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Le soldat inconnu

Titre original : Tuntematon sotilas
  • 1985
  • 3h 17min
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7,4/10
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Le soldat inconnu (1985)
Épopée de guerreDrameGuerre

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueThis film is the second silver screen adaption of the Finnish war book by Väinö Linna with the same name as the film. The story is based on Linna's experiences as an infantry man in the Finn... Tout lireThis film is the second silver screen adaption of the Finnish war book by Väinö Linna with the same name as the film. The story is based on Linna's experiences as an infantry man in the Finnish army during the so called "Continuation War" (1941-1944). The film tells the story of ... Tout lireThis film is the second silver screen adaption of the Finnish war book by Väinö Linna with the same name as the film. The story is based on Linna's experiences as an infantry man in the Finnish army during the so called "Continuation War" (1941-1944). The film tells the story of the fate of a machine gun platoon made up of young conscripts from various parts of Finlan... Tout lire

  • Réalisation
    • Rauni Mollberg
  • Scénario
    • Veikko Aaltonen
    • Väinö Linna
    • Rauni Mollberg
  • Casting principal
    • Risto Tuorila
    • Pirkka-Pekka Petelius
    • Paavo Liski
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  • NOTE IMDb
    7,4/10
    3,1 k
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    • Réalisation
      • Rauni Mollberg
    • Scénario
      • Veikko Aaltonen
      • Väinö Linna
      • Rauni Mollberg
    • Casting principal
      • Risto Tuorila
      • Pirkka-Pekka Petelius
      • Paavo Liski
    • 13avis d'utilisateurs
    • 1avis de critique
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    • Récompenses
      • 3 victoires et 1 nomination au total

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    Risto Tuorila
    • Koskela
    Pirkka-Pekka Petelius
    Pirkka-Pekka Petelius
    • Hietanen
    Paavo Liski
    • Rokka
    Mika Mäkelä
    • Rahikainen
    Pertti Koivula
    • Lahtinen
    Tero Niva
    • Vanhala
    Ossi-Ensio Korvuo
    • Määttä
    Mikko Niskanen
    • Salo
    Pauli Poranen
    • Lehto
    Hannu Kivioja
    • Riitaoja
    Juha Riihimäki
    • Sihvonen
    Seppo Juusonen
    • Suentassu
    Timo Virkki
    • Honkajoki
    Vesa Ala-Seppälä
    • Hauhia
    Risto Hetta
    • Vuorela
    Veli-Matti Pernu
    • Kaukonen
    Kari Väänänen
    Kari Väänänen
    • Lammio
    Pekka Ketonen
    • Kariluoto
    • Réalisation
      • Rauni Mollberg
    • Scénario
      • Veikko Aaltonen
      • Väinö Linna
      • Rauni Mollberg
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    9laduqesa

    À film that has stayed with me.

    During a visit to the Salpalinja in the late eighties, a friend mentioned this film. We had had a tour by a veteran of the Winter War and the Continuation War of the fortifications and I really wanted to see the film. On our way back to Pyhtää, we hired the video of the film in Kotka and prepared for an evening's viewing.

    To say I was stunned and amazed would be an understatement. The film captured perfectly what the aging ex-soldier had recounted to us - he hadn't held back about anything, including atrocities committed by both sides and about the sheer horror of the war.

    The Finnish front is barely known elsewhere in the West. Nor were the transfers of populations when Russia took Finland's arm and skirt. What madness possessed the Finns to march on? The film explains the collective frenzy of nationalism gripping the dirigeants and (most of) the men. No dissent was allowed. Those who refused to cross into Russia proper were killed. This was sensitively shown in the film.

    Parts of the film were unbearable. The attack on the ambulance stays in my memory. The new lad who doesn't heed the warning about snipers and is rewarded with a bullet in the skull. The line of Russians crossing a snow-covered field only to be mown down to a man.

    Loud, lurid and gory, the film captures the dreadfulness of war and the vagaries of the human spirit in a Finnish context. Definitely recommended.
    9kallekonttinen

    1985 version is more true

    Sometimes in life you want to experience something true and realistic. Molmberg's Unknown Soldier comes as close as it is possible in movie to experience war. Linna's 1955 version was more theatrical and entertaining. It had it's merits but I like Molmberg's better.

    In early 1990's I did my military service in Finland and trained a lot attack in the forest and the attack on the bunker line in Molmberg's film looks, sounds and almost smells the same. All details are in place and they really fire Maxim MG's and Suomi SMG's.

    I think you can't do good war movie without showing the ugly side of war. Molmberg shows the true nature of war. War is totally evil.
    TommyWoods

    The evil twin brother of the unknown soldier

    Rauni Mollberg's version of the Unknown Soldier, the novel of Väinö Linna, has always been the one that has been compared to the first movie version directed by Edvin Laine 30 years earlier. The times have changed between 1955 and 1985 and it shows. Laine's Unknown was jolly and cheerful, almost farce-like when compared to this one. Mollberg's Unknown is grimmer and wants to show the darker shades even darker and deeper than the first one. Laine skips the difficult themes like plundering of enemy cities and the executions of the soldiers sentenced in court-martial quite quickly or doesn't handle them at all. Mollberg obviously wants to dig deeper in them but hasn't left out any of the original scenes either. Hence the titanic length of the film.

    When one has seen the Laine's version so many times as, for example, I have, it is difficult to form an objective opinion about Mollberg's version. The first impression stresses the darkness and seriousness of the atmosphere. It would be OK, if all the actors seemed natural, but they don't. Of course, all the actors in the first version don't seem natural either, but hey, it's Laine's Tuntematon Sotilas! Who cares!? This one gets better along the way, though. You get used to the "new sides of the characters" and forgive some of their faults compared to the old ones. I have to say I haven't read the novel so fortunately I don't have to compare this film to the book. Fortunately, because the book usually overcomes the movie versions. Because of my illiterate manners, I cannot compare this film to the original novel, and again, cannot say how much this one is more or less true to the novel than Laine's film. Therefore, I can only compare these two films. This version has its strengths. It is in some ways more realistic and brings out the characters more than Laine's version, which is almost like an action movie because of its fast pace and light atmosphere. But sometimes Mollbergs Unknown is almost too dark and grim to believe. This is a nice film but it doesn't compare to the first one, which, unfortunately for this film, is a legend. However, Mollberg's Unknown couldn't make it without Laine's version, because to me, it could not stand alone without the legendary memories experienced with the scenes in the first one. Mollberg's Unknown adds something to the "one and only" but that's all there is to it. I first and foremost recommend Laine's Unknown and after that, if you have some extra four hours on your hands, take a look at this Mollberg's view.
    9Shaolin_Apu

    The antithesis

    Rauni Mollberg's (from now on referred to as 'Molle') Tuntematon Sotilas has been left far behind in fame to its predecessor, that of Edwin Laine's Tuntematon Sotilas from 1955. This is not surprising as the newer movie lacks the sentiment that is almost omnipresent in the older version. Despite this, is Molle's version more faithful to the original novel by Väinö Linna who was himself involved in making of the new version. Both movies however deserve their place, in Edwin Laine's time there was a need for high national epic but as the times changed a new version was also welcome and maybe even in demand.

    Molle's version deserves perhaps more praise and attention than it has been used to have, but also criticism. The newer version is no way meant to be 'a better' version but rather an alternative account of the psychological reality of a man. Therefore I call it an antithesis, it is impossible to see the newer version without comparing it to the all too familiar older version. You actually need to watch the film several times before it really opens to you in the way Molle had intended it. Tuntematon Sotilas is a war film, but the highlight is upon the people who fought in there, both Finns and Russians, who are brought to suffer the very same meat-grinder. Parts of it are funny, parts of it are disgusting.

    What is left to a lesser notion is historicity, the weapons and uniforms are from the second world war but you should not expect them to appear in correct order. For the weapon freaks be it informed that the same KV-1's appear as both Finnish and Soviet tanks. For those who already know everything that has been written about the Continuation War this movie does not offer any historical references, this time it is all literature from the ground view. Nevertheless this is one of the best war films there is, perhaps there is a conscious focus and perhaps there is some message, but the weight of the overall work will just make you silent.

    If you are going to see this film, make sure you are watching a quality copy. Many dark scenes have become incomprehensible in poor quality VHS transfers. The darkness is essential visual effect in Molle's version.
    figaro8

    Different politics from the Edvin Laine version

    I'm writing this 19 years after I saw Mollberg's Unknown Soldier in Helsinki's Bristol Theatre. However, seeing the original 1955 film somewhat recently, and being comparative to the Väinö Linna historical novel, it raised memories of that 1985 rendition. Mollberg certainly made a far superior film as far as cinematography and aesthetic realism is concerned. He used a familiar technique of confusion in combat by utilizing the cameraman on foot, and running. Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan had these effects in 1998, but I'm not insinuating that Rauni Mollberg invented it. Perhaps Elem Klimov in "Come and See" (Soviet Union, 1985) had these stylistic effects. That USSR film, in my opinion, is the most anti-war film ever made. As far as Finnish war films, I would recommend "Talvisota" (Winter War)(1989), and "Täällä Pohjantähdenalla" (Here Under the North Star)(1968), with a sequel in 1971 titled "Akseli ja Elina". These last three are indicative of the tragedy of the Finnish Civil War, and WW2, and how they affected not only a family, but various social classes of society in Finland. This phenomenon of class hatred exists today in Finland.

    Rauni Mollberg's 1985 version of the Unknown Soldier also included this biased left-wing attitude towards the soldiers, but especially officers of the Russo-Finnish wars. Essentially, in the theatre and film world of 1970's and 1980's Finland, one had to be the figurative "Communist." Fortunately that has changed since, at least a bit.

    Having rambled, "Unknown Soldier" (1985) and the aforementioned film reviews, really only interest certain film historians, as well as historians of Soviet-Finnish politics. I hope that I gave you some insight.

    Respectfully, Timppa

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    • Anecdotes
      To make the film look more realistic Rauni Mollberg wanted it be shot entirely with a hand-held camera. That was a style familiar from Mollberg's previous films.
    • Citations

      Corporal: Here you don't smile! If someone can afford to smile in his civilian life, he must remember that here it is not allowed to neigh like a horse!

    • Versions alternatives
      The TV version of the movie is more than 30 minutes longer, with a running time of nearly four hours.
    • Connexions
      Featured in Molle: Ohjaajamuotokuva akateemikko Rauni Mollbergista (1991)
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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 6 décembre 1985 (Finlande)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Finlande
    • Langues
      • Finnois
      • Russe
      • Allemand
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • Soldats inconnus
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Fortress, Lappeenranta, Finlande(Petrozavodsk)
    • Société de production
      • Arctic-Filmi
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    • Budget
      • 14 000 000 FIM (estimé)
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    • Durée
      • 3h 17min(197 min)
    • Mixage
      • Dolby Stereo
    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.66 : 1

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