The Forever Prisoner

I have always had a skewed view of the CIA and FBI. After all they Coined the term conspiracy theory to throw people of the scent of what was actually going on. This is even more eye opening of the horrors that the powers that be will goto to get what they want. It is a total abuse of power. A total lack of restraint . Its sadly nothing new though. MK ultra is another perfect example of the CIA going to far. What gives them the right to be able to do this to people is beyond me. I am under no illusion techniques like this are being used still as the US government will go to any ends necessary to get what they want. Even worse they seem proud of it! Terrifying and barbaric.

The facts of this have been presented elsewhere so it's not breaking news, but is still a compelling two hour view. One fact however, which might have been overly simplified, was fascinating. The "expert" psychologist who failed to understand that torture is about manipulation, not an easy path to truth, was himself so easily manipulated. When repeatedly told the hypothetical "what if there's another 9/11 and you didn't do all you could?" he went on the warpath, willing to do anything heinous. It says alot about him, not doing any due diligence or honest evaluation of his work which failed compared to normal relationship-building techniques. The initial methods of interrogation were bad enough, and what any normal person would consider torture...the "enhanced" interrogation was of course torture. Or what the psychologist called "temporary discomfort." Like Rumsfeld comparing his not sitting at his desk to prisoners being made to stand. They needed to minimize and dismiss torture because of their guilt. They knew it was indefensible for any reason, even national security, and was just a form of revenge.

Half of americans think torture is okay. Is this for real????

I actually can not believe what have I just seen and heard.

You - Americans, have a big big big problem!!! And it's just getting worse!!!!

The filmmaker did an incredible job scoring interviews with people involved in the torture of a detainee in the frenetic post 9/11 world. A substantial majority of Americans had believed we were above this activity, and also that it didn't work, since people will tell you anything they think you want to hear when you inflict enough pain.

A perpetually smiley Ali Soufan gushes about questioning prisoner Abu Zubaydah , yet makes sure he emphasis that "he would nut interview him naked, he would nut go in"... I don't know why he was so determined that we know this, when the man had been hung by his arms, waterboarded, sleep deprived with screaming music , froze, and had multiple other horrid things done to him that sounded like torture . It reminded me of when John Wayne Gacy had killed like 35 dudes yet when interviewed he kept adamantly exclaiming that "he wasn't gay".

They had a psychologist named Mitchell with no experience interrogating writing up basically torture techniques for interrogation. I am amazed they got him to talk about it on camera . They should have taken a tip from physicians and not to let psychologists do to much damage by limiting them to talk therapy only , they are not allowed to prescribe drugs , they shouldn't be allowed to prescribe so called "interrogations ".

This was well made but the content made me less proud of my country than I was before. Well made, but it made me too depressed to give it more than an ambivalent score.

This is an important film as it goes inside the actual behavior of what happens during these types of incarceration. Think of it more as a docudrama. The actins is good and there is a high degree of tension. It's not an easy film to watch.