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Ironweed - La force du destin

Titre original : Ironweed
  • 1987
  • R
  • 2h 23min
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Ironweed - La force du destin (1987)
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Un vagabond alcoolique passe Halloween dans sa ville natale d'Albany, New York, après y être retourné pour la première fois depuis des décennies.Un vagabond alcoolique passe Halloween dans sa ville natale d'Albany, New York, après y être retourné pour la première fois depuis des décennies.Un vagabond alcoolique passe Halloween dans sa ville natale d'Albany, New York, après y être retourné pour la première fois depuis des décennies.

  • Réalisation
    • Hector Babenco
  • Scénario
    • William Kennedy
  • Casting principal
    • Jack Nicholson
    • Meryl Streep
    • Carroll Baker
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    • Réalisation
      • Hector Babenco
    • Scénario
      • William Kennedy
    • Casting principal
      • Jack Nicholson
      • Meryl Streep
      • Carroll Baker
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    • 31avis des critiques
    • 56Métascore
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    • Nommé pour 2 Oscars
      • 2 victoires et 4 nominations au total

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    Jack Nicholson
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    • Francis Phelan
    Meryl Streep
    Meryl Streep
    • Helen
    Carroll Baker
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    • Annie Phelan
    Michael O'Keefe
    Michael O'Keefe
    • Billy
    Diane Venora
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    • Peg
    Fred Gwynne
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    • Oscar Reo
    Margaret Whitton
    Margaret Whitton
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    • Rudy
    Jake Dengel
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    Nathan Lane
    Nathan Lane
    • Harold Allen
    James Gammon
    James Gammon
    • Reverend Chester
    Will Zahrn
    Will Zahrn
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    Laura Esterman
    • Nora
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    Joe Grifasi
    • Jack
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    Hy Anzell
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    Bethel Leslie
    Bethel Leslie
    • Librarian
    Richard Hamilton
    Richard Hamilton
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    • Réalisation
      • Hector Babenco
    • Scénario
      • William Kennedy
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    9dbdumonteil

    They're my pals.

    Never the timing for a movie had been so disastrous.Released in those "glorious " eighties when the success stories and the triumphalist heroes were the golden rule,"Ironweed" stood no chance at all.Two tramps did not fit well in the movie landscape of those "feel good" times.And two tramps played by two megastars ,it was unforgivable!

    The cast is stellar,but it's Meryl Streep whom I will remember FOREVER.When she sings her little tune "he's me pal" she's so heart-wrenching that she will move you to tears."At least ,I didn't betray anybody" she said.Although it was a colossal flop,Streep would only approach such an emotion afterwards.(notably in "the bridges of Madison County")Nicholson was equally courageous to play such a demeaning part,and he gets strong support from Carroll Baker who proves here she can age gracefully and from Tom Waits ,ideally cast as a barfly.

    "Ironweed" is very hard to see nowadays.One of these days ,it will be given the place it deserves.
    9uhmartinez-phd

    Grim And Wonderful

    Cold, desolate in the surface and an uncomfortable warmth in the inside. Meryl Streep leads in a way that is difficult to explain. She provides a truly magic movie moment when she sings "He's My Pal" for her supper. For a moment we live her fantasy. Her moment is our moment, that's why as the song and the fantasy ends something inside me cracked. I felt tears running down my face and, I swear, I wasn't ready for that. The humanity of Meryl Streep, the actress, filters through the devastating circumstances of her character. Circumstances that, by the time we meet her, are already a way of life. At the beginning of the film, when somebody asks her how is she, her reply is "Delightful". Trying to adjust to this character I listen to her stained, tired voice, trying to be heard and I did, heard her. I love Meryl Streep.
    7dungeonstudio

    A Good Look At Alcoholism...

    I had seen this movie when it first came out, and just seemed hopelessly depressing. Good acting and sets, but a story with little hope for anyone. Recently I re-watched it and have an appreciation for its accurate depiction of alcoholism. I think this story could take place in any decade and have the same outcome. But the fact its in the depression era drives it all home that much harder. Francis (Nicholson) plays a down trodden bum all too familiar with the alleys and soup kitchens of 1938 Albany NY. He has a casual relationship with Helen (Streep) who seems very down on her luck too. If Francis can stay sober for a few days, the kind priest at the mission finds him odd jobs for pay. But soon as Francis works, he drinks again. Helen also is quite a drinker, and the two try to take care of each other finding places to sleep and getting food to eat. Paying attention to the dialog and flashbacks, the viewer learns Francis and Helen had fairly illustrious and gruesome pasts. Francis is prone to seeing many 'ghosts' haunt him still. In a way to confront his past, he returns to his wife and family he had abandoned after a tragedy a few decades earlier. He makes amends as best he can, but redemption seems to get more elusive for him. Not that the film takes any hard stance on alcoholism, but I'd say shows that it's truly an incurable disease that can torture a person to utter hopelessness and still continue. Past accomplishments, future dreams, true love and devotion and loss are all meaningless when there's another drink to be had. So the movie I don't think will either sober a true alcoholic up by watching it - but may help? Nor do I think it will encourage anyone to take up the profession seriously - unless they already have the infliction? But to the good christian that is naive to the vices many of us get addicted to, I think this movie realistically shows the destructive torment and survival alcohol can cause, regardless of success, tragedy, or current blight. Beautifully ugly.
    csm23

    Not for the faint of heart

    Have you ever wondered what's it's like to be homeless? To most of us, it's as foreign an existence as the medieval world of Hugh Capet. And yet, it's a way of life that's within reach of all of us. And I'm not talking about its physical proximity, about the unfortunates we pass on the streets with their bed rolls on their backs: on the contrary, I'm referring to its spiritual, psychological proximity, to all the rest of us, who, given the right circumstances, could give up on our cheery Western materialist society and wander off into the shadows.

    Ironweed takes its viewers into that shadowy world of the rail yards, cardboard shantytowns, underpasses, and abandoned automobiles, and shows us incisive glimpses of how a person arrives there. Featuring what I think are the very best performances by Jack Nicholson and Meryl Streep, Ironweed gets us deep into the sooty, grimy, bilious skin of the two `hobos.' Like Schindler's List, Ironweed is dark poetry. When the movie is over, you're haunted for days by the imagery.

    Set in Albany during the Great Depression, Ironweed delivers not an ounce of moralizing. It's like a clinical exposition of the homeless person's entire life, both from without, and within. On the outside, of course, there's the Depression: a society doing the best it can to get by. From the `hobo's' point of view, one feels the implicit violence of a culture taught to view others as economic instruments of their own survival. The homeless, of course, are on the bottom end of the food chain. On the inside, Ironweed takes us into the intense pain of dashed hopes and expectations. From within and without, the homeless are caught in a whirling vortex that only grinds them down deeper and deeper into despair, the type that Kierkegaard's describes in `Sickness unto Death.' It's where intense poverty is not just physical, but spiritual.

    This is a terrific movie; but, it's not for the faint of heart.
    10copcigar

    Ephemeral, beautiful, heartaching, and soon gone

    _Ironweed_ haunts for a long time after viewing, so be prepared. I also suggest that you be employed while you view this one.

    William Kennedy's novel was an extreme work of beauty, and as much as I enjoyed and respected the novel, I never dreamed a film version could surpass it. In some ways at least, I believe this film does. Streep is luminous, no small feat while playing a drunk (they weren't called "homeless people" back then). And although he's proved it again since, this was the first time most of us saw Nicholson act. Tom Waits is terrific and gritty, Carroll Baker comes out of semi-retirement as though this was the one role she had left in her to play, and mixes pain and determination in just the right quantities.

    Babenco clearly had a vision, and displays a maturity I hadn't expected from him. Even the score, a couple of tunes used over the opening and closing credits will make your heart ache.

    It's all pathos, and it's all good. Grab it while you can -- I had to go to Canada and get a used copy online to find it at all. It was worth it.

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    • Anecdotes
      Argentinean director Hector Babenco said of this picture: "It is a movie that tries to embrace the territories of love, and it's also about the courage and beauty of people we don't usually think of as having deep and complex emotions."
    • Gaffes
      As the trolley being driven by the scab played by Nathan Lane approaches the union protesters, there are no trolley tracks between the mob and the trolley. In the next shot, they suddenly appear in the dirt under young Francis' feet.
    • Citations

      Rudy: Doc says I got cancer. First thing I ever got.

    • Connexions
      Featured in Siskel & Ebert & the Movies: Wall Street/Throw Momma from the Train/Broadcast News/Empire of the Sun (1987)
    • Bandes originales
      Whe You Were Sweet Sixteen
      Words and Music by James Thornton

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    • Date de sortie
      • 7 septembre 1988 (France)
    • Pays d’origine
      • États-Unis
    • Langue
      • Anglais
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Ironweed
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Albany, New York, États-Unis
    • Sociétés de production
      • Home Box Office (HBO)
      • Keith Barish Productions
      • TAFT Entertainment Pictures
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    • Budget
      • 27 000 000 $US (estimé)
    • Montant brut aux États-Unis et au Canada
      • 7 393 346 $US
    • Week-end de sortie aux États-Unis et au Canada
      • 36 973 $US
      • 20 déc. 1987
    • Montant brut mondial
      • 7 393 346 $US
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      2 heures 23 minutes
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      • Dolby Stereo
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.85 : 1

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