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Ordre & châtiment, le péché de nos pères

Titre original : Our Fathers
  • Téléfilm
  • 2005
  • R
  • 2h 10min
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7,2/10
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Ted Danson, Brian Dennehy, and Christopher Plummer in Ordre & châtiment, le péché de nos pères (2005)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueA dramatized account of the hidden sexual abuse and scandal that shook the foundation of the Catholic Church, and the characters, events, and policies that brought the abuse and scandal into... Tout lireA dramatized account of the hidden sexual abuse and scandal that shook the foundation of the Catholic Church, and the characters, events, and policies that brought the abuse and scandal into existence.A dramatized account of the hidden sexual abuse and scandal that shook the foundation of the Catholic Church, and the characters, events, and policies that brought the abuse and scandal into existence.

  • Réalisation
    • Dan Curtis
  • Scénario
    • David France
    • Thomas Michael Donnelly
  • Casting principal
    • Ted Danson
    • Christopher Plummer
    • Brian Dennehy
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  • NOTE IMDb
    7,2/10
    592
    MA NOTE
    • Réalisation
      • Dan Curtis
    • Scénario
      • David France
      • Thomas Michael Donnelly
    • Casting principal
      • Ted Danson
      • Christopher Plummer
      • Brian Dennehy
    • 13avis d'utilisateurs
    • 28avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
    • Nommé pour 2 Primetime Emmys
      • 8 nominations au total

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    Ted Danson
    Ted Danson
    • Mitchell Garabedian
    Christopher Plummer
    Christopher Plummer
    • Cardinal Bernard Law
    Brian Dennehy
    Brian Dennehy
    • Father Dominic Spagnolia
    Daniel Baldwin
    Daniel Baldwin
    • Angelo DeFranco
    Ellen Burstyn
    Ellen Burstyn
    • Mary Ryan
    Kenneth Welsh
    Kenneth Welsh
    • Bishop Murphy
    Will Lyman
    Will Lyman
    • Wilson Rogers Jr.
    Wayne Best
    Wayne Best
    • Father Doyle
    Colin Fox
    Colin Fox
    • Daniel Kibbe
    James Aaron Oliver
    James Aaron Oliver
    • Patrick McSorley
    • (as James Oliver)
    Jan Rubes
    Jan Rubes
    • Pope John Paul
    Steven Shaw
    Steven Shaw
    • John J. Geoghan
    Damien Atkins
    • Young Geoghan
    Hugh Thompson
    Hugh Thompson
    • Tom Blanchette
    Aidan Devine
    Aidan Devine
    • Bernie McDaid
    Chris Bauer
    Chris Bauer
    • Olan Horne
    Thomas Mitchell
    Thomas Mitchell
    • Gary Bergeron
    Donald Ewer
    • Ordination Cardinal
    • Réalisation
      • Dan Curtis
    • Scénario
      • David France
      • Thomas Michael Donnelly
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    Avis des utilisateurs13

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    5myspecialparadise

    Wrong Title

    Our Fathers should have been titled more accurately as The Sins Of Our Fathers. I found this film to be a big let-down. Honesty would have given a more profound look into the lives that were destroyed, as well as the devastated families of those children that were molested and/or brutally raped. Many of these victims remained silent for decades, riddled with guilt and shame ... knowing that they would not be believed if they told the truth about these stereo-typical God-like figures that have always been held in such high regard for their holiness. Most of those that did tell ... they were thrown to the wolves, never to darken their families doorstep again. Many turned to drugs ... to escape the mental torments ... many died during those desperate escapes from reality. Many turned to suicide ... while others turned to everything but God! How could one turn to a being that would allow such evil to occur within a church ... for thousands of years?! The worse of it is that these "Men of God" preyed upon the weakest of our children ... the already abused ... the emotionally disturbed ... the disabled. They also preyed upon those same children that came to them for help ... because they were being horribly abused by another! Because that is what we were taught ... if you are in trouble ... seek out a policeman, better yet ..... a Priest! OMG ... we were so stupid! Give us a more true to life movie about this subject! Show us how these Men Of God bragged about their conquests ... and offered them to other Priests as well. The public deserves to know the whole truth! not just the tamer versions.
    6GMJames

    Some very good performances but, overall, a bit of a disappointment

    "Our Fathers", which is based on the book by David France, deserves an epic-size treatment of the sexual abuse of children by some clergy members within the Boston Archdiocese and the politics within the Catholic Church on this matter.

    The movie is not as powerful as it could have been. That is not to say screenwriter Thomas Michael Donnelly and veteran director Dan Curtis (Dark Shadows, The Winds of War, War and Remembrance) totally failed. The scenes of abuse were handled with great sensitivity, they were not gratuitous or exploitive.

    There are some very heartbreaking moments which include Ellen Burstyn as the mother of seven children who were all abused by one priest. Burstyn only appears in the film for only a few minutes but she makes the most of her scenes. (Update: If the group that awards the Emmys wanted to nominate a short but powerful performance by Burstyn, it should have been this one not the 14 second performance in Mrs. Harris. But I digress.)

    Also of note, Chris Bauer who plays Olan Horne, one of the victims. He has a scene in which he is taunted by a couple of insensitive men at a local deli. When he graphically describes to them how he was abused, I was almost in tears. Bauer was a standout.

    Christopher Plummer does a good job playing Cardinal Bernard Law. It would have been very easy to play him as a caricature (which, in my opinion, is what happened with the actors who portrayed the young and adult Fr. Geoghan) and Plummer somehow gave him some sympathetic qualities which made him a bit more complex.

    My main issue with the movie was the decision by the screenwriter and the director to put so much weight on the legal aspects of the case and the news media's part of reporting the story. It does not mean that those aspects of the story should be ignored. Perhaps it had more to do with the source material. Author David France covered the crisis when he was a senior editor at Newsweek.

    Because of this, despite some good scenes, I thought Ted Danson performance as Mitchell Garabedian was problematic. I was unable to connect with his character because I was paying more attention to the victims and the clergy. To me, Garabedian is a secondary character who was placed in a lead role. Also, I was very unimpressed with the scenes involving the reporters at the Boston Globe. It felt like a poor imitation of "All The President's Men".

    There should have been more stories about the adult victims and their families and how these abuses affected their lives. I wished they would have delved more into the politics of the Catholic Church and why the church failed the victims and the reactions of parishioners and how their faith was shaken by this controversy.

    I also believe that if the movie was performed chronologically and not used flashbacks, it would have been even more powerful and effective. While watching "Our Fathers", I kept thinking about the landmark, two-part film "The Boys of St. Vincent" (1992 and 1993), which told the true story of the sexual abuse of children at a orphanage in Newfoundland, Canada. The orphanage was run by a religious community. The movies also showed how it affected the victims, their families and the abusers 15 years later.

    Also, I found Brian Dennehy's performance as Father Dominic Spagnolia, the clergyman who publicly criticized Cardinal Law and the Boston Archdiocese's handling of the sexual abuse claims but also had skeletons in his own closet, fiercely charismatic and totally fearless. Dennehy has been one of my favorite actors and when he sinks his teeth into a role, watch out. However, I believe the story of Father Spagnolia deserves a movie of its own.

    Overall, "Our Fathers" was well-intended but not totally successful.
    6Panamint

    Powerful, but....

    Yes its powerful, primarily because the acting is powerful and effective. Anyone in the cast would deserve an acting award.

    There are script problems. Too many characters and too many individual stories crammed into 2 hours. Some characters have little or no character development. Big mistake to concentrate on media-circus. The media is notoriously shallow and insincere, and it contrasts sharply with the otherwise deep tone of this film. Perp walks and media rabble on the sidewalks will work fine in the Martha Stewart trial movie, but it is way overemphasized here where it seems silly and unnecessary. Probably the writers were trying to show the "American-ness" of the situation but if so they weren't very successful.

    Danson is great at conveying the essence of the legal aspect. So good that we are reminded that the essence is all we need. Legal detail is great in a Courtroom Drama but that is not what we expect here. Also, you feel like some of the characters are Courtroom Drama-style "witnesses" rather than human beings. A movie with such spiritual aspects should show each character as a human being.

    Gentle and dignified portrayal of the late Pope. Seems the rest of the Catholic world could not comprehend the depravity and the generally different nature of American society and of this particular monstrous problem.
    9edwagreen

    Our Fathers-An Excellent Depiction of Sin ****

    Our Fathers is a terrific movie made by Showtime depicting the Boston scandal involving pedophile priests and their effects on the children they abused so many years ago.

    With an outstanding cast, the film brilliantly shows the impact on the lives of those abused and focuses on the church, in not the best of terms.

    An all-star cast is headed by Ted Danson portraying the lawyer for the abused. Christopher Plummer, as Cardinal Bernard Law, and Brian Dennehy, as an accused priest-abuser turn in masterful Emmy nominated performances in supporting roles. They are just terrific but will probably cancel one another out on the Aug. 27th awards show.

    Ellen Burstyn, who is at her best when she is miserable, appears in one scene as the mother of several of the victims.

    The film goes all out in showing the culpability of higher ups in a major cover-up of the priest-abuse scandal. We probably haven't seen such an cover-up since Watergate.

    Danson appears in the opening scene and acts as he did but in a non-comical way as TV's Becker.

    The language is salty and surprising given the nature of the Catholic church. Four letter words are prevalent and unfortunately appropriate as the story goes on.

    Plummer is just fabulous as Law, a guilt-ridden priest who is ready to sacrifice anyone to save his own neck. Equally good is Dennehy, who seems to be able to beat an abuse charge until his homosexuality is revealed.

    Sin was never better than this.
    cups429

    Not Catholic bashing

    I have seen this movie and am a practicing Catholic from Boston who worked in a rectory at age 12 in 1964 and did not hear of any abuse. I think the movie did a great job. I lived through the scandal. Before this happen I always said Cardinal Law had to be a cardinal because he could not get that ego in regular size church. You cant believe what this scandal has down to our diocese. And we cant blame lawyers or the media the only real culprit are the pedophile priests and those the covered it up. A a practicing Catholic I have always been aware of the secrecy in the everyday Church. When a Priests in our parish and left to get married have Mental disorders (nerves, drinking ) or left to get married it was if the just never existed. And why would anyone blame Jews for this movie. It looks like the writers , director and stars are not Jew's if that make a difference. Father Spag is in the parish next to ours and the movie did an accurate account of him. Except he is medium built Italian.

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      Near the end of the film Cardinal Bernard Law, as played by Christopher Plummer watches the movie Becket (1964). Plummer had starred in the original London stage production of the play BECKET.
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      Angelo DeFranco: Why did this happen to me?

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      Featured in The 57th Annual Primetime Emmy Awards (2005)

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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 21 mai 2005 (États-Unis)
    • Pays d’origine
      • États-Unis
    • Site officiel
      • Showtime (United States)
    • Langue
      • Anglais
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Our Fathers
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    • Sociétés de production
      • Dan Curtis Productions
      • Peace Arch Entertainment Group
      • Showtime Networks
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      • 14 340 000 $CA (estimé)
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      • 2h 10min(130 min)
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      • 1.78 : 1

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