner Klingler
    • Roteiristas
      • Harald Bratt
      • Hansi Köck
      • Herbert Selpin
    • Artistas
      • Sybille Schmitz
      • Hans Nielsen
      • Kirsten Heiberg
    • 49Avaliações de usuários
    • 19Avaliações da crítica
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    Sybille Schmitz
    Sybille Schmitz
    • Sigrid Olinsky
    Hans Nielsen
    • 1st Officer Petersen
    Kirsten Heiberg
    Kirsten Heiberg
    • Gloria
    Ernst Fritz Fürbringer
    Ernst Fritz Fürbringer
    • Sir Bruce Ismay
    • (as E.F. Fürbringer)
    Karl Schönböck
    Karl Schönböck
    • John Jacob Astor
    Charlotte Thiele
    Charlotte Thiele
    • Lady Astor
    Otto Wernicke
    Otto Wernicke
    • Captain Edward J. Smith
    Franz Schafheitlin
    • Hunderson
    Sepp Rist
    • Jan
    Claude Farell
    Claude Farell
    • Manniküre Hedi
    • (as Monika Burg)
    Claus Holm
    Claus Holm
    • Steuermann
    Jolly Bohnert
    • Marcia
    • (não creditado)
    Hermann Brix
    Hermann Brix
    • Kapellmeister Gruber
    • (não creditado)
    Fritz Böttger
    • Lord Douglas
    • (não creditado)
    Karl Dannemann
    Karl Dannemann
    • 1. Funker Philipps
    • (não creditado)
    Kurt Alexander Duma
    • 2. Ingenieur Hesketh
    • (não creditado)
    Peter Elsholtz
    Peter Elsholtz
    • Landarbeiter Bobby
    • (não creditado)
    Karl Fochler
    • Obersteward
    • (não creditado)
    • Direção
      • Herbert Selpin
      • Werner Klingler
    • Roteiristas
      • Harald Bratt
      • Hansi Köck
      • Herbert Selpin
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    8J. Steed

    PROPAGANDA-EFFECTIVE DRAMA

    Most articles on this film tend to overlook the intrinsic qualities of the film as film, though of course these are connected with the propaganda aspect. The opening scenes (the board meeting and subsequent meeting) are strong and the key to the propaganda: in a very short time it is effectively made clear what the point of view of this film is and what follows is an entertaining and propaganda-effective film. From the moment we are on the ship until the collision the film is drama routine, but one of the better sort. Really exiting is the film from collision till sinking, i.e. when the real drama emerges and the splendid special effects do their jobs; not one aspect of the outlined drama is forgotten, it is fast-paced and very well directed.

    Of the cast it is Sybille Schmitz who excels, while other members also do a very good job; they must have done so otherwise the whole propaganda aspect would not have come across. There is one exception here: it seems that Hans Neilsen (playing the German officer) is very good, but he is not. It is often said that he speaks his lines as a Wehrmacht officer on duty, but for me his machine gun like delivered lines sound more like the staccato of the regular commentator of the Deutsche Wochenschau (compare this, when you have the possibility).

    Though this film is obviously anti-British, it is rather anti English capitalist establishment and their decadence than anti-British per se *; an anti-capitalism not so much based on (to generalize) theoretical arguments, but (as most of fascist ideas) on the petty bourgeois middle class mentality and jealousy towards others who are better off. The crux for this is in the strong opening: it is here when Ismay remarks that he cannot take into account the interests of the small investors, they must bend to his need and of course greed. As such the focus of the propaganda is established; on the ship we meet very wealthy people playing with money (e.g. the gamblers) and people preferring money above people (Lord Astor, well played by Schönbock), these being decorum for the propaganda and an elaboration of the already established focus. Money (large sums bidden for almost everything) plays the major part in this film (it should have received first credit). Lord Astor even worries about stolen jewelry while the ship is sinking: money makes decadent. Compare for instance the cynic way of life upper deck and the more natural and spontaneous life lower deck.

    [* Noteworthy is that after its re-release in 1950 it was quickly banned again in the Western zones, while in the Soviet zone it was screened without a problem; the anti-capitalism might have done the trick.]

    The pro-German aspect and the answer to everything is German officer Petersen. He not almost single handedly saves a part of the passengers, he also shows the right spirit when it comes to human feelings. Only when the Baltic countess says she has no money anymore, he gives room for his feelings towards her; what a fine chap, he is! And it is from that point on that she does her duty as a human being and starts helping out with the rescue: money makes cynic.

    There is also a hint of Durchhaltefilm here. Take for instance that schematic and ideological German rural couple; not a couple of flesh and blood, they seem to have walked straight out of a Nazi rural painting. Men and women are separated for the rescue, but this couple stays together: in an almost religious shot they hold hands expressing that nothing can separate them. They are separated by force of the panic, but reconciled again in the end. No catastrophe can undermine the simple German life.

    This Titanic has its influence on film history as well. It has been ripped off at least twice, first in 1958 for A Night to Remember (a story widely known) and recently by James Cameron who for his Titanic but boring endeavour stole quite some story ideas and complete scenes; check this when you have the opportunity.

    It is often written that this film was not released in Germany cause of the death (suicide, murder?) of its first director Selpin. Wetzel & Hagemann in their survey of censorship in Nazi Germany (book, 1978) claim that this is not so. It had its unnoticed premiere in 1943 in unimportant cinemas, only to be banned in December 1944 for the well-known reason: the audience was not to be confronted with catastrophes.

    Beware which version you see; as I understand it there are 2 versions. The longer one (the one I saw) includes a final scene in court; Petersen is the German J'accuse of Bruce Ismay, but there appears to be no British justice.
    8lawprof

    A Dramatic, Effective Telling of the Titanic Story - From Nazi Germany

    It's not that common in movie history that a director angers the producer/distributor of his movie so much that the latter has the former murdered. That's what happened to co-director Herbert Selpin in 1942 before the release of Germany's film contribution to the Titanic saga. Dr. Josef Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister and self-anointed arbiter of culture in the Third Reich, had the Gestapo arrest Selpin who was reported dead in his cell the day after. Suicide? Ridiculous.

    The Titanic story has been told many times on film, both as documentary and as drama. Interest currently appears to intensify with the same speed as the over-visited wreck rapidly succumbs to a final ballet of disintegration.

    Years ago The Film Society of Lincoln Center ran a retrospective of movies produced during the Third Reich. For most attendees it was a revelation, and a disturbing one at that. Many are familiar with the late Leni Reifenstahl's documentary paean to the Olympics (propaganda aside, one of the greatest films of that genre) and the odious "Jude Suss" is the iconographic movie symbolism of Nazi antisemitism. Few were aware how much genuine creativity, free of obvious dogmatism, emerged from that twelve-year period of German darkness and depravity. The retrospective made many think about the complexity of life in 1933-1945 Germany.

    One of the films I saw was the 1943 "Titanic" which had a small premiere followed by an order from Goebbels pulling the movie. Ostensibly, Germans were not to be exposed to seeing the panic on the great liner as it foundered (actually most Germans, especially those in urban areas, had more visible frequent reasons to panic by 1943.

    Selpin (with co-director Werner Klingler) turned out a sumptuous, ornate and dramatically compelling movie. Largely using the known facts, "Titanic" tells the well worn tale of a ship driven to unreasonable and dangerous speeds in order to set a record. There are some significant deviations. Here, the English first officer - seized with some malady - is replaced by a German seaman named Petersen, a model of experience and rectitude. J. Bruce Ismay, whose social life was justifiably ruined because of his escaping the sinking behemoth, is unrealistically portrayed as a grasping cad whose crudity was not found in the self-absorbed, rich and supinely confident real shipping magnate. The vessel's master, Captain Smith, is overly subservient to Ismay but he responds well to the disaster.

    This movie wasn't made on the cheap. Given the deteriorating wartime situation, a lot of marks were expended for terrific sets and fine attire.

    There's no real Nazi propaganda. The movie ends with a comment that English greed occasioned the loss of so many lives but very many books and articles from Old Blighty and the U.S. echo that view.

    Because of its anti-British utterances, the Allies banned the movie in their sectors in Germany at first while it was freely available in the Soviet zone. Hardly a surprise-that movie maven, Stalin, probably loved this capitalist-bashing film.

    KINO VIDEO has performed a real service by releasing the film on DVD. There are two versions-this release is the shorter one without the trial scene in which survivor Petersen rails against the British in court. Actually the movie is stronger for that omission. After she goes down, what else is there really to say?

    There are some interesting special features on the disc including an early commercial short made by the White Star Line showing the amenities of RMS Olympic, another luxury liner built before Titanic (technically, Olympic wasn't a sister ship of its more famous and briefly triumphant successor but the differences aren't important).

    This is an important release for Titanic buffs but also for those interested in film-making in Nazi Germany. There were movies made that deserve current viewing for reasons apart from their historic association with a barbaric regime.

    7/10
    6paul_m_haakonsen

    Quite impressive...

    I stumbled upon this 1943 German produced depiction of the Titanic events by random chance here in 2023. And seeing that it was made as German propaganda during World War II, I must admit that I was a bit hesitant about watching it.

    However, I opted to give the movie the benefit of the doubt, and while the script and storyline, as written by Harald Bratt, Hansi Köck, Herbert Selpin and Walter Zerlett-Olfeniusm wasn't exactly fully historically accurate, then it was actually a surprisingly well-made movie.

    Sure, the storyline is one that I am well-familiar with already, even way before 1997 and the James Cameron movie, since I have been historically interested in the events of Titanic since I was a child back in the mid-1980s. And while there were some twists to the historical events here in the movie, I will say that directors Herbert Selpin and Werner Klingler actually put together an entertaining movie. And with it being made in 1943 and in black and white, the movie actually still holds up today.

    Needless to say that I wasn't familiar with the cast ensemble here, as I have very limited experience with the German cinema, much less the World War II era of German cinema. But the actors and actresses on the cast list put on good performances.

    Visually then I was acturally impressed with this 1943 version of the Titanic story. The props and sets were quite amazing, and really looked impressive, even in black and white. It was clear that they had put a lot of effort and money into making the interior of the Titanic come to life.

    Something that was a bit annoying about the movie was the German language. Not that I mind the language in itself, but it was just odd to have native English speaking characters in the storyline speak German. But if you can look past that, then this "Titanic" movie as quite good.

    My rating of "Titanic" lands on a six out of ten stars.
    bkoganbing

    Gilding The Propaganda Lily

    Titanic must have been the great cause for discussion at the Propaganda Ministry in 1943. Ostensibly put out to show the kind of materialistic greedy people the Germans were fighting back then, it seems as though Joseph Goebbels felt the wrong message might still go out. The original director, Herbert Spelvin, was arrested mid production by the Gestapo and found hanging in his cell the next day. Of course suicide was the official reason given and ostensibly Goebbels was mighty put out about the scenes of panic shown on film. Yet there are certainly enough of them left in the product I saw.

    What's showed here is nothing new. But that's the difference between a free society and Nazi Germany. The story has been told a whole lot in both British and American productions. What the Nazis did in this film was to create a wholly fictional second officer named Peterson who serves as the voice of conscience in the film. The villain of course is Ismay the head of the British White Star Line who is looking for the stock in White Star to go up if the much ballyhooed Titanic makes a record crossing in its maiden voyage. Peterson as portrayed by Hans Nielsson is as Aryan as they come, while Ismay looks vaguely like those people we're eliminating as played by E.F.Fuhwanger.

    John Jacob Astor is here to represent American capitalism. Such folks as Captain Harry Guggenheim and Mr.&Mrs. Isidor Straus who died in the sinking are eliminated from the story. So is the plucky Denver millionairess Molly Brown.

    For a movie that's supposed to show and criticize the British class distinction, very little time is spent on the huddled masses in steerage who were the bulk of the people killed. James Cameron in the recent Titanic with Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet spent more time with them than this production.

    I do however wish that more films of the Nazi era would become available now to view and study. If this one is available on DVD and VHS than this must be mild as compared to others.
    7dbborroughs

    Despite the anti-wealth propaganda this is a good movie

    This is Titanic as you've probably never seen it before. One would think it was more a communist propaganda film than a Nazi one, since all of the villains of the piece are the rich while the poor workers are the heroes. Its a film that has a definite point of view, and right or wrong, is certainly one that keeps things interesting to watch.

    Centering on the rich owners of the White Star Line and the rich passengers on the ship, this film is in large part about how the greed of the rich led to the destruction of "society". A large portion of the early part of this film has to do with manipulating stock before the Titanic breaks a speed record allowing the owners to get even richer. The plan seems to backfire and as the rich try to pick up the pieces the ship hits an iceberg. There are also several other story lines running through this film, including a healthy dose of romance, so don't think its all business.

    While some of the interior model shots of the sinking are obviously models, the scenes of panic and the real human drama makes this a film to watch. Its understandable why the Nazi's banned this film as upsetting, these people are in panic mode. I read somewhere that this film showed the ship breaking in half. Kino's DVD doesn't appear to show that, although the final slide under the waves is really too dark to see.

    While not a perfect film its a good one. Certainly its one with enough talking points that you could very well talk about the film on every level for many hours after its finished running. Frankly There is so much to discuss that I'm having a hard time keeping this entry brief.

    If you love film, if you love Titanic stories, if you love seeing something different then see this movie.

    7 out of 10, but you'll be talking about so much more than most other movies you've seen in years.

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    • Curiosidades
      Director Herbert Selpin was arrested by the Gestapo during this film's production. He was found hanged in his cell the following day.
    • Erros de gravação
      It is stated in the movie that the Titanic was the fastest liner in the world, and that she was traveling at 26 1/2 knots near the beginning of the voyage. The Titanic could only travel at 23 knots, and she never traveled at her top speed before her sinking. Besides this, the RMS Mauretania was capable of 27 knots, so 26 1/2 wouldn't have been enough to beat her.
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      1st Officer Petersen: [enters a room]

      Gloria: [behind a curtain] Is anybody there?

      1st Officer Petersen: Yes, Petersen. Please put on your life jackets and go on deck immediately.

      Gloria: Oh deck? Why?

      1st Officer Petersen: I'm not authorized to give passangers audditional information.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: [comes behind the curtain] One moment. But you will give ME information.

      1st Officer Petersen: To you, as the president responsible for this, I WILL give information: The Titanic is sinking.

      Gloria: The Titanic is sinking?

      Sir Bruce Ismay: What are you saying?

      1st Officer Petersen: The Titanic is sinking.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: [laughs]

      1st Officer Petersen: We collidition with an iceberg. The Titanic is ripped open from the bow till under the bridge.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: Don't tell nonsense.

      1st Officer Petersen: You'll soon see, thatever it's nonsense. In jsut a few hours it's all over and a few thousand will be on the bottom because of you

      Gloria: But we have lifeboats.

      1st Officer Petersen: The lifeboats will hold almost a third of the passengers.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: I order you to secure a lifeboat for me immediately.

      1st Officer Petersen: First: You can't give me orders, Second: according to the law: women and children go first and third I'll give you the advice to go in you cabin and get your life jacket

      [about to leave the room]

      1st Officer Petersen: .

      Sir Bruce Ismay: Stay here!

      1st Officer Petersen: What else do you want?

      Sir Bruce Ismay: Please lets talk as man to man. Forget about the earlier momant this evening. I was nervous it was a momental excitement. I beg you: get me a lifeboat.

      1st Officer Petersen: YOU should have been got the lifeboats.

      Sir Bruce Ismay: No. Be reasonable. I'll give you five - I'll give you $10 000,-. Save me a place.

      1st Officer Petersen: [pushs Ismay away and leaves]

      Sir Bruce Ismay: We'll see if I'll come along.

    • Versões alternativas
      The Allied approved censored version ran 80 minutes and omitted two scenes; one where the British officers make snide comments about Petersen's presence on board the "Titanic" and, more substantially, the entire epilogue where Officer Petersen condemns Bruce Ismay's actions during the inquiry into the sinking. The final inter-title that blames the disaster on British capitalism was also removed.
    • Conexões
      Edited into Screen Directors Playhouse: The Titanic Incident (1955)
    • Trilhas sonoras
      God Save The King
      (uncredited)

      Traditional, often attributed to Thomas Augustine Arne or Henry Carey

      (British national anthem)

      played at the first dinner

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