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Adicionar um enredo no seu idiomaThe Archer Gang are back and doing a daring heist in London. Remanded in prison, they will try to break out their old friend Briggs.The Archer Gang are back and doing a daring heist in London. Remanded in prison, they will try to break out their old friend Briggs.The Archer Gang are back and doing a daring heist in London. Remanded in prison, they will try to break out their old friend Briggs.
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Sequel to the 2014 We Still Kill the Old Way, the majority of the original cast return for a superior outing.
This time the Archer gang are up for a prison escape, but can the old timers still do it using the "Old ways"?
Truth be told I had a great appreciation for the first film despite only hitting it with a 5/10. It was very well made but the realism and subject matter made me a tad uncomfortable and it damaged the film for me. This time around most of that subject matter is absent and with the same cast and fantastic writing it was logically bound to be better.
Sadly also absent is James Cosmo who played Arthur in the first film, he was a great character and he was missed. Thankfully the remaining cast are present and do a fantastic job without him as well as the new villian Billy Murray and fellow industry veteran Patrick Burgin.
A third movie has been announced but the more I look into it the more I get the impression its been cancelled or at best delayed. I'd love to see this rounded out into a trilogy because regardless of my opinions on the first film they're very well made movies.
The Good:
Well put together
Solid cast
The Bad:
Violence looks oddly tame in places
No James Cosmo
Things I Learnt From This Movie:
America is no longer the home of the free and the brave.............actually I already knew that one
This time the Archer gang are up for a prison escape, but can the old timers still do it using the "Old ways"?
Truth be told I had a great appreciation for the first film despite only hitting it with a 5/10. It was very well made but the realism and subject matter made me a tad uncomfortable and it damaged the film for me. This time around most of that subject matter is absent and with the same cast and fantastic writing it was logically bound to be better.
Sadly also absent is James Cosmo who played Arthur in the first film, he was a great character and he was missed. Thankfully the remaining cast are present and do a fantastic job without him as well as the new villian Billy Murray and fellow industry veteran Patrick Burgin.
A third movie has been announced but the more I look into it the more I get the impression its been cancelled or at best delayed. I'd love to see this rounded out into a trilogy because regardless of my opinions on the first film they're very well made movies.
The Good:
Well put together
Solid cast
The Bad:
Violence looks oddly tame in places
No James Cosmo
Things I Learnt From This Movie:
America is no longer the home of the free and the brave.............actually I already knew that one
I absolutely loved the first movie, We Still Kill The Old Way. I caught it by chance last week whilst staying in a hotel, never heard of it before, but for some reason it drew me in with it's old school teach-the-kids-a-lesson tip of the cap to Lock Stock and Reservoir Dogs feel. I loved that so much that I went and looked it up and found there was a second film, couldn't wait to get it on! After an hour, couldn't wait to get it off! I couldn't finish it, seriously I turned it off 20 minutes before the end. The acting is terrible, the plot has nothing to do with stealing anything... I thought this would be an Oceans 11 type of a deal but nope, it's based around a prison break! The story is packed full of cringey lines trying too hard to make you care about the characters and their past but it just fails with half assed lines like "remember how we did this and remember you did that" so much it becomes distracting. If this was animated it would be like a scooby doo cartoon at times. I'm genuinely sad at how bad this was after being so pulled in by the first film. Shame. The idea of old retired gangsters coming back to mop up the scroats of today had some top potential, but its squandered over here.
I'm not one to usually review a movie on here, even if bad. This movie had me going as I love heist movies or anything to do with robbing in general. This movie is incredibly slow paced, and could have been made into a good movie. It's really tough to watch, and by the end you do feel as though you just eagerly wasted two hour's of your life. I waited for the good ending and it never came. I'm curious how "Going in Style" is though as I think it'll make up for watching this junk.
The only reason I can muster as to why I put myself through the at times excruciatingly cringe-worthy plot devices and acting of this badly cobbled together and cliched East-Ender gangster movie, is the fact that I respect the seniority and skill of some of the more well-known actors who bizarrely and for reasons only known to them, graced this flick.
Also the fact that I'd allowed for the prequel to this one pass in front of my eyes and thought I'd torture myself just a little further as I've just realised I must be a sucker for punishment.
I would like to add that I'm not undermining in any way the effort, money and commitment it must take from all parties involved for any given film project to get off the ground but I am a firm supporter of the idea that if you're gonna do something, for pete's sake do it proper and at least use the real 'One Million Years B.C.' poster featuring the jaw-droppingly stunning Raquel Welch!
Truth be told, I had very mixed feelings about 2014's 'We still kill the old way.' The concept was great and it boasted a swell cast, but the writing was uneven, and the energy and impact it should have had just wasn't there. Far be it from me to say "never again," though; I'll watch just about anything, and with a sequel to follow, well, it was all but inevitable I'd watch it eventually. No sooner has 'We still steal the old way' begun than it starts to form certain impressions. The core cast returns, with Lysette Anthony also reprising her supporting part, all to my delight. Filmmaker Sacha Bennett and his collaborators illustrate fine capability and finesse in all the fundamentals: direction, cinematography, lighting, editing, effects, production design, art direction, costume design, and so on and so on. There's some wit and charm in the dialogue and scene writing. And there's also this: this 2016 feature also readily recalls the modern 'Ocean's' heist flicks, socially minded crime flicks like 'Going in style' or 'Golden years,' or like TV series like 'Leverage,' and so on and so on.
All this seems well and good on paper; in practice, it immediately comes across as Too Much. It is especially Too Much in light of plot, and plot development, that feels emphatically forced and downright scrambled, as though Bennett and his co-writers were wracked to pull something together. My favor is not bolstered by the juxtaposition of the anticipated class and cleverness with crudeness and chewing of scenery; some beats are decidedly rushed as they present. The picture also seems too smart and snappy for its own good, an all too familiar difficulty of style over substance in pretty much every regard. That's not to say that it's not made well, that there aren't good ideas, or that it's not entertaining. I admit I'm partial to Anthony, owing to her part in one of my personal favorite movies ('Krull'); of the feature itself, I think my favorite aspect may be the portrayal of the continuation of underworld powerplays and dynamics within the institutional setting. I do, in fact, like 'We still steal the old way.' Is it anything that anyone specifically needs to see? Maybe not so much.
I've been awfully critical of the picture up to this point, and that's not entirely fair. While I think it's overly slick, it's crafted well such as it is, with every component part having received great attention. It may be overdone, but Bennett is no slouch. The cast make the most of what they're given to work with. There's intelligence underlying all the construction here - would only that there were more care to let it be more impactful, more meaningful, more of its own self, or to just simply Be. Like its predecessor, 'We still steal the old way' struggles to make itself truly be felt, even in its moments of the most violence, dark story beats, or cheeky levity, and that's as much due to a lack of vibrancy as to its overbearing tack of fashion over function, sometimes overcooked indulgence over storytelling judiciousness. For that matter, it struggles with an uneven tone, and when one stops to consider The Plan as it is presented to us, it seems all too neat and clean, an invention of Movie Magic.
When all is said and done I think 'We still steal the old way' is pretty much on par with 'We still kill the old way,' but that sadly is not much of a compliment. Yes, there is entertainment value here, but it's the type to engage with passively, without thinking about very much; the more you do, the less esteem it can sustain. Is this enough? I suppose that's for each person to decide on their own. For my part I don't regret watching this, but I still think my time would have probably been better spent on something else. Oh well. Leave it for a lazy day when you're bored and don't want to totally get invested in something; there are worse ways to spend your time.
All this seems well and good on paper; in practice, it immediately comes across as Too Much. It is especially Too Much in light of plot, and plot development, that feels emphatically forced and downright scrambled, as though Bennett and his co-writers were wracked to pull something together. My favor is not bolstered by the juxtaposition of the anticipated class and cleverness with crudeness and chewing of scenery; some beats are decidedly rushed as they present. The picture also seems too smart and snappy for its own good, an all too familiar difficulty of style over substance in pretty much every regard. That's not to say that it's not made well, that there aren't good ideas, or that it's not entertaining. I admit I'm partial to Anthony, owing to her part in one of my personal favorite movies ('Krull'); of the feature itself, I think my favorite aspect may be the portrayal of the continuation of underworld powerplays and dynamics within the institutional setting. I do, in fact, like 'We still steal the old way.' Is it anything that anyone specifically needs to see? Maybe not so much.
I've been awfully critical of the picture up to this point, and that's not entirely fair. While I think it's overly slick, it's crafted well such as it is, with every component part having received great attention. It may be overdone, but Bennett is no slouch. The cast make the most of what they're given to work with. There's intelligence underlying all the construction here - would only that there were more care to let it be more impactful, more meaningful, more of its own self, or to just simply Be. Like its predecessor, 'We still steal the old way' struggles to make itself truly be felt, even in its moments of the most violence, dark story beats, or cheeky levity, and that's as much due to a lack of vibrancy as to its overbearing tack of fashion over function, sometimes overcooked indulgence over storytelling judiciousness. For that matter, it struggles with an uneven tone, and when one stops to consider The Plan as it is presented to us, it seems all too neat and clean, an invention of Movie Magic.
When all is said and done I think 'We still steal the old way' is pretty much on par with 'We still kill the old way,' but that sadly is not much of a compliment. Yes, there is entertainment value here, but it's the type to engage with passively, without thinking about very much; the more you do, the less esteem it can sustain. Is this enough? I suppose that's for each person to decide on their own. For my part I don't regret watching this, but I still think my time would have probably been better spent on something else. Oh well. Leave it for a lazy day when you're bored and don't want to totally get invested in something; there are worse ways to spend your time.
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