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Ce lieu sans limites

Titre original : El lugar sin límites
  • 1978
  • Not Rated
  • 1h 50min
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7,5/10
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Ce lieu sans limites (1978)
Drama

Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueFamily honor, greed, machismo, homophobia, and the dreams of whores collide in a Mexican town. Rich, elderly Don Alejo is poised to sell the town for a profit, needing only to buy a whorehou... Tout lireFamily honor, greed, machismo, homophobia, and the dreams of whores collide in a Mexican town. Rich, elderly Don Alejo is poised to sell the town for a profit, needing only to buy a whorehouse to own all the buildings and close the deal. It's owned by a man and his daughter: Manu... Tout lireFamily honor, greed, machismo, homophobia, and the dreams of whores collide in a Mexican town. Rich, elderly Don Alejo is poised to sell the town for a profit, needing only to buy a whorehouse to own all the buildings and close the deal. It's owned by a man and his daughter: Manuelita is gay, aging, afraid; he cross-dresses and entertains as a flamenco dancer; he want... Tout lire

  • Réalisation
    • Arturo Ripstein
  • Scénario
    • José Donoso
    • José Emilio Pacheco
    • Manuel Puig
  • Casting principal
    • Roberto Cobo
    • Fernando Soler
    • Lucha Villa
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  • NOTE IMDb
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    1,8 k
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    • Réalisation
      • Arturo Ripstein
    • Scénario
      • José Donoso
      • José Emilio Pacheco
      • Manuel Puig
    • Casting principal
      • Roberto Cobo
      • Fernando Soler
      • Lucha Villa
    • 9avis d'utilisateurs
    • 7avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
    • Récompenses
      • 8 victoires et 4 nominations au total

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    Rôles principaux30

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    Roberto Cobo
    Roberto Cobo
    • La Manuela
    Fernando Soler
    Fernando Soler
    • Don Alejo Cruz
    Lucha Villa
    Lucha Villa
    • La Japonesa
    Ana Martín
    Ana Martín
    • Japonesita
    Gonzalo Vega
    Gonzalo Vega
    • Pancho
    Julián Pastor
    • Octavio (Tavo)
    Carmen Salinas
    Carmen Salinas
    • Lucy
    Emma Roldán
    Emma Roldán
    • Ludovinia
    Blanca Torres
    • Doña Blanca
    Marta Aura
    Marta Aura
    • Emma (hermana de Octavio)
    • (as Martha Aura)
    Agustín Silva
    • Reynaldo
    Socorro de la Campa
    • Nelly (Prostituta)
    Francisco Llopis
    • Cliente anciano
    • (as Paco Llopis)
    Hortensia Santoveña
    Hortensia Santoveña
    • Clotilde
    Nery Ruiz
    • Lila
    María Teresa Olmedo
    • Rosita (Prostituta)
    • (as Tere Olmedo)
    Hermanas Gómez
    • Hermanas Farias
    • (as Hnas. Gomez)
    Cecilia Leger
    • Lupe (criada)
    • Réalisation
      • Arturo Ripstein
    • Scénario
      • José Donoso
      • José Emilio Pacheco
      • Manuel Puig
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    • Production, box office et plus encore chez IMDbPro

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    8Barbouzes

    a slow but hot burn where everything matters

    I had seen other Arturo Ripstein films before this one: you can say Ripstein films are unusual in their scripts and some might say downright weird in the treatment of their themes, but they are always hypnotic to watch. Their plot is often, well, a train wreck: you feel the tension and you know nothing will end well.( Tennessee Williams plays function within a similar mix of explosive passions and imminent doom). Everything in a Ripstein film is baroque: dialogues, themes and colors. This movie is all that, and more, because it introduces us to a rich cast of characters in a restricted setting, and there are significant political undertones to the tale. But the most fascinating part of this film is of course this gentle transvestite who never once drops the pretense that he is a woman, in public or in private ( The actor who plays him/her is AMAZING, and remarkably believable against all odds.) I think it is a solid story -with a great soundtrack of old Mexican songs- that has a lot to say about machismo and the plight of women in a society that values only male "qualities".
    6gavin6942

    An Unusual Film

    Family honor, greed, machismo, homophobia, and the dreams of whores collide in a Mexican town. Rich, elderly Don Alejo is poised to sell the town for a profit, needing only to buy a whorehouse to own all the buildings and close the deal.

    The themes of this film are quite interesting, and in someways ahead of their time. We have a very blunt look at homosexuality in 1978, and based on a book from 1966. And, in a way, it is something of a multi-cultural film because the author, José Donoso, wrote the book in Chile but was later a resident of Mexico, Spain and Iowa -- his personal papers are in the University of Iowa archives.

    I am not sure if a good edition exists. The one I saw was a bit rough, and this is the sort of film that could really use a new audience and some love from Criterion.
    7ricardojorgeramalho

    Mariachis and Drag Queens

    This is an unusual film. Above all because it was made in Mexico and in 1978, at a time when Fassbinder was still shocking Europe with the amoral way in which he treated sexuality in his films. It seems to have exerted a strong influence on this Mexican film.

    The work is interesting not only for the courage, for the time, to approach the gay theme, but above all for the approach of the psychological repression resulting from machismo.

    This not only prevented homosexuals from assuming their sexual orientation, but also pushed them towards a path of violence, against themselves and against those who, by assuming their homosexuality, revived the demons of their repressed sexuality.

    An amazing film.
    cyn_duncan

    brilliant!

    Considering that this film was made in 1978 when no one - especially no one in Mexico - was making films about gay men, this film is remarkable for the way it presents a critique of macho culture. La Manuela, played brilliantly by Roberto Cobo, doesn't want to be a man because she doesn't want to be a "bruto," an animal. Pancho and his brother in law, Octavio, represent everything that's wrong with Mexican men. They are obsessed with appearing "manly" in the eyes of the world. They treat women like objects, they are violent, and they like to control other people. Pancho is especially pathetic because he is obviously attracted to la Manuela but can't admit it. On the other hand, la Manuela is very honest and open about who she is and what she wants. She doesn't care if people make fun of her and call her names. She is kind, supportive, and in decisive moments, brave. In case you're thinking this is a male-bashing film, it's not. Don Alejo, the aging cacique (boss) of the town is an old fashioned patriarch who has his flaws, but he is not threatened by men like la Manuela. He doesn't pass judgment on people and he recognizes wrongdoing when he sees it. He suggests that there are other ways to be a man in Mexico, and that people like Pancho and Octavio are threats to society. The relationship between la Manuela and her daughter, Japonesita, is sweet and touching, like the mother and daughter roles in a 1940s melodrama, but with a modern twist! Although la Manuela sometimes acts campy and parodies female behavior, it is clearly just part of the spectacle or show. When she's not on stage, she's down to earth and practical, like any of the other "girls" who work in the brothel. This film shows the seamy side of life in a small town, but ultimately suggests that the people who live and work in the brothel are more honest and sincere than those who belong to the so-called "respectable" outside world. Roberto Cobo is perfect in the role because he's not beautiful or feminine looking, but he knows how to seduce with words and gestures. The final "dance of the kiss" is hypnotic, and it's easy to forget that he's not a "real" woman as he dances for Pancho. Running like a thread through the whole film is a commentary about how life in Mexico is changing and how small town life is disappearing. It's a great film, well worth seeing, the best film coming out of Mexico in the 1970s, without a doubt.
    3ockiemilkwood

    This flm most definitely has limits

    Unbelievably shoddy. Slow: Tells, not shows, with endless dialogue, much of it plot exposition of the past. Characters are caricatures, flat and two-dimensional. A flashback comes unannounced, indistinguishable from the present. The murder, when it arrives, has been broadcast from the beginning, robbing it of all suspense.

    Director Ripstein tries too hard to be "transgressive," a bad boy. Film revels in grit and grime for the sake of grit and grime - it's too cult. His comparison to Marlowe's Faustus, made in the inscription at the beginning, is a stretch and pretentious, to say the least. The title derives from this.

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    • Anecdotes
      The film was selected by Mexico as its entry for the Best Foreign Language Film at the 51st Academy Awards.
    • Connexions
      Referenced in El Narco (2010)
    • Bandes originales
      Falsaria
      Performed by Pepe Arévalo y sus Mulatos

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    Détails

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    • Date de sortie
      • 23 mars 1994 (France)
    • Pays d’origine
      • Mexique
    • Langue
      • Espagnol
    • Aussi connu sous le nom de
      • The Place Without Limits
    • Lieux de tournage
      • Rio Bordo Blanco, Querétaro, Mexique
    • Société de production
      • Conacite Dos
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    • Durée
      1 heure 50 minutes
    • Mixage
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    • Rapport de forme
      • 1.85 : 1

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