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The Other Side of the Underneath

  • 1972
  • 2h 22min
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6,1/10
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The Other Side of the Underneath (1972)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueJane Arden's surreal take on a group of females in a therapy session.Jane Arden's surreal take on a group of females in a therapy session.Jane Arden's surreal take on a group of females in a therapy session.

  • Réalisation
    • Jane Arden
  • Scénario
    • Jane Arden
  • Casting principal
    • Sheila Allen
    • Susanka Fraey
    • Liz Danciger
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    • Réalisation
      • Jane Arden
    • Scénario
      • Jane Arden
    • Casting principal
      • Sheila Allen
      • Susanka Fraey
      • Liz Danciger
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    • 9avis des critiques
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    Rôles principaux13

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    Sheila Allen
    • Meg the Peg
    Susanka Fraey
    Liz Danciger
    Ann Lynn
    Ann Lynn
    Penny Slinger
    Jane Arden
    Jane Arden
    • Therapist
    Sally Minford
    • Cellist
    Jenny Moss
    Elaine Donovan
    Jack Bond
    Bill Deasey
    Lis Kustow
      Rosie Marcham
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        • Jane Arden
      • Scénario
        • Jane Arden
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      1selfdestructo

      (Throws arms up in the air)

      Let's see, definitively avant-garde, British, absolutely no narrative, everyone's on LSD, it's 1972, a cacophony of a soundtrack, nearly two hours. What can possibly appeal to me in this film? As it turns out, NOTHING.

      It starts out as nonsense, devolves into further levels of nonsense, the asylum throws out a mental patient, who in turn, aimlessly wanders the countryside, observing filthy hippies, doing all sorts of... nonsense, I think she's crucified? Then she returns from the dead (given that was even her... it made the cover, anyway), takes the very last fistful of psychedelics (offscreen) and performs with a bunch of freaks, which brings us to the abrupt thud of a nonsensical ending. Hey, this filmmaker is posthumously finally getting her due respect in the cult film world!

      Ouch. I can't believe I made it through the whole thing, as there's absolutely nothing to grasp onto. I watched this as the fourth and final movie of the House of Psychotic Women box set, culled as one of the four very best in Kier-La Janisse's book of the same name. Granted, I really, REALLY dug the first two movies, Identikit, and I Like Bats (of which it could be argued the woman in it is not psychotic at all, she's a vampire! And it's a comedy! She isn't someone who THINKS she's a vampire, and behaves as one, she IS one). Anyhow, there's a severe nosedive in quality with the remaining two, with three scores/soundtracks progressively getting more and more horrifying.

      Either Janisse is much, much smarter than I am, or the introductions she gives for each movie is a series of ramblings, and habitual tangents. I found next-to no light shed on any of these films. I gleaned more info in other supplements.

      Seems like I've gone off on a tangent of my own. Oh, there's gotta be a bizarro audience for a film like this, and it ain't me. I can only describe it as grating, insufferable, and embarrassing. There's a rather violent fake-murder between two mental patients (in a basement, I guess?), with both participants clearly in outer space on God-knows-what, done to the tune of ("live") Britain's worst acid rock band. Hell, get in a time machine, travel back to England in the late 60's/early 70's, throw a rock and you will hit one. I'm sure finding these guys was one of the easier production tasks.

      Zero point zero.

      Extras: In surrealist Penny Slinger's interview segment, where they discuss (and show extended clips of) her career in film and photos, I was reminded of my years in school studying Fine Arts. The way they evaluated (and read in to) her abstract and surreal work was exactly like the art critiques that I so many times participated in. What can I read into this film? Ya freakin' got me. I'm sure there's some feminist messages to be found in the confrontational "psychologist" scenes inside the asylum, but the movie is primarily a series of meandering, random scenes.

      Fun fact: In another extra, one participant reveals writer/director Jane Arden (who also plays the doctor) was drunk the entire duration (just guessing, she was an angry drunk), and all the women in the asylum scenes were fed acid. These facts alone make this film something I would have an aversion to.
      9johndavies007

      A female director's powerfully expressive and personal exploration of mental health issues.

      Apparently the only British film directed solely by a woman (Jane Arden) in the 1970s, The Other Side of Underneath is quite harrowing and claustrophobic, taking us into the minds of female psychiatric patients in Wales, with discordant screeching sounds and strange searing and hallucinatory images. It seems to subvert not only polite society but also the repression of sexuality; late in the film we have a relative, almost idyllic sense of freedom, with an open air coupling. There's something of Max Ernst and Edvard Munch about the film, but this is very much from a female perspective, implying that society for too long has damagingly frowned on female sexual feelings as unclean. Scenes with Romanies and a few black children are telling, underlining the shared status of unwanted powerless outsiders. Alongside almost infernal visions, the film also questions attitudes to religion and neglect of a more natural life.

      Maybe wretchedly self-indulgent, relentless and disgusting to some, for me it's a serious, persuasive and emotion-churning examination of "mental illness", one of the boldest films to emerge from the UK, but one from which i was relieved to step out into the warm sunlight.
      2I_Ailurophile

      Experimental Cinema enthusiasts, your chariot awaits. Everyone else: move along.

      The more a picture embraces experimental art film sensibilities, the more limited its appreciative audience is going to be. Of all the pictures that have ever deservedly been called art films, I don't believe I personally have seen one more experimental and abstruse than this. I admire the audacity to create something so completely, wildly unorthodox, something which not only may not appeal to many viewers but which, for its inscrutability, may also actively repel viewers. I admire the gusto of the cast, collaborators of filmmaker Jane Arden, who clearly share her enigmatic vision and go all-in in their own ways to bring it to life. I also think, however, that for my part, such nonspecific praise is not enough to manifest such value as to solidify a recommendation. I'm glad for those folks for whom 'The other side of the underneath' is an enjoyable or possibly even revelatory experience. I'm not one of them.

      The one requirement I have of the movies that I watch, more than anything else, is concrete narrative in at least some small sense. No matter how minimal or extraordinary, if a movie has a story to tell, then I can abide just about anything, and surely find worth in even the slightest measure. Indeed, I'll watch just about anything. Whatever else is true of this feature, however, it has no discernible narrative. What we're greeted with in this instance is a collection of scenes tied around a loose concept, yet at no point am I able to ascertain a through-line, a consistent thread, that imparts a progression from A to B; that brings order to the dialogue, to the characters, or to the vague assemblage; or that ties everything together with meaningful connectivity. Scenes are executed with intensity, passion, and care - is this enough in and of itself, when there is no detectable substance to the tableau? This is the sort of project that invites spectators to glean what they will, to See and Think and Interpret freely. I deeply regret to say that I see nothing. I deeply regret to say that I need more than what 'The other side of the underneath' is - and by "more" I really mean anything, anything at all.

      I love the music in the film, especially the exceptionally unconventional offerings of cellist Sally Minford. Beyond this, and my appreciation for the overall daring and commitment of those involved, I struggle to form words that might project positive airs over the proceedings. I can't think of any comparison for how incredibly esoteric or even mystifying this is, and anyway, I don't known if comparisons would be worthy anything. There are people who will come upon 'The other side of the underneath' and absolutely Get It, without hesitation or question, and who will find this an enthralling, exemplary viewing experience. If you're not someone already open to the most profoundly strange and eccentric spheres of cinema, however, then I can only recommend against this. Watch it if you want, but be very, very well aware of what you're getting into.
      8samxxxul

      One of best British film that will have you pondering for a long time..! PURE TERROR

      "The Other Side of the Underneath" explores identity and the self by experimenting with altered states of consciousness and regression into the mind. It explores the feminist tracts on trauma and agency but through a mixture of violent imagery and Clockwork orange theatrics played over the backdrop of an industrial Welsh mining town which is also Arden's place of birth. Jane Arden & her performance troop Holocaust grapple with insanity in this madcap British obscurity. Jane uses experimental formulas to narrate the effects of schizophrenia and report abuses suffered by those affected in former psychiatric hospitals. This is regarded has the only British feature of the '70s with a solo female directing credit, it is also an emotionally searing, genuinely dangerous masterpiece. Sally Minford who has composed the brilliant soundtrack appears throughout the film playing the cello, while artist Penny Slinger both acted in the film and was jointly responsible for its art-direction. It has no coherent storyline, almost impossible to follow plot and despite that, it is one of the most interesting films which feels like a journey to an unknown dimension at times, almost overwhelming. If Barbara Hammer, Roberta Findlay come together to make a disturbing version of Inland Empire/Possession with a dash of Nina Menkes. Pipilotti Rist, Lisa Hammer, Mari Asato, Rei Hayama, Mari Terashima, A. Hans Scheirl and Ken Russell thrown in. A complete nightmare state on the screen, and Jane Arden achieves it through atmosphere and a sense of foreboding, rather than extreme gore effects and jump scares. Of course, it is not "Experimental" as in Anti-Clock (1979), it is rougher, more "dirty". As contemporary paintings can be less "beautiful" than those of the classics. But I still found it as fascinating as usual. Nothing to do with the flatness of the image in porn or in most French films (which are often even uglier when they try to be "aesthetic"). But her way of directing and filming Sheila Allen on Welsh mining town will remain etched in my memory for a long time. I definitely found it to be impressive on a visual storytelling level and it's so daunting and exhausting and confusing and labyrinthine and an absolute nightmare.
      1shandycr

      The blatant side of utter rubbish

      This is my second attempt at doing a review.

      Okay, this is a supposedly 'avant garde' film, and if you think of Derek Jarman's early features as 'avant garde', consider them like John Waters but without intentional comedy.

      This is absolutely laughable rubbish, and having read that it's likely everyone involved was imbibing and ingesting certain substances, that certainly comes across on the waste of celluloid. It's literally just people doing 'free form' freakouts, that are meant to be expressive and deep and meaningful. Unfortunately this just means that there's a ton of nuddy women and an extremely graphic sequence that lasts forever involving some digits.

      The main thing I took from this was concern for the number of children that happened to get in the way of the front of the camera, and thus evidently involved in the production of all the drug-taking and goodness knows what milieu.

      We're supposed to be grateful that this 'artiste' had her work preserved because her life 'tragically' ended a few years later as she was a drunk. No, this is utter rubbish and whatever 'arts council' or similarly trendy project that threw the confetti money at her to make this has not changed in the subsequent 50 years.

      I've got to add. Her attitude towards women is plainly poisonous. Simultaneously seeing them as sexual objects then wanting them to destroy each other. What a disgusting individual.

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      • Anecdotes
        Alcohol and LSD use was rampant from the crew during production, particularly with Arden. The filmmaking process was so painfully intense for almost everyone involved that it brought an end to the Holocaust theatre company, and the majority of participants parted ways for good.
      • Citations

        Masked woman: Strength, little girl, is madness. And madness is a persistent belief in one's own hatefulness ... lightning in the brain.

      • Connexions
        Featured in Penny Slinger: Out of the Shadows (2017)
      • Bandes originales
        Soldiers' Chorus from 'Faust'
        (uncredited)

        Music by Charles Gounod

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      • Date de sortie
        • 9 février 1973 (Royaume-Uni)
      • Pays d’origine
        • Royaume-Uni
      • Langue
        • Anglais
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        • The Other Side of Underneath
      • Lieux de tournage
        • Abertillery, Blaenau Gwent, Pays de Galles, Royaume-Uni(film credits)
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        2 heures 22 minutes
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        • 1.33 : 1

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