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Pas de larmes pour Joy

Titre original : Poor Cow
  • 1967
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  • 1h 41min
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Terence Stamp and Carol White in Pas de larmes pour Joy (1967)
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Ajouter une intrigue dans votre langueA young woman lives a life full of bad choices. At a young age she has a baby by an abusive thief who quickly lands in prison. When her son goes missing, she gets to grips with what is most ... Tout lireA young woman lives a life full of bad choices. At a young age she has a baby by an abusive thief who quickly lands in prison. When her son goes missing, she gets to grips with what is most important to her.A young woman lives a life full of bad choices. At a young age she has a baby by an abusive thief who quickly lands in prison. When her son goes missing, she gets to grips with what is most important to her.

  • Réalisation
    • Ken Loach
  • Scénario
    • Nell Dunn
    • Ken Loach
  • Casting principal
    • Terence Stamp
    • Carol White
    • John Bindon
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  • NOTE IMDb
    6,8/10
    2,2 k
    MA NOTE
    • Réalisation
      • Ken Loach
    • Scénario
      • Nell Dunn
      • Ken Loach
    • Casting principal
      • Terence Stamp
      • Carol White
      • John Bindon
    • 36avis d'utilisateurs
    • 18avis des critiques
  • Voir les informations de production sur IMDbPro
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    • Récompenses
      • 2 victoires et 2 nominations au total

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    Rôles principaux55

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    Terence Stamp
    Terence Stamp
    • David 'Dave' Fuller
    Carol White
    Carol White
    • Joy
    John Bindon
    John Bindon
    • Tom
    Queenie Watts
    • Aunt Emm
    Kate Williams
    Kate Williams
    • Beryl
    Laurie Asprey
    James Beckett
    James Beckett
    • Tom's Mate
    Ray Barron
    • Customer in Pub
    Hilda Barry
    • Customer in Pub
    Ken Campbell
    • Mr. Jacks
    • (as Kenneth Campbell)
    Ronald Clarke
      Ellis Dale
      • Solicitor
      Gladys Dawson
      • Bet
      Terry Duggan
      • 2nd Prisoner
      Winnie Holman
      • Woman in Park
      Rose Hiller
      • Customer in Hairdresser's
      John Halstead
      • Photographer
      Doreen Herrington
      • Réalisation
        • Ken Loach
      • Scénario
        • Nell Dunn
        • Ken Loach
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      Avis des utilisateurs36

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      6Lejink

      The other side of the swinging 60's

      You know what to expect when the first scene in Ken Loach's "Poor Cow" is a graphic image of Carol White's character giving birth to her son, although for my taste this was taking documentary realism to extremes. For the remainder of the film we follow White's progress, if that's the right word, for the next few years as she lives a mostly tawdry life on the edge of both poverty and legality, interacting with a mostly dubious set of individuals in not-so-swinging London in the mid-60's.

      The narrative is somewhat awkwardly interspersed with chapter plates, presumably written by White, although these don't actually aid the structure of the piece as the film progresses pretty much on a tangential basis although as an insight into her character's naive optimism and childlike simplicity, they may serve some purpose.

      Loach's soon to be trademark fly-on-the-wall camera-work is never still, long-shots, extreme close-ups, walking shots, tracking shots all to convince us like his acclaimed TV documentary "Cathy Come Home", of the previous year (with the same actress in the lead) of the veracity of his subject, stripping away all cinematic artifice. In this he succeeds, inviting no pity for her, only portraying her making do and working with what she has, with little prospect of escape.

      Of course this unremittingly bleak outlook can be overbearing and cold and there are many scenes where he could and should have called "Cut!" earlier, but as an insight into the working class of supposedly affluent Britain, it's important to hold up a mirror to society as he does here.

      In the final scenes, when White is reunited with her temporarily lost child, we are brought full-circle to that shocking opening scene as he reminds us that family love is perhaps the only true love. Whether it will be enough of a basis for White to break out and make a life for herself and her son is debatable so that some sort of a sequel might have been interesting to consider.

      The cast is an interesting one with Terence Stamp demonstrating his range as the crook who White falls for and who shows her a kind of loving, even as the film makes clear in the only stagy scene in the film, his courtroom trial, that there are no victimless crimes. As in "Cathy Come Home", White holds the viewer's attention with her disarming honesty, vulnerability and spirit. Interesting to see the notorious John Pindin in a prominent role too.

      You don't watch a Loach film for comfortable viewing but as an agent-provocateur, turning over stones most would step over, he's an important director in British cinema.
      7richardchatten

      Never Marry a Thief

      Beginning with an eye-watering sequence depicting the birth of Carol White's baby boy. Thanks to director 'Kenneth' (as he was then billed) Loach's restless camerawork (punctuated by Godardian captions) the sixties here sways rather than swings in a film that manages to encompass nearly a century of British film history through the presence in the same picture of both Wally Patch and Malcolm MacDowall (not to mention future sitcom stars Kate Williams and Anna Karen); and it's apt that over thirty years later scenes from this of the young and saturnine Terence Stamp strumming his guitar were employed as flashbacks in 'The Limey' (1999).

      Although it didn't seem like it at the time, we're now nearly twice as far from the sixties as the sixties were from the thirties. Life at the bottom of the heap remains as bleak in the twenty-first century as ever, and continues (doubtless to no one's regret more than Loach himself) to provide him with plenty of material. In his eighties he doesn't seem able to retire just yet.
      GrahamEngland

      The Dark Side Of 'Swinging London'.

      Swinging London of myth, was for most at the time, a fantasy. It involved a small number of people, in a small area of the city, for a short time. But as many of those who were of this group, went on and maintained long careers in film, TV, Arts and literature/journalism, it's effect and scope was and has been much magnified.

      Trust Ken Loach (who else?) to shine a light in the London of the mid/late 60's' for many people, was the reality. Not just the criminal element either.

      Loach after all had form here, with his groundbreaking TV plays such a 'Up The Junction' and 'Cathy Come Home'. Showing the darker side of London that was then, still, an industrial city in parts.

      Carol White, as lead Joy, had also been in those Loach films, she was a working class Julie Christie and carried off the role of this troubled young woman with aplomb.

      White really was a fine actress, sadly like the roles which made her famous with Loach, the real woman was as troubled. Not due to poverty, a different kind of trouble, the numerous affairs, the decline in her career, to die from alcohol abuse at just 48 far from her London roots. It does change you way you view Poor Cow with this knowledge.

      Terence Stamp as Dave is excellent - though such was his stardom by then he would turn up for filming in a Rolls Royce! The notorious John Blindon (surely the most stark example of Loach's use of 'real' people who often had the same lives as they acted on screen), struggles as an actor in his first role, though again, with the knowledge of the real Blindon this is less noticeable.

      The Loach 60's standards of lots of sequences of real life, lots of cameo characters, loose plotting, are much in evidence.

      This is not a film for everyone, if you think you'll see another classic British gangster film, you'll be disappointed. But this was a radical, daring, atmospheric film, more of historic interest than greatly entertaining, worth a look.
      7cooked

      Social reflection

      Not a film of entertainment, but of real lives & limited ambition for the working class in 60's. Enjoyable because of my upbringing, not sure it'd work for most people. Typical Loach. Full of TV actors/actresses of 70's/80's/90's.
      9craigjohn-1

      Set in 60's London. Working class girl's desperate voyage through relationships

      One of the best of the 'kitchen-sinks'. Fantastic views of London and invaluable snippets of working class life of the 60's. Loach's eye seems to capture everything, yet makes no judgment - a taste of things to come. As with 'Kes', 'Riff-raff' and 'Sweet Sixteen', it serves as a cinematic social history of Britain. Carol White is completely convincing, you love her, fancy her, want to take care of her, but hold your head at her self-destructive decisions and still follow her in some vain hope. Well backed up by Terence Stamp, ( fresh off 'The collector', also catch 'The Hit' ) and a plethora of English faces ( all looking very young ). Pefectly set to Donovan's dulcet tones. Stamp sings 'Yellow is the color', in a lovely scene, ending with him saying, " Getting better, ain't I " ( song also used in 'The rules of Attraction' - I think ) Watch Carol Whites screen mum getting ready to 'go out and get a bloke', putting on her false eye-lashes to the sound of 'Rosie' on the radio - priceless. A treasure for anyone who was around at the time and a reminder of how good life is now in England. Incidentally Soderburgh used clips from 'Poor cow' in 'The Limey'.

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      • Anecdotes
        According to Terence Stamp, the film was mostly improvised and first takes were always used. Two cameras filmed simultaneously to capture the spontaneity of the performances.
      • Gaffes
        The apostrophe is missing from the caption "At Aunt Emms.".
      • Citations

        Joy: Yeah, don't forget to get me some nice sovereigns, gold ones.

        Dave: Oh, I'll try love. You know, not always made to order.

      • Versions alternatives
        The BBFC website states that the original version had some sex references that were cut before its release in the 1960s. http://www.bbfc.co.uk/education-resources/student-guide/bbfc-history/1960s
      • Connexions
        Edited into L'Anglais (1999)
      • Bandes originales
        Be Not Too Hard
        Music by Donovan and Lyrics by Christopher Logue

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      • How long is Poor Cow?Alimenté par Alexa

      Détails

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      • Date de sortie
        • 16 juin 1969 (France)
      • Pays d’origine
        • Royaume-Uni
      • Langue
        • Anglais
      • Aussi connu sous le nom de
        • Pobre vaca
      • Lieux de tournage
        • Fulham Broadway Underground Railway Station, Fulham Broadway, London, Greater London, Angleterre, Royaume-Uni(cafe interior opening credit sequence)
      • Sociétés de production
        • Vic Films Productions
        • Fenchurch
        • The National Film Finance Corp.
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      • Montant brut mondial
        • 15 709 $US
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      • Durée
        1 heure 41 minutes
      • Mixage
        • Mono
      • Rapport de forme
        • 1.66 : 1

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