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I caught this film on SciFi Channel at midnight one evening. After a good meal, sitting in a relaxing chair, you're liable to watch just about anything. Which is why I didn't immediately turn it off once I spotted the incredibly horrible visual effects at the beginning which just smacked of god-awful Direct-to-Video cinema. That being said, I was pleasantly surprised by the rest of the film.

The key to enjoying this film is to suspend disbelief. Pretend that you're looking at the German countryside, not some foothills in the LA area shot through a Sepia filter. Pretend that a Chinese man dressed in a business suit in the 1800s wouldn't arouse a lot of suspicion. Above all, pretend some of the more horrible special effects don't look as bad as they do. Once you've done that, you'll enjoy the film a lot more.

The performances by most of the cast are neither outstanding nor bad, save for Thomas Ian Griffith, who makes an incredibly good villain in this film. The plot of the film is almost secondary and unnecessary, chock full of plot holes and serving only as a backdrop against which to set fight scenes and excuses to change the era. But if you went into this movie expecting something scientifically sound, just stop; remember that this is the sequel to a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie.

Were a few things changed in this movie, specifically some of the horrid "special" effects, two or three of the more illogical and confusing points of the plot, the cheesy Direct-to-Video style overlays for the credits, and most importantly the unbearably long final 10 minutes of the film, it could have been worthy of a cinema release.

Final verdict: 5/10. It's worth watching if it happens to be on, or worth buying if you spy the DVD for cheap. Really cheap.

the movie it self is not much but although is a pleasure to watch it because it's that kind of relaxing movies. Still i recognize that i haven't seen the first part so it might be boring for the viewers of the complete series, i don't know that. Have you ever wondered if you have the power to go back in time knowing your past world history what would it be if you change it acccording to your good-right moral sistem, would it really be in for a better world? what if hitler would never existed, what if something have had worked in other way that you really knew but if someone had changed before you have ever been born, how can you know that it was the other way around, It's a puzzle allright but a nice one. Only they know the real truth, only they are allowed to travel through time to put history on the natural course, to be sure that what time sealed by its passing would stay the same. It's a lousy job because only them know if they failed or suceeded because they are the only ones that can see the history changes.The time cops are the ones you owe your present life because they defend it by defending the lives of your ancestors. My advice:see the movie cause it will be a pretty nice experience. And if after you saw it you will begin to wonder, let's be realistic:nobody can travel through time!:))

I thought this film was pretty good, considering a sequel to a movie like Timecop tends to be destined as a flop. Jamie Scott Lee's performance is great as usual, portraying Anderson as someone trying his best to hold himself together.

Support performances were also above the standard you might expect and while the fight scenes are not spectacular, but they are certainly more than competent. The music grounds well with the film, especially at the climax of the last fight scene...

I found it confusing at one point as to what exactly what Miller (the antagonist) had been doing as Anderson burst back and forth through time trying to track him down, with each return highlighting the consequences of his actions. But these scenes moved a bit too fast for me to catch up, so had to watch a few times... maybe I'm a dumbass, or maybe the pace was too quick considering the subject!

Overall I found this film well paced and I liked the idea of the Society for Historical Authenticity being competition to the TEC. The moral aspects of time travel were touched on nicely enough to make you think, but not too much to tease you and leave you feeling unresolved in much of the theorising unlike Matrix Reloaded.

I rate this perhaps a little higher due to 1 - Jamie Scott Lee's great performance, and 2 - The fact films like these tend to be a whole world worse than the original!

Those who like the kind of action presented here will be satisfied. For viewers who drive more on the scifi track, the film is very disappointing and fans of the first part are also welcome to ask themselves how this film could happen.

Sorry but this was a major let down. I watched it based on other reviews and thought it was going to compare to the Jean Claud van damn first film, which it really didn't. Jason Scott Lee still seems to be acting as Bruce Lee with a set of half a dozen moves. But the main problem with the film was that the storyline was just too messy. Little if any of it made any sense. Why go back to 1940, a year after the war started to try and stop it? And why did JSL feel it was necessary to stop the killing or Hitler? Shooting the girl made no sense as he could have gone back before this time and prevented the shooting of Hitler that way. The Jean Claud Van damn film was full of suspense and intrigue. This one was like a child's version.

This is a job well done with a small budget. The CGI made us almost queasy for a while; time travelling generates lots of SFX :)

Lots of kung-fu style action in a SF movie with a not too complex script: Save the present by travelling to the past and stop the bad guys from messing up the to be time line while dodging bullets and other weapons. The soundtrack is really cool and fits the movie.

Amusing if you are into kung fu and science fiction-if not don't watch it. We liked it 7/10

This is pretty much the first Jason Scott Lee film I've seen. I say pretty much, because I have also seen Soldier, in which he plays the villain... but from what I've heard, it's not considered a Jason Scott Lee film. This, however, is. And if this is any indication of the quality of such films, I won't be seeing any of the others. Lee is basically passable as a martial arts artist... as the lead, he's awful. He gets in a fight with random no-name characters every few minutes of the film, probably because the script writer couldn't figure out how else to stretch out the film to the minimum required running time for a feature film. The villain is the only character with even a hint of personality, and aside from the fact that he's certifiably insane, he barely seems like a villain at all. The majority of the film is basically Lee chasing the villain through time... or maybe it's the other way around. I can't say for sure... and I definitely wouldn't watch it again to make sure. The effects are not completely horrible... but it's close. The title comes from the popular idea of using a time-machine to go and kill Hitler. Somehow, the film screws up that interesting idea as well. The plot is too complicated for its own good. The pacing is poor. I can't think of one positive thing to say about this film... I really can't. It's simply too formulaic and pointless. If only I had a time-machine, so I could go back and prevent this film from ever being made... no, never mind. I just hope as few fragile minds are exposed to this as possible. Listen to the negative reviewers. Avoid this turkey. I recommend this to fans of Lee, and no one else. If you're looking for a quality film... well, this isn't it. That's for sure. 1/10

Traveling back from the year 2025, maverick timecop Jason Scott Lee (as Ryan Chan) manipulates the assassination of Adolf Hitler. Nice going, but wait. As any time traveler knows, changing history isn't always a good thing, because altering events inevitably leads to unexpectedly more dire consequences - that is, if the past can be altered at all, and herein it is possible. So, time thief Thomas Ian Griffith (as Brandon Miller) decides to attack the timecops by preventing their lineages, thus taking control of time. People in the future disappear and others are altered as Mr. Lee tries to catch Mr. Miller in the time-stream. And it gets personal. Good story, but it breaks its own rules and doesn't fit martial arts in very logically.

**** Timecop 2/ The Berlin Decision (9/30/03) Stephen Boyum ~ Jason Scott Lee, Thomas Ian Griffith, Mary Page Keller, John Beck

I'm shocked. Until Timecop 2, I don't think I had ever seen a cheap, direct-to-video sequel that was actually good and possibly even better than its theatrical predecessor! And it's not just because of the action either - the best thing about the film is its story. It's handled with EXQUISITE pacing. On the one hand, the hero played by Jason Scott Lee is constantly jumping from time period to time period, so there's always some action or intrigue going on. But amazingly, at the same time, the filmmakers manage to acknowledge all of the great moral or ethical dilemmas that a time altering premise provides. It's thought-provoking and even a little emotional. Basically, the film is stuffed with great ideas, good acting, and decent action scenes.

The only way Timecop 2 suffers in comparison to the first is in the cinematography. Whereas the first film had fantastically moody photography, the sequel looks like an above average television film. It has a too "clean" look to it. It isn't horrible, but it's not very cinematic either. In terms of action, the film is exceptional at demonstrating fast, brutal Jeet Kune Do moves. I guess Jason Scott Lee has still been practicing since he did Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story all of those years ago.

Bottom-line, give Timecop 2 a try. It's far better than it has any right to be.

This is a good Science-Fiction movie with some karate moves. Probably Jean-Claude Van Damme might have been the right actor to play the second part of Timecop. I wish you a nice watch.

Jason Lee's pecks are back! If that's what you are looking for, look no further. If not, better move on...

But about the movie. Clichés galore, some poorly shot but kinda exotic fight scenes (used JKD) and lots of bad acting & cheap effects. Poor Lee looks like he's in pain throughout the movie, and no wonder. Not a pleasant comeback.

The movie doesn't even cut it as a B-movie - sure, there was a Germanish bleached blonde Rutger-wannabe bad guy, but no gratuitous sex scene or even a single booty shots. None. Zip. Nada. Even in Starship Troopers 2 they had the common sense to include the mandatory nudie scenes (as for rest of my comments on that excellent piece of classic cinema excellence, please refer to our upcoming review on that mind-blowing sequel...). I did get the feeling that the writer was taking his revenge on somebody with this - thus I won't get into the "plot" of the movie or pretty much anything else related. Except that it did have some non-heterosexual overtones, so 'nuff said.

However, this movie has one thing going for it - no Jean-Claude :)

Though it doesn't have the big budget of the original TIMECOP, this sequel makes up for that with a more enjoyable, more involving plot. It's also better at exploring the concept of a future where time travel is possible, with organizations set up to make sure that the past remains correct. There's also a blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance by Hong Kong movie 'Gwailo' Steve (OPERATION CONDOR, LETHAL PANTHER) Tartalia as a Nazi soldier.

I gave Timecop a perfect 10, I gave this 1

It's story is very boring, and it has only little to do with the original Timecop. Lots of things from Timecop was scrapped, and they put in new stupid stuff instead. This story is taking place in 2060 (if I remember correctly), but for some reason the timetraveling is now more dangerous :confused:

And the action scenes are nothing to be happy about, well most of them aren't... only the first one is great... and there aren't many action scenes at all, and they're all pretty short

At one point in the story, the main character travels through time about 5 times within a few minutes... no wait, make that two times...



In short: Don't waste time watching this movie, it's not worth it

since this is part 2, then compering it to part one...

man that was on many places wierd... too many time jumps etc.

I have to say that I was really disapointed...

only someplaces little lame action... and thats it....

they could have done that better....

OK, it's obvious that this isn't a great "Direct-to video & Sci-Fi Channel" Flick. I've always enjoyed watching Time Travel movies (even bad ones), and this one was unfortunately not one of the better ones.

What's good about it? It was definitely nice to watch a lead character who is Asian-American. While this may sound odd to most, there aren't that many films out there that have an Asian-American lead. Of course the filmmakers just *had* to have him know Kung-Fu, but still, if you've got Jason Scott Lee as your lead, why not? Jason Scott Lee does indeed shine in this movie, especially considering what he's been given to work with in terms of plot.

What's not so good about this movie? Just about everything else. The Visual Effects were below par (even the TV Show from the late 90's had better effects), and the story was not very exciting. There is a cliché with Time Travel stories that everything "turns out OK" at the end...as if none of the previous events ever occurred. We need to get away from that. It's trite.

What's absurd about this movie? The ending epilogue. I'm not sure of the *exact* term that it's called, but you know..when they show clips of a character, then pause the image and give you a paragraph below it about what happened to them after the movie is over. This one takes just about *every* character in the movie and gives them a paragraph (sometimes even more). It just keeps going and going. And they even had a misspelling ("...demons of his conscience drove Knight to *from* -- should be *form* -- his own gang..."). At any rate, it became so laughable that I decided it would be a great drinking game (take a shot every time a character gets a "paragraph resolution" at the ending).

Cheers for a movie with an Asian-American lead. Cheers to Jason Scott Lee for giving an exciting and credible performance in a really bad movie. Jeers to just about everything else in this film.

A lot better than the first actually. You know, if TEC actually did exist, they'd have to be guarding Hitler around the clock I'm sure, he'd be a pretty popular target for rogue time travelers. No wonder he was so paranoid... By the way I find it amusing that although Hitler was very obviously portrayed, all the characters never mention him by name, ever. Remnids me of that Justice League episode...

Anyway, for some odd reason time travel is actually more dangerous than it was in the first movie, with risks to cellualar stability and all, although only one person dies as a result of this. I can olny imagine this was supposed to make the time jumps more dramatic having that risk, but really seems kind of pointless to me.

Is unique in that the main antagonist is someone who wants to change history for the better rahter than just get short term gains from it like in the first. However how that philosophy ties into preventing the existance of every TEC agent is beyond me... all that seems more tying into avenging his wife's death than his orginal mission.

As the villain tries to prevent the existance of Chan, you see a pretty big logical flaw in his initial target... Now I suppose the chinese guy you see in 1881 Texas is more logically Chan's ancestor than Jason Anderson, who actually is. However, the only reason he knew to go back there is the genealogical database that named the time and place AND NAME of the ancestor, and I serouisly doubt one would think that chinese guy was someone named ANDERSON. If he though it was, he's an idiot, and if he didn't, than he killed somoene just for the heck of it, which kind of contradicts his altruistic intent of changing histroy for the better.

Another logical flaw is his jump to the dance hall in 1988... I seriously doubt the genealgical database specifically pointed out specifically when and where Chan's parents would be dancing... logically it would make more sense to attack them at their wedding, or their home, or something of that nature. It must be a very detailed database to point out their attendance at that dance... I don't know, maybe that's where they met or something, but seems a rather personal fact to be put into a database that's just supposed to be describing ancestry of TEC agents. Though watching Chan's reaction to seeing his parents dancing to 80's music is solid gold, still can;t stop laughing at that. That almost ranks up there with catching your parents having sex, it really weirds you out to see your parents that way.

The final fight just seems silly... I think Jason Scott Lee forgot he wasn't playing Bruce Lee for a few minutes. Hope he doesn't get typecast because of that movie.

Overall a fairly decent ride, movie does flow well.

'Timecop 2: The Berlin Decision' was quickly forgotten, dismissed as a so-so dtv sequel back in it's day and maybe for good reason. However at least initially it shows lots of promise to measure up to the theme, ideas the original brought and maybe surpass them. A more serious tone, villain with more to his motivations other than greed, power and real emotions. Then it's all swept away by cliches, bad handling.

When power of time travel is deemed too risky to be guarded by the TEC alone the Society for Historical Authenticity is born. Up thru their ranks rises Brandon Miller (Thomas Ian Griffith) to become its head. In 40's Berlin TEC Agent Ryan Chang (Jason Scott Lee) successfully stops him from killing Hitler, but Miller's crusade is far from over. To finish his vision of righting humanity's wrongs, he'll go into the past erasing all TEC agents including Ryan from ever existing.

For what I'm sure was a project with a modest budget they at least try. A trip to Germany (per the title), but also America's 1800's, 1900's with the right looking wardrobe, landscapes. The age old question still here if time travel was real and you could go back and undo tragedies, stop people from dying senselessly at what cost would it be and is it morally right. Plus casting Lee, Griffith - two martial artists - ultimately makes sense with a fight finale. That's about where the goodness ends.

Time travel movies are always susceptible to paradoxes, leaps of logic, but the tale on hand is not it's strong suit. Why did he do this? Why not this instead? Plenty of scenes you'll roll your eyes at. Plus the movie is playing with a very loose set of rules. Ryan (Lee) goes back & forth as the baddies kill people, alter history and he's the only one unaffected remembering stuff ... and the ending? Not especially satisfying.

If 'Timecop 2: The Berlin Decision' couldn't be a solid sequel / b-movie, I wish it had been complete cheese. Throw care, emotions straight out the window. More bleached blonde hair for cast members, fun fisticuffs, gunplay etc. False hopes aside the start is stronger than the finish.

i like it. the best is that the actors are talking "german" in the original version. every time they open their mouth there is a great chance to fall off your chair laughing. if you are german :-)

the story was disregardable, the fighting scenes were a bit slow sometimes and the dialogues mostly b-movie. but it was fun watching. dont expect some philosophic stuff, its a comic-movie and it behaves this way.

gs Funny

When I read the reviews I was expecting something really awful and cheap, like some of the latest Segal movies (sorry to those of you who may have liked them). Actually, the storyline is well developed, no false over-dramatizing or similar flaws you may have in a martial art/sci-fi sequel. The cast is good and it is shot very well, regardless of the low budget. And you don't have to compare it to Timecop 1, this one has value of its own. 8/10 for me.

Van Damme's TIMECOP was a serviceable science fiction thriller that I personally found to be far from the star's best work – yet its legacy has proved surprisingly popular over the years, with first a TV series in the late '90s and then this low budgeted sequel. In this outing, Jason Scott Lee (DRAGON: THE BRUCE LEE STORY) takes over the role of the heroic timecop out to stop some nefarious bad guys meddling with time. Cheesy special effects, weak scripting and a distinct lack of originality are the order of the day, but in the end I found myself enjoying this film quite a bit. It's one of those tongue-in-cheek B-movies that never takes itself too seriously and delivers plenty of entertainment in the scant running time.

The lack of decent plotting is a real problem, but the film manages at least a couple of impressive set-pieces. One action highlight comes during a full-scale prison riot, featuring our hero kicking the ass of various hulking prisoners. The other is a more cerebral moment, a cleverly staged moment in which Lee discovers that history is repeatedly changing almost as he watches – yes, it's obvious, but done just so. The last half hour is busy setting up a final confrontation between Lee and Thomas Ian Griffith, here taking on bad guy duties after once making a few films of his own as hero (such as EXCESSIVE FORCE). I found the fight scenes in this film to be fun in a light-hearted, Jackie Chan style, while Lee's acting has improved greatly since he was in the likes of TALOS THE MUMMY. It ain't art, but for B-movie cheesiness it provides more than a few thrills.

First, before watching this movie you should be aware that it is "about" time travel...therefore there is bound to be some inconsistencies and paradox problems; and yes...the film does "bump" into some of these rather clumsily. If you are a movie viewer that demands perfect logic and continuity or a real "time travel" buff you will have to "let it go" for this film. Yes, this movie is ABOUT "time travel" but it is NOT a time travel movie (it is an "Action" movie).

Secondly; this is a sequel, and thefore presumes some previous knowledge of the basic premise; what a "timecop's" purpose is and some of the primary "paradox" problems as to what would happen (to the present / future) if you changed the past. I can say that this movie does try to follow most of the "rules" of time travel; as outlined in the "Star Trek" TV shows (a well known "standard" in science fiction circles).

The movie starts out posing the question; "should Hitler be assassinated" before he has time to put events into motion & "what would then happen if he was?". The viewer gets to see what happens when someone wants to try; and the Timecops have to stop it from happening (or DO they?). Viewers may also want to know that the "Timecop" story, about cops that monitor consistency & prevent history from being altered; was a comic book before it was a movie.

True; "time travel" movies must address such issues in a consistent & believable manner and in this regard the movie is somewhat disappointing. However as an "action" movie (that makes you "think") it generally succeeds.

In my opinion it is far better than the first "Timecop" movie starring Jean-Claude Van Damme (1994). Given the comic book / Van Damme history; the target audience for this movie is going to be action / martial art movie fans.

Jason Scott Lee (as hotshot Timecop Ryan Chan) does very well given the script & direction. Viewers may need to remind themselves that Lee is NOT related to Bruce Lee although he did play him in the movie "Dragon, the Bruce Lee Story" (1993). For that movie Lee was trained in Bruce Lee's "Jeet Kune Do" style of martial arts. So not only does he physically look like Bruce Lee, he also fights using the same "moves". Seeing this, I believe the director recognized that he would be unable to avoid the reference; so he "uses" it consciously. In one fight scene there is deliberate homage paid to Bruce Lee. Timecop Ryan Chan (after getting hit in a fight) gets "really mad" and takes off his shirt; flexing his muscles in the famous "Enter the Dragon" style. When you see this scene you will know why Jason Lee was picked to play Bruce in "The Dragon",..., and why the director (and likely the actor) must accept & work with the inevitable references. For martial arts fans there are some fairly good (albeit short)examples of "Jeet Kune Do" style hand-work,trapping, and a couple of Jeet Kune Do style limb traps / breaks. The martial arts kicks are all "movie" style & less than crisp.

Thomas Ian Griffith is quite good in the supporting role (even in the fight scenes); however the movie watcher doesn't really see his character's motivation until the end of the movie. The movie's script is what you would expect given the "Timecop" movie history & story genre (somewhat in the "comic-book" style); although I have the impression that Lee did quite a good job fleshing out his lines. Overall, the movie gets a bit muddled because of all the different time periods involved (the "period" costumes are made necessary, however, to separate and enforce the different time lines)and it is possible that the editing contributes to the confusion. Many of the fight scenes appear to be chopped or cut short (while the special effects scenes, although not over-done, are a tad long). I imagine the editor of this movie had a hard time keeping a cohesive story line and "flow" given the topic(s). There are a lot of things going on in this movie all at once; the good guy "chasing" the bad guy through different time periods, shifting realities due to the changing of past events, and even characters changing or existing / not existing depending on which "reality" you are watching. Not only does the bad guy want to kill Lee's character, he also has the option of going back to almost any time period and kill his parents, thus ending the Hero's family line. If that is possible then, can the Timecop kill the bad guy given what has already happened? You'll have to watch! In a similar movie's plot line, "Jet Li's - The One" (2001 - one of my favorite time-travel movies) these issues and paradox' are better addressed (however I had to watch that movie 4 or 5 times to understand all the nuances).

Although you probably won't want to watch "Timecop: The Berlin Decision" again and again; if you liked "Jet Li's - The One" you will probably enjoy this movie as well.