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Camarades

Titre original : Comrades
  • 1986
  • 3h 3min
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Camarades (1986)
DrameL'histoire

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueThe story of "The Tolpuddle Martyrs". A group of nineteenth century English farm laborers who formed one of the first trade unions and started a campaign to receive fair wages.The story of "The Tolpuddle Martyrs". A group of nineteenth century English farm laborers who formed one of the first trade unions and started a campaign to receive fair wages.The story of "The Tolpuddle Martyrs". A group of nineteenth century English farm laborers who formed one of the first trade unions and started a campaign to receive fair wages.

  • Réalisation
    • Bill Douglas
  • Scénario
    • Bill Douglas
  • Casting principal
    • Robin Soans
    • William Gaminara
    • Stephen Bateman
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  • NOTE IMDb
    7,2/10
    969
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    • Réalisation
      • Bill Douglas
    • Scénario
      • Bill Douglas
    • Casting principal
      • Robin Soans
      • William Gaminara
      • Stephen Bateman
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    • 15avis des critiques
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    • Récompenses
      • 1 victoire et 1 nomination au total

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    Robin Soans
    Robin Soans
    • George Loveless
    William Gaminara
    William Gaminara
    • James Loveless
    Stephen Bateman
    • Old Tom Stanfield
    Phil Davis
    Phil Davis
    • Young Stanfield
    • (as Philip Davis)
    Jeremy Flynn
    • Brine
    Keith Allen
    Keith Allen
    • James Hammett
    Alex Norton
    Alex Norton
    • Diorama Showman…
    Michael Clark
    • Sailor
    Arthur Dignam
    Arthur Dignam
    • Fop
    James Fox
    James Fox
    • Norfolk
    John Hargreaves
    John Hargreaves
    • Convict
    Michael Hordern
    Michael Hordern
    • Mr. Pitt
    Freddie Jones
    Freddie Jones
    • Vicar
    Murray Melvin
    Murray Melvin
    • Clerk
    Vanessa Redgrave
    Vanessa Redgrave
    • Mrs. Carlyle
    Robert Stephens
    Robert Stephens
    • Frampton
    Barbara Windsor
    Barbara Windsor
    • Mrs. Wetham
    Imelda Staunton
    Imelda Staunton
    • Betsy Loveless
    • Réalisation
      • Bill Douglas
    • Scénario
      • Bill Douglas
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    10Jonathan Dore

    Searingly beautiful: worth going a very long way to see.

    Bill Douglas's last film, one of the great films of British cinema, and a gorgeous visual poem of surpassing beauty. Among students of the British film industry "Comrades" is best known for its commercial flop: given a wide theatrical release in 1987, disappointing box office led it to be taken off within a couple of weeks before word of mouth recommendations could do anything to build an audience - doubtless many people were expecting a narratively straightforward, Merchant-Ivory piece of historical costume drama. It's never been released theatrically since, and Channel 4, who made it, have only shown it twice since on television - I strongly doubt they've even shown it on their dedicated film channel, FilmFour, either (it doesn't involve people pointing guns at each other). As such, it's a great unknown, and rare copies of the video are hard to come by, so for the immediate future, it's hard to see how this gem is going to become better known.

    The music is an oddly inspired choice: apart from the hymns and folk songs that are sung by the characters, the soundtrack music makes no attempt at pastiche of 19th-century musical forms or styles. Instead, Douglas got Hans Werner Henze, one of the leading German composers of the post-war years, to provide music (all the more powerful for being sparingly used) in his own, completely uncompromised modernist idiom (no doubt Henze agreed to do it for little money, as his well-known radical politics would have made him sympathetic to a film about the birth of trade unionism). The rich and magical soundworld Henze evokes with a small group of instruments adds immeasurably to the sense of wonder and the sheer, marvellous strangeness of many of the scenes.

    What sticks in the memory most, though, are the arresting, breathtakingly beautiful visual images, frozen in time and never to be forgotten: the lanternist walking across the chalk figure of the Cerne Abbas giant on a dark hillside during the title sequence, then later seen in silhouette passing silently in front of a huge full moon; Hammett (Keith Allen giving his finest performance), too furious to speak, holding up six fingers to the viewer, turning away and then coming back to repeat the gesture to indicate how many shillings they were getting for that week's work; George Loveless (Robin Soans, criminally underused ever since) pushing a shilling coin in front of the face of Jesus in an engraving of the nativity to show Frampton how he, like the wise men in the picture now appear to be doing, worships money; James Loveless walking across a trackless Australian beach and blundering into the shot of an itinerant Italian photographer attempting a portrait of an Aborigine; the Stanfield family saying grace around the table before dividing a pitifully small loaf between too many mouths; George Loveless feeling his way through the depths of a dark Australian forest, enraptured by the beauty and seemingly free, but actually in the world's largest prison. And there are many, many more.

    Every image works in its own terms as a visual composition - as striking in their vivid colours, visual rhythm, and the sometimes stylized, almost hieratic gestures of the actors as Caravaggio's "Supper at Emmaus" or "Entombment of Christ". But the images themselves are never tediously lingered over, or presented only for their own sake: common themes run through them. The idea of one object obscuring another, or silhouetted against another (the coin over the face of Christ, the lanternist against the moon) or of an image being projected or captured (the shadow of Frampton's maid passing from room to room, projected against the curtains by the light of her own candle, the lanternist making animal shapes with the shadow of his hands against a wall, the photographer trying to capture an other-worldly image on the beach) are a strong undercurrent, suitably for a film-maker who saw his role as a painter of images. This is made apparent in the director's alter ego throughout the film, Alex Norton - superbly diverse in several different cameo roles, including the photographer, a silhouettist who cuts a paper image of the governor of the Australian penal colony as he engages in barbed political banter, and the lanternist himself (the subtitle of the film is "a lanternist's account of the Tolpuddle Martyrs"): the conceit of the whole film, as an epilogue makes clear, is that it was all a lanternist's show, presented to an audience of well-wishers who had worked for the Martyrs' release. Hints had been given: Norton's various characters had been the only ones, at various times, to stare directly at the viewer, into the camera, the director engaging conspiratorially with his viewers. The great tragedy for film-lovers everywhere, and what must have been a great sadness for Douglas, who died in 1991, is that his viewers have been so few.

    UPDATE (February 2009): Film4 finally showed "Comrades" on 21 February this year, more than ten years after the channel began broadcasting. At almost the same time, the British Film Institute announced that they would be releasing the film on DVD and Blu-Ray in summer 2009. Hooray!
    10skipalongcassidy

    There's no accounting for taste!

    The earlier review "A Horrid Experience" prompted me to join this forum in order to offer a somewhat different view.

    This film shows the struggle of the Tolpuddle Martyrs to try to gain just non-starvation level wages for their work. What they went through at the beginning of the trade union movement in the UK has benefited everyone since; and their struggle should be an inspiration to anyone with the slightest interest in social justice. I don't agree that it is boring. Yes it is a long film (3hrs) and is not packed with action sequences and special effects. It was made by Bill Douglas, who has a matchless reputation for excellent films that slowly build up a superb evocation of time and place. Even if it was deadly boring, the discomfort of sitting to watch it a little bit longer surely can't match the discomfort meted out to the Tolpuddle men and their families?
    thecatcanwait

    Solid but too long

    Bill Douglas – the director – might have been born to tell this story of the Tolpuddle Martyrs; his own Scottish childhood had been something of a martyrdom to working class deprivation and poverty.

    I vaguely knew about these Tolpuddle Martyrs from school history: how 6 humble farm labourers in rural Dorset of the 1830′s had dared to form a union and ask for higher wages , and as a sorry consequence got deported to Australia.

    This "poor mans epic" was a flop in the cinema and got dropped after a couple of weeks, never, or hardly ever to be seen again. I can sort of see why it didn't have general commercial appeal.

    At times Douglas's way of telling the story gets in the way, slows down, or even just undercooks, dedramatises – deliberately? – the films propulsion, pace, purpose. I suppose i've been too used to being spoon-fed glossy costume dramas on prime-time BBC 1: narrative elements – exposition, explanation, transition – are all smoothly storyboarded in to give you the slick entertainment experience this film seems resolutely not to want to give you.

    It could be that Douglas wasn't experienced enough as a film maker to make a grand epic drama (he'd only made his small-scale low-budget autobiographical Trilogy previously) The toil in the soil, the squelch of the mud, the hovel-like existence of downtrodden agricultural workers – not many rights or entitlements, very little power, hardly any choice in the matter – you do get a sense for all of that in this film. It feels like a dirty life, basic survival existence, punctuated by simple "entertainments – lantern shows, travelling fairs, communal singsongs, folk dancing – with life's inevitable fall ameliorated via mutuality, familiarity, warm comradeship.

    There's a lot of film technique on show, which might be Douglas's self-conscious need to make it look stylistically different, uniquely his own: lots of long shots and slow shots, and focusing on still faces looking straight into the camera; abrupt and occasionally jarring transitions; using a lantern show to pick out salient features in the narrative – which i found a bit irritating (too fairy-tale like – i craved more of the nitty-gritty squelchy mud realism!) The last third of the film moves to Australia; we've already had 2 hours or so – and another hour gets tacked on. The shift to somewhere else breaks the intensity of focus; the immersion in that localised rural reality of rainy dirty Dorset becomes too dissipated. I felt most of this Australia section could have been edited down into a 5 minute montage.

    After watching this film i was curious to find out more about what happened on Google. I read several articles.

    So i guess if a film has inspired me to want to know more, get further "inside" the history of these Tolpuddle Martyrs – then as a historical document its succeeded. But as a Film film perhaps less so. I doubt i'd want to watch it again.

    Still, i feel enlisted as one of Douglas's "comrades" now. I'm one of them. One of him.
    youngian67

    A mystery why this is never shown

    This is one of the greatest underrated epics of Brtish cinema.

    Not only does it chart a pivotal event in the development of trade unionism but one of the few films portrays the harshness of the Australian exile system.

    Everyone looked like they wanted to make this film and excel in it. The narrative slow burning but riveting, pausing to allow the audience to taste life of that period.

    We see much of the wretchedness of late Victorian urban life on the screen but this early rural period is often pasteurised like a Constable painting or concentrates on the upper classes.

    Bill Douglas owes more to Ken Loach than Merchant Ivory.

    I believe this film was made by Channel 4 but it is never shown and or has a DVD release.

    If anyone who has any experience of Channel 4 , I would be interested to know what they have against this film.
    9roland-spencerjones

    Where is it now?

    I remember watching Comrades many years ago, sitting spellbound as the story slowly unfolded. I particularly appreciated the long slow "mug-shots" of the characters, which stayed with me for years afterwards. The story of the Tolpuddle martyrs was new to me, although I remember hearing the name in my history classes. What develops in the film is the story of an early attempt at democracy and human rights, that ends with deportation to Australia. Even there the early spirit of trade-unionism emerges: United We Stand, Divided we Fall.

    What a shame that the film seems to be currently unavailable on either VHS or DVD. Who can I write to about this?

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    • Anecdotes
      Much of the filming was carried out in the abandoned village of Tyneham in Dorset. The residents were forced to move away in 1943 "as a temporary measure" because the War Office (now the M.O.D.) commandeered the village to use it as firing ranges for training troops. After the war, the Army placed a compulsory purchase order on the land and it has remained in use for military training ever since. However, the remains of the buildings in the village are sometimes open to the public, despite being in the middle of a firing range. The village's very rare 1929 K1 Mark 236 telephone kiosk, which had been restored by volunteers a few years earlier, was accidentally flattened during filming of this movie, and the movie company had to obtain a replacement.
    • Gaffes
      The action is set in the 1830s, but the Lanternist's magic lantern dates from the 1860s.
    • Citations

      Diorama Showman: My dear sir, I think you underestimate the novelty of this unique exhibition. The diorama is the highest achievement of human ingenuity, delineating the most interesting parts of the world, in varying aspects of light and shade. How about a trip to the other side of the world tomorrow?

      George Loveless: What you offer, sir, is illusion. It's the real world I'd like to see. In our short lives, we move about so little...

    • Crédits fous
      At the end of the film, information about what happened to the six Martyrs appears onscreen in the style of a magic-lantern show.
    • Versions alternatives
      To receive a PG certificate a 3 second cut was made to UK cinema and video versions during a scene hinting at oral sex between McCallum and his dog. The cut was waived for the 15-rated BFI DVD release in 2009.
    • Connexions
      Featured in Mark Kermode's Secrets of Cinema: British History Movies (2020)

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    • Date de sortie
      • 23 juillet 2014 (France)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Royaume-Uni
    • Langues
      • Italien
      • Anglais
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Comrades
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Cerne Abbas, Dorset, Angleterre, Royaume-Uni(chalk figure on hillside in title sequence)
    • Sociétés de production
      • Skreba Films
      • National Film Finance Corporation (NFFC)
      • Film Four International
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      • 3h 3min(183 min)
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      • Color
    • Mixage
      • Dolby
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.78 : 1

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