10,000 Saints

Reviewers keep complaining about the drug use, sex, and irresponsible parents. Umm, that HAPPENS. In real life. More than you realize. I found the acting very well done, yet, the characters, or writing, was... uneven. On one hand, neither the characters nor the plot goes in any direction you think it is going, which most viewers tend to love. However, the setups, swerves and everything we learn is all for nothing, since.. neither the characters nor the plot goes in any direction even hinted at. Characters can spend the first 2/3 of the film complaining about the same thing (adults pushing what they want instead of what the teen wants), make multiple huge dramatic deals about it, then inexplicably change mind to agree with them, from no motivation whatsoever. There are also a couple subtle hints concerning one particular relationship, but everything else heard and done contradicts what happens or what we assume is happening. I really liked most of this film, and WANTED to like the rest but maybe it tried too hard to defy our expectations without earning it or trying. {It would be like watching a film about an interesting Christian Kansas farmer who takes classes in law school then decides to become an Atheist surfer with no reason for any of those out of nowhere decisions other than "just because the character decides to out of the blue".} Instead of "surprising" by being different, it was confusingly frustrating to watch this pointless journey. Still not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing in this mostly unoriginal Hollywood blockbuster era.

I wound up liking this a lot more than I thought I would. For the first 20 minutes or so I felt it dragged but then picked up. Overall I thought the acting was excellent, especially Ethan Hawke who played his somewhat complex character splendidly. What I really liked was that most of the characters stepped outside of stereotypical bounds. Hawke's character was a stoner, but in some ways level-headed and responsible. Johnny, the punk singer and tattoo artist, was trying to stay straight and walk the spiritual path and succeeded reasonably well. I read other comments which complained that "nothing happened" in the film. This is not an action film; it's a relationship movie, and given that, I believe it worked well. Plus, the characters all showed some degree of evolution. The scenery, with 1980's East Village was done really well too, very realistic, Twin Towers and all.

I really enjoyed this movie, yes pretty much everyone in it is screwed up but it's also very realistic. Their depiction of bored boys in Vermont in the 1980s is dead on. What happens after is very interesting with the East Village, CBGBs and the relationships and how they progress. I recommend this movie and had no problem "figuring out" who was adopted etc. Then again, I like movies that don't spoon feed everything.

I'm suppose to write 10 lines of text but don't want to include any spoilers. All the actors did a great job, especially Ethan Hawke and I love seeing Julianne Nicholson again in a movie. She is such a natural actress. I wasn't big on the actress who played the rich New York mother, however.

Another movie that makes you think humanity has no hope. Broken kids, broken parents, broken ideals. The movie takes place in the eighties and I remember the time well. So, yes, a lot of us were screwed up but this is just hopelessness incarnate. I did not like any of the characters as dysfunction seemed to be the running theme with everyone. I would suggest finding a better coming of age movie to watch as there are many good ones out there. I gave this an extra star for the very brief inclusion of CBGB's, it was the highlight of the movie. The rest was just so depressing it made me want to embrace traditional conservative values for the sake of humanity. Maybe I am getting wiser in my old age. . who knows?

Hailee Steinfeld is very good as Eliza. In her early scenes she starts out as confident, sarcastic and likeable. Then she gets serious, then she is terrified. Eliza goes through many emotions through the course of the movie, and she has many decisions to make about her life.

Teddy is a likable character but we don't get to see much of him. Avian Jogia does a good job.

Les is a cool dad, which means he doesn't always do things the way good parents should. He's not a good influence but he and his son get along really well. It's a fine performance by Ethan Hawke.

Most of the major actors do a good job.

At one point, Eliza moves in with Harriet, which is surprisingly pleasant. Harriet also has a better than expected relationship with Diane, though when they first meet, it is quite satisfying for those who recall how the movie began.

Religion is a topic mentioned several times. Eliza had a bat mitzvah but she and her mother don't seem all that religious. There is a funeral where the scripture reading mentions "10,000 saints". There is also a scene with dancers in beautifully colored costumes where the music seems Middle Eastern or South Asian; Hare Krishnas are mentioned.

There are many questions of morality, and disputes with yuppies who want to move into the rundown neighborhood where most of the characters live. Mostly we see the protesters; if there were yuppies I don't recall them. And there are effective otherworldly scenes where one or more characters used something and we kind of see things as they would have.

Every mention of a word for any drug has been removed in the edited-for-TV version of the movie, with the sound going out and the character's mouth is blurred, and every drug is blurry. The same thing happens with numerous words, some of which might normally be allowed on broadcast TV, but someone must have been overly cautious.

The listings showed this as "comedy, drama, music". I really don't understand this. There are a few funny scenes but comedy shouldn't be listed first.

As for music, there's not much for someone with my musical taste. Most of the music is some form of rock, including softer artists that sound like Sting that don't appeal to me personally. There is also "music" that sounds like 90s grunge except it's just noise and not whatever appealed to those who liked the music in Seattle. My perception is that a lot of the softer music is good quality, but just not what I care for. I liked one song, "I Can't Wait" by Nu Shooz, which isn't typical of my taste but has some sort of appeal for me.

It's a really good movie if it's your taste. It's just not mine.