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Qui, à part nous

Titre original : Wer wenn nicht wir
  • 2011
  • 2h 4min
NOTE IMDb
6,3/10
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Qui, à part nous (2011)
Trailer for If Not Us, Who?
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueWest Germany, early 1960s. Star crossed lovers Bern and Gudrun begin a life long affair in the stifling atmosphere of provincial Germany. Setting out to challenge the establishment they beco... Tout lireWest Germany, early 1960s. Star crossed lovers Bern and Gudrun begin a life long affair in the stifling atmosphere of provincial Germany. Setting out to challenge the establishment they become part of the global uprising joining forces with leftist writers and political activists... Tout lireWest Germany, early 1960s. Star crossed lovers Bern and Gudrun begin a life long affair in the stifling atmosphere of provincial Germany. Setting out to challenge the establishment they become part of the global uprising joining forces with leftist writers and political activists. By the late 60s Gudrun has joined the gang lead by Andreas Baader and Ulrike Meinhof and... Tout lire

  • Réalisation
    • Andres Veiel
  • Scénario
    • Gerd Koenen
    • Andres Veiel
  • Casting principal
    • August Diehl
    • Lena Lauzemis
    • Alexander Fehling
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  • NOTE IMDb
    6,3/10
    1,3 k
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    • Réalisation
      • Andres Veiel
    • Scénario
      • Gerd Koenen
      • Andres Veiel
    • Casting principal
      • August Diehl
      • Lena Lauzemis
      • Alexander Fehling
    • 4avis d'utilisateurs
    • 44avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
    • Récompenses
      • 6 victoires et 8 nominations au total

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    August Diehl
    August Diehl
    • Bernward Vesper
    Lena Lauzemis
    Lena Lauzemis
    • Gudrun Ensslin
    Alexander Fehling
    Alexander Fehling
    • Andreas Baader
    Thomas Thieme
    • Willi Vesper - Vater
    Imogen Kogge
    • Rose Vesper - Mutter
    Michael Wittenborn
    Michael Wittenborn
    • Helmut Ensslin - Vater
    Susanne Lothar
    Susanne Lothar
    • Ilse Ensslin - Mutter
    Sebastian Blomberg
    Sebastian Blomberg
    • Klaus Roehler
    Vicky Krieps
    Vicky Krieps
    • Dörte
    Martin Butzke
    • Dieter Kunzelmann
    Christina Hecke
    Christina Hecke
    • Anne
    Maria Dragus
    Maria Dragus
    • Ruth Ensslin
    • (as Maria-Victoria Dragus)
    Rainer Bock
    Rainer Bock
    • Verteidiger
    Susanne-Marie Wrage
    Susanne-Marie Wrage
    • Gefängnisleiterin
    Benjamin Sadler
    Benjamin Sadler
    • Walter Jens
    Stephanie Stremler
    • Ulrike
    Peter Benedict
    • Verleger
    Kathrin Wehlisch
    • Ello
    • Réalisation
      • Andres Veiel
    • Scénario
      • Gerd Koenen
      • Andres Veiel
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    6OJT

    Debates where ideas for extremism and terrorism might come from

    This biographical film about the twin souls Bernward Vesper and Gudrun Enselin, the latter known from the terrorist groups Rote Arme Fraction and Baader-Meinhof, when she later on meets Andras Baader, gives a good explanation to what we might call deranged ideas.

    The introduction is when young Bernward just after the war experiences his Nazi father killing his beloved cat because it eats a baby bird fallen den from a nest, explaining it with that a cat is not natural to the birds, and that cats are the Jews of th animal world. Then the film jumps to his time at the inversion, where it's obvious that he is torn between his fathers influence and radical ideas. He meets up with Gudrun, which is equally disturbed, and we follow their collaboration in a publishing if controversial writers, and further on towards terrorist ideas.

    In between we get clips of news both from German politics as well as world politics with the Cuban crisis and killing of Kennedy and the Vietnam war, to place both the story in time and history, just done like in a couple of other well known German films. Though the quality if this clips are diverse, it helps in getting the history straight.

    It's a good periodical piece, based in the early sixties, down to silly hairstyles. Th film is well played, but I struggled in liking any of the characters, which I find quite necessary to really make a movie like this hit me. I don't know if these persons was possible for other than parents to love, but it doesn't help the story. Maybe it's made that way, for us not to get sympathy with them. How Andreas Baader charmed Gudrun is more obvious here.

    Either way, this difficulty in identifying with the main persons really doesn't work to make a masterpiece of a film. The result is only mildly interesting, and only if you like to study and debate the reason of radicalism and even terrorism, here in the basis of troubled thought around not really dealing with the Nazi movement.

    Anyway, in today's society we struggle in understanding what makes "normal" people terrorists, and how to foresee and prevent these in developing. If you get an answer here I really don't know, and I still will find it difficult to understand the force to commit terrorist acts.

    Well made, but you'll struggle in being engaged. Don't watch this when not ready. This is no action movie,but a slow moving drama with no climax. If you want action, see "The Baader Meihof complex" instead, which starts with the fire bombs in the shopping center, where there's more action. The best is to watch this first and the other after-wards, as complimentary movies.
    5kosmasp

    Complex

    While not exactly the same thing as the movie Baader Meinhof (which came out at least a year prior to this), it seems to cut into the same themes. If you watch closer though, you will see, that this a different beast. And while the intentions displayed here are really good (and the narrative is pretty straightforward), it lacks something that I saw in the other movie.

    Decent enough effort is being made in telling the story (with the acting supporting this), but in the end something seems to be missing. It is nice seeing a movie being made on that scale in Germany (even though you wish they would have gone another route) and will appeal to quite a few people for sure.
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    Shocking story, amazing film!

    Before I went to see this film on film festival "Free Zone" at Belgrade, I knew pretty much nothing about Baader-Meinhof Group. The synopsis sounded rather interesting and I had free evening - so why not? I was really surprised. I don't know how true to events this film is, but it is really effective. I left cinema open mouthed and that means that film done it's job well. Acting is believable and story is easy to follow even for someone who, like me, doesn't know anything about events. It's shocking story but obviously important and I after seeing the film I really got interested in subject.

    All in all, I have only good things to say about this film and as for the story itself, I suggest you to watch it all yourself.

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    Le saviez-vous

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    • Anecdotes
      Fictionalization of the real life events that were also the basis for La bande à Baader (2008), L'Allemagne en automne (1978), Fraction armée rouge (2002), Black Box RFA (2001), Les années de plomb (1981), Le procès Baader-Meinhof (1986), Une jeunesse allemande (2015), Starbuck Holger Meins (2002), Baader-Meinhof: In Love with Terror (2002), Andreas Baader - Der Staatsfeind (2002), Die RAF (2007), Ulrike Marie Meinhof (1995), Prisoner of Terrorism (1978), Ulrike Meinhof (2007), Die RAF - Tödliche Illusion (2007) and were strongly related with Les années de plomb (1981), Wildentiere (1969), Gudrun Ensslin - the early years (1968), Le Quatrième Homme (2014), Der Fall Susanne Albrecht (2017), Children of the Revolution (2010), Déclaration de guerre mondiale: armée rouge, front de libération palestinien (1971), Schleyer - Eine deutsche Geschichte (2003), Mogadiscio, destination terreur (2008) and present in the storylines of Schattenwelt (2008), The Worst Thing (To Germany, with Love) (2019) and Joschka und Herr Fischer (2011).
    • Bandes originales
      I Fall to Pieces
      Written by Hank Cochran and Harlan Howard

      Performed by Patsy Cline

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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 10 mars 2011 (Allemagne)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Allemagne
    • Langue
      • Allemand
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • If Not Us, Who?
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Berlin, Allemagne
    • Sociétés de production
      • ARD Degeto Film
      • Beauftragte der Bundesregierung für Kultur und Medien (BKM)
      • Deutscher Filmförderfonds (DFFF)
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    • Durée
      • 2h 4min(124 min)
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    • Mixage
      • Dolby Digital
    • Rapport de forme
      • 2.35 : 1

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